1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean their organization in general is a dumpster fire. That said murray has been mediocre to even bad this year when he plays. Frankly Murray’s record is not very good either outside of 2021. Imo he’s overrated and they aren’t winning anything with him either. I said this all the way back in 2020, I would take Jalen hurts over Kyler Murray in 2020. Not because I thought hurts

would turn into the player he did. But at least know Jalen hurts is going to work really hard and maximize whatever talent he had. I think Kyler Murray for a while now has just lived off the fact he was a former no. 1 pick and athletically gifted. The issue is I just don’t think he’s ever gonna be more than a guy who’s got arm talented/athleticism but doesn’t mentally strive to maximize his talent. I’m not the only one who thinks this. I still have a friend who’s covered the cardinals (and now on suns beat/reporting) who said previous regime was over murray by th end. Add he’s holding back McBride and MHJ. the performances of Harrison Jr and McBride is significantly better without Murray.

They should trade him this offseason. Cash out on a desperate team needing a Qb and then replace him. The foot injury where at its 4-8 weeks and re-injuring it was high until it was fully healed is kind of BS. They would’ve put him on IR a couple weeks back if that were the case. They didn’t. Just brissett has played better than Murray

Maybe - but 1-17 isn’t a fluke. It’s the old "would you rather have a QB pass for 300 yards and lose or have one pass for 200 yards and win.”

Until they start winning with Brissett all his 300 yard games are exactly that - losing performances.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

You know better than to get hopeful for the Sixers.

Nah - I’ve been watching them for almost 30 years - they’re a much different team this year - it almost pops off the screen.

40 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Are you suggesting that Kyler Murray, who is 16 and 25 as a starter since AJ Brown joined the Eagles, is the answer for them and they should not go with the guy who just played well?

Is Brissett at 1-2 responsible for the other 15 losses?

Murray has 1 winning season in 7 tries, should they give him 14 more to get 2 more winning seasons?

I’m not saying anything other than they’re worse without Murray - 1-17 isn’t a fluke.

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You can blame me. I turned the Flyers game on and it was 3-0. They are now down 4-3. Awesome.

I think the abols comment about the ref being an ahl ref is coming back to bite them

I'm not defending the Browns here, but it is a tricky initiative to be deadline sellers, much more so in the NFL than in other sports.

That's a decision that needs to come from the owner, even more than the GM. You can't start selling and harvesting organs without permission from the tippy top. And most teams in sell most have a lot of people (players, FO personnel, coaches) who know they are going to get fired in the offseason and are either working for their jobs or to market themselves for the next one. Selling off players you drafted highly at a fraction of the price is a major pride swallow (unless, of course, you didn't draft them).

The Jets took it too far. They'v got a 25 year old best DB in the nfl. If you are so far out on the horizon that Gardner can't be a building block for you, then you might as well start trading for 2030 draft picks instead of next year. There's tanking and accumulating assets, and then there's taking the roster to the point that your next draft class will probably be doomed to fail by being surrounded by horrible players and such a losing culture.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

have one pass for 200 yards and win

I'll take this all day long, I just want know how that's possible.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I disagree with that. McKee made it more of a pressing matter but I think they were always going to have a third QB on the roster. It doesn’t make sense not to with the emergency QB rule.

McKee only missed one game. They could have just signed a guy after cuts to get through the first game. Making a trade for Howell showed they wanted a long term upgrade.

I think there was always forward thinking with the Howell trade. Sure he was only going to be the third quarterback this year, other than the first couple games where McKee couldn’t play. But I think Howie was looking to the future when it would be unfortunately necessary to watch McKee go elsewhere. Howell is the heir apparent backup. Well worth the cost of the deal, in my opinion. Even if he doesn’t play a snap this year.

Murray is a definite possibility as a backup eagle QB in the not too distant future, so be careful how much you hate.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Murray is a definite possibility as a backup eagle QB in the not too distant future, so be careful how much you hate.

Just now, Joe Ball said:

I'll take this all day long, I just want know how that's possible.

The Eagles do it 4-5 games a year and get to (and win) Super Bowls.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Maybe - but 1-17 isn’t a fluke. It’s the old "would you rather have a QB pass for 300 yards and lose or have one pass for 200 yards and win.”

Until they start winning with Brissett all his 300 yard games are exactly that - losing performances.

What have the Cardinals won with Kyler Murray? They are 38-48-1 in his career. They have 1 winning season with him in 7 years. They’ve won 0 playoff games. He’s also very injury prone. In the last 5 years he’s missed 22 of 77 games . add on been multiple reports he’s not nearly dedicated enough. Heck reports of his contract they had to put bonus’ in for him studying. Also he is stunting the growth of young guys in this offense.

How many years is Murray going to get to win a playoff game. This is year 7 without one. And he’s now missing chunks of seasons outside of 2024 over the last 5 years. He hasn’t had a Qb rating over 95 in 4 years.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What have the Cardinals won with Kyler Murray? They are 38-48-1 in his career. They have 1 winning season with him in 7 years. They’ve won 0 playoff games. He’s also very injury prone. In the last 5 years he’s missed 22 of 77 games . add on been multiple reports he’s not nearly dedicated enough. Heck reports of his contract they had to put bonus’ in for him studying. Also he is stunting the growth of young guys in this offense.

How many years is Murray going to get to win a playoff game. This is year 7 without one. And he’s now missing chunks of seasons outside of 2024 over the last 5 years. He hasn’t had a Qb rating over 95 in 4 years.

I’m not defending Murray - all I said is that they’re obviously worse (1-17) without him.

Rebuilds are pretty quick in the NFL. Trading away a young elite CB doesn't make much sense to me. Only defense is that the Jets realize they're probably going to continue in this cycle unless they get a QB, so they're going to stockpile as many high picks as possible to position themselves to get one.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The Eagles do it 4-5 games a year and get to (and win) Super Bowls.

🤣 I was thinking 1-1 passing for 200 yards

27 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Negadelphinas are a special bunch. Hurts is playing too well to be your punching bag so now its time for Howie.

How did you spend the greatest era in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles?

Oh. I mostly complained about Hurts and Howie. Hurts was almost never perfect unlike the way other QBs play in my delusions. Howie did not destroy the cap so I could feel good about the off season.

The guys in the HoF? The guys who won 3 rings in 5 years?

Yeah, I was deeply offended that the 6th round draft pick QB failed and he gave up 2 picks for a RB who had 100+ rushing yards at 10+ a pop in a game. He also traded for Fred.

The guy who was a 5x better improvement over Pryor? The guy who became the blocking TE on power sets?

Yeah, well he was good, but I'm not really an Eagles fan. I'm more of an Isaiah Rodgers, Milton Williams, and Josh Sweat fan. I'm really digging Josh Jobe now too.

Williams at 24m a year after 3 sacks in 2024? Sweat who was a well paid mediocrity at 19m a year? Rodgers who was pathetically grabbing at DeVonta's jersey as he went 80+ for a TD?

Yeah, I live in an alternate reality where I build the roster and Howie ruins my dreams by being the best GM in football. Oh yeah, Sweat had a couple sacks vs Dallas so that invalidates Super Bowl wins by Howie.

No one is complaining about Howie. JC. Can we stop this hyperbole?

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Clayton Thorson

Hated that pick. He was such a bum

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I’m not defending Murray - all I said is that they’re obviously worse (1-17) without him.

They are 1-17 cause their backups over the years have been significantly worse than brissett (McCoy in 2022 at 36 was done). In 2021 mccoy went 2-1 as the backup. In 2022 colt McCoy at 36 years old, trace mcsorely and David blough (1-5). In 2023, dobbs and tune (1-8). Dobbs is not as good as brissett. brissett for his career is overall more consistent. 2024 didn’t miss time. Now got Brissett at 1-2. Whoever came up with that stat is actually wrong according to pro football reference. They are 3-15 in their last 18 without Murray since 2022.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

shocking!

Moro wants his name pronounced Oh-Joe-Moe

👀👀🚨🚨🚨

Thank God... inevitably I will have to say his name out loud to people and I wasn't gonna do the uhjuhmuh

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

No one is complaining about Howie. JC. Can we stop this hyperbole?

In a late turn of events at the trade deadline DAL trades Jerruh and a bag of cash for Howie, Lurie needed some money for an enclosed stadium. 😀.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No one is complaining about Howie. JC. Can we stop this hyperbole?

Spike Eskin says Morey is a better GM

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Rebuilds are pretty quick in the NFL. Trading away a young elite CB doesn't make much sense to me. Only defense is that the Jets realize they're probably going to continue in this cycle unless they get a QB, so they're going to stockpile as many high picks as possible to position themselves to get one.

Couple things, I think the Jets are banking on the fact that Daniel Jones is not gonna play at this level all year and even next year. And if he comes crashing down, those first round picks are gonna be higher so they can potentially get the quarterback like you said.

Secondly, I understand trading Williams. He went to them multiple times asking to be traded. Then asked to rework his contract. Not extend him, because he didn’t want to be extended, but rework his contract. So he was eventually leaving anyways. So if somebody like Dallas was gonna overpay you for him, then you should capitalize on that.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are 1-17 cause their backups over the years have been significantly worse than brissett (McCoy in 2022 at 36 was done). In 2021 mccoy went 2-1 as the backup. In 2022 colt McCoy at 36 years old, trace mcsorely and David blough (1-5). In 2023, dobbs and tune (1-8). Dobbs is not as good as brissett. brissett for his career is . 2024 didn’t miss time. Now got Brissett at 1-2. Whoever came up with that stat is actually wrong according to pro football reference. They are 3-15 in their last 18 without Murray since 2022.

I’m not going to argue with you because you live there and know much more about the Cardinals than I do. I’m only going by stats and a handful of games I’ve seen Murray play in.

And I’m also biased because he’s on my fantasy team and now I need to go out and find another QB.

11 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Rebuilds are pretty quick in the NFL. Trading away a young elite CB doesn't make much sense to me. Only defense is that the Jets realize they're probably going to continue in this cycle unless they get a QB, so they're going to stockpile as many high picks as possible to position themselves to get one.

It’s been close to 35 years since the eagles have last been in the realm the jets are in. Time Machine us back to 1996 and the eagles had Q, dejawn and or Carter and get the sauce or qw offer for any of them and I’d have stolen my parents car and taken them to the airport myself.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Spike Eskin says Morey is a better GM

Then he’s an idiot. But I don’t disagree with his take that Howie THIS YEAR hasn’t had a great year (using information available thus far). The timing for sure is suspect but the opinion is so far valid.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m not going to argue with you because you live there and know much more about the Cardinals than I do. I’m only going by stats and a handful of games I’ve seen Murray play in.

And I’m also biased because he’s on my fantasy team and now I need to go out and find another QB.

Watching enough Cardinals games because I’ve lived out here, some of his stats are kind of like Kirk cousins. hallow as they came in a position where they weren’t winning and padding. I felt like this for a while with him, if he had the drive and intangibles that Jalen hurts has with the talent he has in his arm/athleticism he would be a top 10 quarterback, probably even top five as that’s why they drafted him at 1. that’s how much arm talent and athleticism he has. It’s everything else. Why the running joke is his stats drop once call of duty comes out

The other issue he’s had in his career as he always starts off-season‘s well and as the season goes on he tends to get more banged up. He begins to drop off. Some of i think is they run him into the ground and the other he gets beat up.