Or he could just be more safe when he runs. Go out of bounds. Slide feet first and not late

There are steps to protect yourself

49 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Hurts was doing that at the time though. The team was running more RPOs which was keeping the LBs on their heels for an extra millisecond. It was when the media said "How do you defense this offense? You just can’t”

The team went away from that though. Cause, you know, it worked and stuff.

The LBs can sit on the RPO pass to a degree, as the lineman aren't allowed to go more than 1yd downfield. This also allows the LB to be better positioned to scrape after the QB run. The re-emphasis of this rule by the league has made a dramatic impact on RPOs and upon the QBs who come out of college proficient in it but little else.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Or he could just be more safe when he runs. Go out of bounds. Slide feet first and not late

There are steps to protect yourself

Have you seen our OL this year?

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Have you seen our OL this year?

Your point?

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The LBs can sit on the RPO pass to a degree, as the lineman aren't allowed to go more than 1yd downfield. This also allows the LB to be better positioned to scrape after the QB run. The re-emphasis of this rule by the league has made a dramatic impact on RPOs and upon the QBs who come out of college proficient in it but little else.

Yeah I said RPO but I meant read option. They used to be great at it and it really helps open huge holes for the running back. Doesn’t even really always need to be a read option. Just having the threat behind center helps if they know it’s a real threat. Shady benefited from it and so did Westbrook befor him. When you have a dual threat QB (which the eagles almost always have) it really helps the run game.

17 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Yeah I said RPO but I meant read option. They used to be great at it and it really helps open huge holes for the running back. Doesn’t even really always need to be a read option. Just having the threat behind center helps if they know it’s a real threat. Shady benefited from it and so did Westbrook befor him. When you have a dual threat QB (which the eagles almost always have) it really helps the run game.

I don't think the RO w/Hurts really freezes the backside DE anymore, it just delays the backside LB for a tick (and that guy has the speed to run down most QBs if they pull it).

34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Your point?

It's pretty hard to be safe when there are defensive linemen in the backfield

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

So let me get the straight, he told the owner of the Eagles Jeffrey Lurie he wasn’t gonna do it anymore. But now that he’s not doing it he’s selfish cause he’s not complaining (add on he stated the offense needs to be better and fix the things so he actually still commenting on the offenses ineptitude). Or maybe he’s holding his word to the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles after he had a on the practice field meeting.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

It's pretty hard to be safe when there are defensive linemen in the backfield

I was talking about when he runs

Basically, everything the Eagles coaching staff is incapable of.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I was talking about when he runs

Me too

Most of the time he can't even make it out of bounds because there are defenders all over him.

People were making fun of his little high step last game because he tried to run and there were like 3 defenders right on him for no gain.

I don't blame him at all for asking for less runs. It's not up to him to be the leading rusher and passer. He's led the team in rushing 3 out of 12 games. That's ridiculous when we have like 8 running backs to give the ball to.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Me too

Most of the time he can't even make it out of bounds because there are defenders all over him.

People were making fun of his little high step last game because he tried to run and there were like 3 defenders right on him for no gain.

I don't blame him at all for asking for less runs. It's not up to him to be the leading rusher and passer. He's led the team in rushing 3 out of 12 games. That's ridiculous when we have like 8 running backs to give the ball to.

We typically don't run outside

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this way, he is never going to be Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady in the pocket. What made Jalen hurts the dynamic Qb he was is being a dual threat. If this is going to be minimized and continue to be more minimized over the years then the internal discussions of is he good enough with this version of himself to win a SB and is it time to go in another direction.

I respect hurts for saying I don’t wanna run as much because I’m getting hurt/injured and missing time every year. I can understand that. But this would be essentially like asking Josh Allen to minimize his legs. As great as Josh Allen is, if you minimize and begin removing that from his game then you are changing who he is. As great as Allen is, if you take that away from him i don’t think he’d be as success as he is now. Would he still be successful? Highly likely but i don’t think id say he’d accomplish what he has. That is part of his total package.

Josh Allen doesn't need a designed run game to be effective. He uses his mobility to create plays outside of structure. He is like Rodgers and Mahomes doesn't need a designed run game to be elite. They are able to use their mobility to create plays outside of structure and will run when there are opportunities. I think if Allen just stopped running it would mean they would have to replace that part of his offense with passing. For Hurts to have any kind of longevity, they do have to use him less as a designed runner. The problem is replacing that yardage in the offense. Hurts does use his mobility some to create plays outside of structure but it's not a strength of his game. Part of that is that is his limitations as a passer. He needs a good base to make throws. He has limited vision. His pocket presence is below average so he seems to move into pressure as often (more often) as he moves away from it. Part of the limitations are scheme and coaching. When routes are predictable and there are less receivers in routes, it makes defending against an extended play easier. When comparing Hurts to Allen, it's important to keep in mind how much more often Hurts runs. Allen is around 100 attempts a season whereas Hurts has been around 150. Hurts is on pace for just over 110 rushing attempts this season. He still has more rushing attempts on the season than Allen.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Josh Allen doesn't need a designed run game to be effective. He uses his mobility to create plays outside of structure. He is like Rodgers and Mahomes doesn't need a designed run game to be elite. They are able to use their mobility to create plays outside of structure and will run when there are opportunities. I think if Allen just stopped running it would mean they would have to replace that part of his offense with passing. For Hurts to have any kind of longevity, they do have to use him less as a designed runner. The problem is replacing that yardage in the offense. Hurts does use his mobility some to create plays outside of structure but it's not a strength of his game. Part of that is that is his limitations as a passer. He needs a good base to make throws. He has limited vision. His pocket presence is below average so he seems to move into pressure as often (more often) as he moves away from it. Part of the limitations are scheme and coaching. When routes are predictable and there are less receivers in routes, it makes defending against an extended play easier. When comparing Hurts to Allen, it's important to keep in mind how much more often Hurts runs. Allen is around 100 attempts a season whereas Hurts has been around 150. Hurts is on pace for just over 110 rushing attempts this season. He still has more rushing attempts on the season than Allen.

I don’t disagree with you that they need to do with Jalen hurts. But if you’re gonna tell me, Josh Allen is gonna tell the Buffalo Bills I really don’t want run all that much anymore it is an issue. He is more suited as a passer to be able to do that, but you still wouldn’t get the maximize version of Josh Allen. That’s the reality. Currently hurts is averaging 1.5 per game of called runs (19) not of tush push or scrambles.

Currently Josh Allen has 78 rushes and hurts has 84. Take out tush push and scrambles for both, I’d say Allen likely has more than 19 called runs on the year. His record breaking TD yesterday was a called run. He had 8 rushes yesterday, 3 were called runs. the case with hurts, he’s averaging 1.5 per game called runs not of the tush push or scramble variety. I would add Josh Allen because he’s a better passer they can avoid doing it as much.

That said, the bills aren’t going to take that aspect away from him. And he’s not gonna ask for it to be taken out. It’s who he is. It’s why some of the times when he runs he still takes shots that he shouldn’t take. And we’ve talked about this all the way since like 2018 that he needed to change that but he doesn’t. Because that’s who he is. You are either are true to who you are or you’re trying to be something you’re not. When you try to be something your not, then you tend to not maximize your ability. He’s also better out of structure.

I would add the bills have had more issues this year on offense than previous seasons. They’ve scored 20 points or less 4 times out of 12 games. Previous 3 years they’ve had 10 games total of that when Allen was starting Qb. So they are already over the average of 3.3 with 5 games to still play. I think they need to run him more because their wide receivers are not good enough in the passing game as they are very similar to 2000 to 2003 Philadelphia Eagles WRs. They should be calling more run plays with Allen, i think it would benefit that offense. I’m guessing Allen wouldn’t be opposed to taking it out of his repertoire if they asked him to do it

Impossibly stupid coaching.

Well it's definitely not his height that's the problem with the vision. Brees was shorter and he had 12 straight years of throwing 4k+ yds. Some even 5k

34 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Basically, everything the Eagles coaching staff is incapable of.

Hurts’ fault.

tbh i don’t think their pass blocking has been elite but it has been significantly better than run blocking. I’d add because we run routes that are predictable and well cover, some of these pressures are because we have to hold onto the ball because there’s nowhere to go. Also hurts sometimes won’t fire the trigger when he needs too.

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Impossibly stupid coaching.

Also an issue with Calcaterra out there. Odds that it’s more unlikely eagles are gonna run behind Calcaterra as a main blocker

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with you that they need to do with Jalen hurts. But if you’re gonna tell me, Josh Allen is gonna tell the Buffalo Bills I really don’t want run all that much anymore it is an issue. He is more suited as a passer to be able to do that, but you still wouldn’t get the maximize version of Josh Allen. That’s the reality. Currently hurts is averaging 1.5 per game of called runs (19) not of tush push or scrambles.

Currently Josh Allen has 78 rushes and hurts has 84. Take out tush push and scrambles for both, I’d say Allen likely has more than 19 called runs on the year. His record breaking TD yesterday was a called run. He had 8 rushes yesterday, 3 were called runs. the case with hurts, he’s averaging 1.5 per game called runs not of the tush push or scramble variety. I would add Josh Allen because he’s a better passer they can avoid doing it as much.

That said, the bills aren’t going to take that aspect away from him. And he’s not gonna ask for it to be taken out. It’s who he is. It’s why some of the times when he runs he still takes shots that he shouldn’t take. And we’ve talked about this all the way since like 2018 that he needed to change that but he doesn’t. Because that’s who he is. You are either are true to who you are or you’re trying to be something you’re not. When you try to be something your not, then you tend to not maximize your ability. He’s also better out of structure.

I would add the bills have had more issues this year on offense than previous seasons. They’ve scored 20 points or less 4 times out of 12 games. Previous 3 years they’ve had 10 games total of that when Allen was starting Qb. So they are already over the average of 3.3 with 5 games to still play. I think they need to run him more because their wide receivers are not good enough in the passing game as they are very similar to 2000 to 2003 Philadelphia Eagles WRs. They should be calling more run plays with Allen, i think it would benefit that offense. I’m guessing Allen wouldn’t be opposed to taking it out of his repertoire if they asked him to do it

I thought you said you weren't going to get into the Hurts discussion?