1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Well that's embarrassing

Also why do people feel the need to record everything and put it online? Especially crimes

Not a fan of anyone doing that.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I thought you said you weren't going to get into the Hurts discussion?

I try to stay out of it as best i can. However, that story bother me about him going to the team saying he doesn’t wanna run as much and the team just being OK with it. 19 called run plays that aren’t tush push or scrambles is an issue. He is who he is. If you’re gonna take that away from the offense/significantly reduce it then his game and the offense suffers. Essentially trying to be something you’re not. I understand why he doesn’t want to do it because he wants to have a longer career. imo I don’t think with what he needs to do to be the best version of Jalen hurts that longevity of 15-20 years is in the cards

The only analogy sports wise I could come up with that’s somewhat relatable would be Ryan Howard (assuming no Achilles injury) got his contract and then goes to the Phillies management a year or two later and says, I want to improve my average and on base percentage. So i am not going reduce swinging for the fences and just try to be more of a contact hitter/singles and doubles guy.

I think you're really going to start to see the end of CEO coaches in the NFL. There already aren't a ton of them, but you're seeing the offensive gurus shine this season and the CEOs falter. The thing about CEO coaches is you can win with them if your GM builds a great roster, you have great coordinators, or an elite QB. But if you don't have an ideal situation, you're going to struggle with them. I don't think CEO success in the NFL is sustainable. They don't elevate rosters above their talent level. So when you have an Eagles team that has a less talented roster this season, guys banged up, guys regressing, etc, you are in trouble.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

So when you have an Eagles team that has a less talented roster this season

I disagree. This roster has the same talent or more talent than last years. Injuries are worse this year than last year however but even so, this team is underperforming.

This ought to cool the Jets that Tyler Steen has been the Eagles best lineman this year. He should have been swing guard this year, with Becton starting. Becton was good under Stout and made this a good offensive line in the running game. Regardless of what he's done with Chargers, that goes down as a bad move by Howie being that the identity of team was a running team all of last year. Never made sense. Still doesn't. Killed the depth of the line as well.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I try to stay out of it as best i can. However, that story bother me about him going to the team saying he doesn’t wanna run as much and the team just being OK with it. 19 called run plays that aren’t tush push or scrambles is an issue. He is who he is. If you’re gonna take that away from the offense/significantly reduce it then his game and the offense suffers. Essentially trying to be something you’re not. I understand why he doesn’t want to do it because he wants to have a longer career. imo I don’t think with what he needs to do to be the best version of Jalen hurts that longevity of 15-20 years is in the cards

The way I read Hurts' contract, the Eagles have a decision to make on him after next season (2026). His guaranteed money is paid out at that point; If they chose to, they could likely move him after the 2026 season if there is a willing trade partner. My assumption as of right now is the Eagles will further extend him, especially if they can make another deep playoff run this season.

I'd be cautious about giving him another extension, though. Both McNabb and Vick were starting to resemble stale yogurt by about 31 years old. As often as Hurts gets dinged up, that would give me pause.

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

This ought to cool the Jets that Tyler Steen has been the Eagles best lineman this year. He should have been swing guard this year, with Becton starting. Becton was good under Stout and made this a good offensive line in the running game. Regardless of what he's done with Chargers, that goes down as a bad move by Howie being that the identity of team was a running team all of last year. Never made sense. Still doesn't. Killed the depth of the line as well.

I don't know how much Howie offered him but I suspect he'll be coming back. Hopefully at a team discount considering he sucked elsewhere

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I don't know how much Howie offered him but I suspect he'll be coming back. Hopefully at a team discount considering he sucked elsewhere

The guy literally was dying to come back here. We took the chance on him and rebuilt his game and then don't reap the benefits. Same goes for Isaiah Rodgers. Those 2 misses have hurt this team immensely. I'll go with Milton Williams being overpriced and that we couldn't sign him. But those 2 were signable. I'd say we would be 10-2, if we had both of them. No margin for error on this team anymore. Regarding injuries and having to play a near perfect game to win now against the top tier teams.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The way I read Hurts' contract, the Eagles have a decision to make on him after next season (2026). His guaranteed money is paid out at that point; If they chose to, they could likely move him after the 2026 season if there is a willing trade partner. My assumption as of right now is the Eagles will further extend him, especially if they can make another deep playoff run this season.

I'd be cautious about giving him another extension, though. Both McNabb and Vick were starting to resemble stale yogurt by about 31 years old. As often as Hurts gets dinged up, that would give me pause.

I think they would like to extend him if he was playing great football. because they could maneuver some of the money to help clear some cap space to fit other guys. However, I’m not so sure you should do that this off-season. Especially with how the offense has a look this year. I would wait until 2026 is over. Because if the offense is struggling next year, why do I want to make a big time commitment to an offense that’s had a passing game that hasn’t looked great over the past couple years and the 2024 running game was about the only thing that was truly elite/consistent over that time on offense.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with you that they need to do with Jalen hurts. But if you’re gonna tell me, Josh Allen is gonna tell the Buffalo Bills I really don’t want run all that much anymore it is an issue. He is more suited as a passer to be able to do that, but you still wouldn’t get the maximize version of Josh Allen. That’s the reality. Currently hurts is averaging 1.5 per game of called runs (19) not of tush push or scrambles.

Currently Josh Allen has 78 rushes and hurts has 84. Take out tush push and scrambles for both, I’d say Allen likely has more than 19 called runs on the year. His record breaking TD yesterday was a called run. He had 8 rushes yesterday, 3 were called runs. the case with hurts, he’s averaging 1.5 per game called runs not of the tush push or scramble variety. I would add Josh Allen because he’s a better passer they can avoid doing it as much.

That said, the bills aren’t going to take that aspect away from him. And he’s not gonna ask for it to be taken out. It’s who he is. It’s why some of the times when he runs he still takes shots that he shouldn’t take. And we’ve talked about this all the way since like 2018 that he needed to change that but he doesn’t. Because that’s who he is. He either are true to who you are or you’re trying to be something you’re not.

I would be happy if they would leave out tush pushes to have more designed runs for Hurts. I think the tush push does lead to wear and tear on Hurts.

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think you're really going to start to see the end of CEO coaches in the NFL. There already aren't a ton of them, but you're seeing the offensive gurus shine this season and the CEOs falter. The thing about CEO coaches is you can win with them if your GM builds a great roster, you have great coordinators, or an elite QB. But if you don't have an ideal situation, you're going to struggle with them. I don't think CEO success in the NFL is sustainable. They don't elevate rosters above their talent level. So when you have an Eagles team that has a less talented roster this season, guys banged up, guys regressing, etc, you are in trouble.

If/when KP fails, you replace him - if Ben Johnson runs out of ideas it's a regime change. I don't know what a CEO coach does exactly, but you get to keep that constant and cycle in 'new' ideas (sometimes).

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would be happy if they would leave out tush pushes to have more designed runs for Hurts. I think the tush push does lead to wear and tear on Hurts.

I also think it’s not as effective this year. It’s going away so I’d rather start learning how to pick up short yardage without it. Or use someone like the ravens do with mark andrews running it.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If/when KP fails, you replace him - if Ben Johnson's runs out of ideas it's a regime change. I don't know what a CEO coach does exactly, but you get to keep that constant and cycle in 'new' ideas (sometimes).

The downside to that is no continuity and also if you find a great coordinator, they're gone the next year. And the next one may not be as good. You see that here. You see that in Baltimore and what their defense turned into after Mike McDonald left. Your head guy has to be the brains behind one of the offense or defense.

37 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I disagree. This roster has the same talent or more talent than last years. Injuries are worse this year than last year however but even so, this team is underperforming.

Adoree, Brown, Ringo, Toth and Young don't sniff the field on last year's roster. And Steen should be a swing guard backup if you're doing it right. Makuba wasn't ready either. Injuries aside, a lot of downgrades in different positions which just caught up with them. Team depth is missing. And guys like Patrick Johnson shouldn't see snaps either. Booker and Kinnard would help this team. Got hardly any value for either of them.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The downside to that is no continuity and also if you find a great coordinator, they're gone the next year. And the next one may not be as good. You see that here. You see that in Baltimore and what their defense turned into after Mike McDonald left. Your head guy has to be the brains behind one of the offense or defense.

If you're losing coordinators, it means you've picked the right guys - so the CEO might get credit for that (unless that's just Howie too). Maybe it's easier to elevate coordinators from OK to good, if they just concentrate on the Xs and Os -or- HCs that do both are overtaxed... a lot of bright lights from yesteryear are looking for a job.

3 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Katz did turn it into a laughing stock- traded Moses Malone in division for nothing and in the same offseason traded the #1 overall pick to Cleveland for Roy Hinson, alienated Charles Barkley, and made them draft Shawn Bradley in '93 as the great white hope. After the '82 championship that team was systematically torn apart by Katz.

That was ineptitude, which was bad. The Process was an all-time embarrassment. Completely different, imo.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That was ineptitude, which was bad. The Process was an all-time embarrassment. Completely different, imo.

It wasn't ineptitude, it was planned. Katz tore it down because he didn't want to pay the players. Much like Braman with the Eagles.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

I think you're really going to start to see the end of CEO coaches in the NFL. There already aren't a ton of them, but you're seeing the offensive gurus shine this season and the CEOs falter. The thing about CEO coaches is you can win with them if your GM builds a great roster, you have great coordinators, or an elite QB. But if you don't have an ideal situation, you're going to struggle with them. I don't think CEO success in the NFL is sustainable. They don't elevate rosters above their talent level. So when you have an Eagles team that has a less talented roster this season, guys banged up, guys regressing, etc, you are in trouble.

I’ll play devils advocate. I like that our draft standing is usually representative of our talent level. We’re not a 6-11 roster picking at the 8-9 spot every year. The bottom out seasons have allowed us to load up on elite talent and turn things around quickly.

Also, the decision to fire and the path to improvement is usually clearer. Want Sirianni to improve in 2026? Take his power away on the offense, hire an old big money OC, load up on the OL. Doesn’t take much deliberation. If Sirianni isn’t on board? Great, end of that lifecycle and on to the next guy.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Well that's embarrassing

Also why do people feel the need to record everything and put it online? Especially crimes

Because they are proud of what they've done, which is shameful.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So let me get the straight, he told the owner of the Eagles Jeffrey Lurie he wasn’t gonna do it anymore. But now that he’s not doing it he’s selfish cause he’s not complaining (add on he stated the offense needs to be better and fix the things so he actually still commenting on the offenses ineptitude). Or maybe he’s holding his word to the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles after he had a on the practice field meeting.

Maaaannnnn stop it… 😂 you know what he’s saying. And he’s right.

I don’t remember a player I disliked more than AJ. In fact I don’t really remember a recent Eagle I disliked at all. Maybe I hated their play but they mostly seemed like decent dudes.

AJ seems like a real garbage person to me. If it wasn’t football and he was your friend he’d be one of those dudes that’s not happy when you’re succeeding unless he’s doing better than you are.

He’s also a liar. Pretending he’s only mad about the offense in general when we have him on video (on numerous occasions) causing problems on the sidelines when the team is doing great but he isn’t getting touches.

He says he isn’t T.O., and he’s right, but only because T.O. was a better player. He’s just as bad selfishly.

7 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Maaaannnnn stop it… 😂 you know what he’s saying. And he’s right.

I don’t remember a player I disliked more than AJ. In fact I don’t really remember a recent Eagle I disliked at all. Maybe I hated their play but they mostly seemed like decent dudes.

AJ seems like a real garbage person to me. If it wasn’t football and he was your friend he’d be one of those dudes that’s not happy when you’re succeeding unless he’s doing better than you are.

He’s also a liar. Pretending he’s only mad about the offense in general when we have him on video (on numerous occasions) causing problems on the sidelines when the team is doing great but he isn’t getting touches.

He says he isn’t T.O., and he’s right, but only because T.O. was a better player. He’s just as bad selfishly.

Not the end all be all, at all, but interesting to see the top 10 at each position.

Center: Cam Jurgens, 4th

Cornerback: DeJean 8th (Quinyon not top 10, lol)

Guard: Dickerson 6th

ILB: Baun 7th

Special Team Player: Ringo 10th

Tackle: Johnson 5th, Mailata 6th

That's all the Eagles in the Top 10

12 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Maaaannnnn stop it… 😂 you know what he’s saying. And he’s right.

I don’t remember a player I disliked more than AJ. In fact I don’t really remember a recent Eagle I disliked at all. Maybe I hated their play but they mostly seemed like decent dudes.

AJ seems like a real garbage person to me. If it wasn’t football and he was your friend he’d be one of those dudes that’s not happy when you’re succeeding unless he’s doing better than you are.

He’s also a liar. Pretending he’s only mad about the offense in general when we have him on video (on numerous occasions) causing problems on the sidelines when the team is doing great but he isn’t getting touches.

He says he isn’t T.O., and he’s right, but only because T.O. was a better player. He’s just as bad selfishly.

I don't know about hate but I really disliked Agholor. Though that's probably because he was drafted high so the expectation was high and he was nowhere near it