1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

The coaching staff thinks Calcaterra is a good lead blocker, won't give Tank Bigsby the ball at all, thinks running up the middle on 75% of first downs is a good idea despite the fact that it barely ever works, runs more hitch routes than a pee wee team, and doesn't have an understanding of how motion can manipulate a defense and create matchups. Yet people are still insisting it's the QB's fault that the scheme is trash. Laughable. The QB has been bad in recent weeks and needs to be better but anyone with even a slightly below average IQ can still see that this team's biggest problem on offense is the coaching and it's not even close.

Exactly. They are not benching Hurts for McKee in this circumstance, where there's so much dysfunction all around. He has been off recently, but not the whole season. Why don't we bench Mahomes while we are at it? He's been terrible some games this year. McKee has looked good against the Giants, so he must be a world beater and is next Joe Namath. You guys should listen to yourselves. He will be playing only if Hurts gets hurt. Get over it! He has earned that right and benefit of the doubt.

3 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Exactly. They are not benching Hurts for McKee in this circumstance, where there's so much dysfunction all around. He has been off recently, but not the whole season. Why don't we bench Mahomes while we are at it? He's been terrible some games this year. McKee has looked good against the Giants so he must be a world beater and is next Joe Namath. You guys should listen to yourselves. He will be playing only if Hurts gets hurt. Get over it! He has earned that right and benefit of the doubt.

Those people fail into one of two categories:

1. They are that FN dumb

2. They have a very clear agenda

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

This is where Howie shines. People questioned him extending Hurts early. One reason was Howie was getting ahead of other QBs who went on to get expensive deals. He had already managed to get out of the Wentz contract. Howie is good at leaving himself options and thinking ahead.

They can evaluate where to go after this season and next. Howie must be upset because he built a championship roster and this roster is still great and able to repeat as champions on paper. So likely they will make a change at OC this offseason and Howie/Lurie will insist on another outside experienced OC like Steichen or Moore, to get the most out of the offense. If they can win again in 2026 then there's yet another decision on that OC, does he get a HC offer or can they get an OC to stay at least 2 years?

If things go in the direction of them wanting to move on from Hurts (and perhaps him wanting to go elsewhere also) then after the 2026 season his dead money for a pre-June 1st trade is only $32m. When he traded Wentz, the dead money was $33m so around the same. There are enough teams that would be looking to improve their QB position and expect that Hurts with his experience and winning (points to keep him here as well) would help them get over the top so assuming they found a trade partner that Hurts approved of due to the no trade clause, then the dead money after 2026 won't stop him.

The issue is his replacement. That's why they should have benched Hurts in the Bears game and put in McKee to see does he provide a spark or something different? Reid once benched McNabb. QBs shouldn't be immune to benching like any other player, sometimes even great QBs just have an off day. But there are a lot of worse QBs than Hurts (when he has a good OC) and so if you're drafting a guy are you getting a bust, average or good QB? And how high are you able to pick? It's a risk. But they weigh that risk depending on how the rest of this season and next go. If they get a new OC and Hurts doesn't perform then it becomes a reality to move on after 2026. Howie doesn't want this championship roster wasted. Lurie wants a more explosive passing offense and to score points.

Salary cap wise they'll also have Lane Johnson's contract (apart from the dead money) off the books as he likely retires this year or definitely next year. Then there's AJ Brown who's dead money after 2026 if traded pre-June 1st is $43m. So you don't do both him and Hurts in the same offseason, so there's a decision. Do they want to risk a rookie QB and keep AJ Brown? Do they trade Brown and see if it works with Hurts and a new OC? A lot of football to evaluate between now and the end of next season before those decisions are made. Plus Howie has to pay the young core defensive players.

Just to be clear, the dead money from trading Jalen this offseason would be $65.7mm, not $32mm. The $32mm you are referencing is the incremental cap cost on top of his cap hit of $31.8mm in 2026 (and it's more like an incremental 34mm). Also, Hurts has a no trade clause.

We aren't trading Hurts and taking $65mm in dead money...we'd also need someone to assume the remaining $51mm in gteed money on his deal for 2026, and $22mm of 2027 guarantees on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year. And Jalen would need to agree to go there and not demand a new contract (which of course he would).

It's. Not. Friggin. Happening.

EDIT: The dead money for trading him after the 2026 season is $84 million, which is the $157.3mm in cash paid through 2026 less 73.3mm in cap charges. The 2027 guaranteed money moves to the acquiring team.

I think this team would lose to Temple right now. Their basketball team. In a game of football.

I'm saying if Temple's basketball team put on pads and played us in a game of football, I think they would win.

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

The coaching staff thinks Calcaterra is a good lead blocker, won't give Tank Bigsby the ball at all, thinks running up the middle on 75% of first downs is a good idea despite the fact that it barely ever works, runs more hitch routes than a pee wee team, and doesn't have an understanding of how motion can manipulate a defense and create matchups. Yet people are still insisting it's the QB's fault that the scheme is trash. Laughable. The QB has been bad in recent weeks and needs to be better but anyone with even a slightly below average IQ can still see that this team's biggest problem on offense is the coaching and it's not even close.

You didn't quote anyone so I don't know who you're talking about but Hurts has said the offense is the way it is because it's how he wants it. The franchise QB who makes the contract he gets does have a strong say in how it's run. That's obviously excluding the TE and RB questionables

It's possible Hurts likes hitch routes and this vanilla offense. Otherwise don't you think he'd tell them privately and they'd listen to their franchise QB?

He doesn't want to run anymore which is understandable but there's give and take with that. He could just run outside and slide early or go out of bounds

He's good at throwing to the middle but they don't do it much. So he's good but clearly not a fan of throwing to the middle

I think when it comes to the Playoffs in a do or die scenario the Eagles offense will be different looking. Hurts is a winner and loves to win. He will do any running needed that it takes to win at crunch time. If he's playing the long game and wants to stay healthy and spry, I'm good with that. What they need to do is stop using him as a battering ram with the tush push. Unnecassary beatings he takes. Put a running back or tight end (Latu perhaps) in there if you wanna run it that bad.

Still think the offense will be fine by Playoff game number 1. You're all looking in the wrong place. Need to figure out the secondary. They are gonna get eaten alive with a good QB and two good receivers as long as Brown and Jackson are back there. The offense will be irrelevant if it can't be on the field. Reminiscent of 2023. In addition, recently the defensive tackles have been getting abused against the run specifically. Talked about needing DT help and depth in here at the trade deadline.

Fran broke down some stuff on PHLY today.

Also Carter admitted after the game that he's dealing with something that has impacted his play but he's not saying what it is. Wonder if it's still the shoulder. Want to see if that's something that'll need a procedure after the season.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You didn't quote anyone so I don't know who you're talking about but Hurts has said the offense is the way it is because it's how he wants it. The franchise QB who makes the contract he gets does have a strong say in how it's run. That's obviously excluding the TE and RB questionables

It's possible Hurts likes hitch routes and this vanilla offense. Otherwise don't you think he'd tell them privately and they'd listen to their franchise QB?

He doesn't want to run anymore which is understandable but there's give and take with that. He could just run outside and slide early or go out of bounds

He's good at throwing to the middle but they don't do it much. So he's good but clearly not a fan of throwing to the middle

You fall into category number 1. Gold star for you little Johnny.

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You fall into category number 1. Gold star for you little Johnny.

Ah I see. You're one of those. Never mind. Carry on

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Ah I see. You're one of those. Never mind. Carry on

You said Hurts (not the coaches) designed the offense and it's vanilla and predictable because of him, despite the fact that it wasn't when he had a competent OC (both Steichen and Moore) and then expect to be taken seriously. Think before you post little Johnny.

Interesting phrase

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You said Hurts (not the coaches) designed the offense and it's vanilla and predictable because of him, despite the fact that it wasn't when he had a competent OC (both Steichen and Moore) and then expect to be taken seriously. Think before you post little Johnny.

Reading comprehension isn't strong for you I guess. Like I said never mind

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Reading comprehension isn't strong for you I guess. Like I said never mind

Good idea. You don't want none of this smoke little Johnny. The playground is that way, I'll be over here at the adult table where intelligent conversation takes place.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting phrase

Watch out NFL, horny Andy Reid is here

Per Bo Wulf:

Only 3 times in Jeff Lurie's tenure as owner have the Eagles finished with an objectively bad offense(not sure what he used to define bad offense, but he said EPA per play so I guess that's the metric that was used). And each of those times the head coach was fired after the season. This year is the 4th. Something to keep in mind of they collapse.

Bo, Fran, and EJ all agreed though that if this team collapses there is going to be significant change after this season. Something bigger than just adding a new OC.

38 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to be clear, the dead money from trading Jalen this offseason would be $65.7mm, not $32mm. The $32mm you are referencing is the incremental cap cost on top of his cap hit of $31.8mm in 2026 (and it's more like an incremental 34mm). Also, Hurts has a no trade clause.

We aren't trading Hurts and taking $65mm in dead money...we'd also need someone to assume the remaining $51mm in gteed money on his deal for 2026, and $22mm of 2027 guarantees on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year. And Jalen would need to agree to go there and not demand a new contract (which of course he would).

It's. Not. Friggin. Happening.

EDIT: The dead money for trading him after the 2026 season is $84 million, which is the $157.3mm in cash paid through 2026 less 73.3mm in cap charges. The 2027 guaranteed money moves to the acquiring team.

So the time is now

Well, he started out strong

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well, he started out strong

Maybe he’s evaluating what life would be like without a job

If he wants to sacrifice this season, go for it dude. It's ultimately going to cost him his job. I hope he realizes that.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

If he wants to sacrifice this season, go for it dude. It's ultimately going to cost him his job. I hope he realizes that.

He does now.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well, he started out strong

Nothing like going down with the sinking ship. He literally has no answers and/or he refuses to be honest with himself about the answers he does have.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well, he started out strong

Why don't they just have all the offensive guys swap out jerseys with each other? That way, the defense will be confused on who they should be covering.

That's my idea ....... and I think it's pretty damn good.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If he wants to sacrifice this season, go for it dude. It's ultimately going to cost him his job. I hope he realizes that.

He's a stubborn moron. I'm a little bit surprised Lurie and Howie haven't stepped in and demanded a change. They have to see what everyone else does.

46 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to be clear, the dead money from trading Jalen this offseason would be $65.7mm, not $32mm. The $32mm you are referencing is the incremental cap cost on top of his cap hit of $31.8mm in 2026 (and it's more like an incremental 34mm). Also, Hurts has a no trade clause.

We aren't trading Hurts and taking $65mm in dead money...we'd also need someone to assume the remaining $51mm in gteed money on his deal for 2026, and $22mm of 2027 guarantees on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year. And Jalen would need to agree to go there and not demand a new contract (which of course he would).

It's. Not. Friggin. Happening.

EDIT: The dead money for trading him after the 2026 season is $84 million, which is the $157.3mm in cash paid through 2026 less 73.3mm in cap charges. The 2027 guaranteed money moves to the acquiring team.

I was just going by the Over the Cap site, and said after 2026 not this season, following on the other poster saying after 2026 there's no more guaranteed money. I also acknowledged the no trade clause in my post, saying Jalen would have to approve of it in that hypothetical situation.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

...then after the 2026 season his dead money for a pre-June 1st trade is only $32m.

I don't understand the cap the way you do and know that you know what you're talking about. I was just going on changing the filters on that site from cut pre-June 1st ($84m) to trade pre-June 1st ($32m). That site doesn't include the additional details that you provided, which makes it tough for us regular folks to figure out the cap stuff.

Guys, even if he is considering changing play callers, he wouldn't announce that. First, if he decides not to do it, all he has done is weaken Patullo even further. Second, if he is going to do it, you know it will be behind the scenes and will only come out when leaked (like it did with Patricia). I don't think he will make a change, but there's no way he'd confirm anything at the Monday press conference.