Also, I may have hit my head and don't fully remember, but why are people pretending Moore got the most out of Hurts? The passing game was wildly inconsistent and had some terrible stretches last year. That was with a much, much stronger OL and being able to let Saquon go win the game.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

QB contracts are just crazy nowadays. Next meeting needs to do something about them. Already at 60M. They hinder teams way too much. Can't image what they'll be when the next CBA happens

I do think some teams should try a different direction and keep drafting QBs until you really get that elite/top QB to pay, rather than paying mid or just good QBs. The Eagles are actually well built to do that because Howie has the best job security in the NFL and has earned the room to experiment with that. And if they can have a roster like this with skill players, strong defense and get back to a top O line they could potentially plug and play QBs...but that hugely depends on drafting the right QB. And having a veteran backup option in case it fails. It's risky and most teams don't want that much risk at the most important position.

13 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I'll bite. You assume that a guy is basically a rookie is going to play well behind a "bad offensive line and OC." I dont think that the offense will get solved in this scenario with McKee. I'm sure he will flash and make some plays, but he certainly would have his growing pains early on. No running game still would exist and that always helps a 1st year QB. I like McKee, but to assume he solves everything is probably naive. Hurts played amazing in 2 Superbowls and he deserves full credit for that. One with a bad defense and one with a good one. Mahomes won 2 Superbowls with 2 Chamionship defenses and he got all the accolades. But Hurts wins and it's the rest of the team carried him. He's earned some leeway here for me. And not to mention he has a different offensive coordinator every year. Maybe why there's all this constant turmoil with getting this thing smoothed out.

When you have a bad OL you need to make quick decisions. That's not Hurts. You need to be accurate, which also isn't Hurts. He played well with two amazing OLs and two amazing WRs. Credit him for that, but throw in the story about him not wanting to run now and he brings nothing special, which we are seeing. Holding the ball and not screwing up isn't enough for me. I will gladly see what McKee can do. If he sucks then we know it's not on Hurts once and for all. If he plays well then Hurts needs to go because we clearly see his indecisiveness and inability to think quickly on his feet is holding them back. I honestly think some Hurts lovers (not you) are scared to see McKee play for that reason. The offense has absolutely sucked this year so if the kid plays it's not like things will get much worse.

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Clearly. See below

I guess this is possible, but I'm going to heavily disagree. We lost the one seed. We're currently in jeopardy to potentially lose the division. The players are obviously frustrated.

Letting Nick try to "figure it out" and be willing to tank the season in order to do is a sign of a much, much bigger issue with this franchise.

Possibility exists howie and Lurie might think Nick and his offense/philosophy is the issue and it’s not a fixable thing in week 14. It wouldn’t be fixable without making a significant move like firing him or telling him his new OC is running his own playbook and offense. Which is why they want to see if he can fix it and learn from his mistake in 2023. So when they have end of season meetings he realizes it’s his offense and philosophy that need overhauling.

Then again that’s just a theory. I tend to believe Lurie and Howie would get involved to try to save the season. then again maybe they have already and we don’t know. But sirianni is stubborn and they are letting him sink himself

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I do think some teams should try a different direction and keep drafting QBs until you really get that elite/top QB to pay, rather than paying mid or just good QBs. The Eagles are actually well built to do that because Howie has the best job security in the NFL and has earned the room to experiment with that. And if they can have a roster like this with skill players, strong defense and get back to a top O line they could potentially plug and play QBs...but that hugely depends on drafting the right QB. And having a veteran backup option in case it fails. It's risky and most teams don't want that much risk at the most important position.

I think Nick also has to go to make that work. You need a Reid or Brian Johnson type who will be stable and can coach them up. When you have a revolving door at OC and a vibes coach that isn't going to work as well.

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Also, I may have hit my head and don't fully remember, but why are people pretending Moore got the most out of Hurts? The passing game was wildly inconsistent and had some terrible stretches last year. That was with a much, much stronger OL and being able to let Saquon go win the game.

Cause fans fast forward to the nfc title game and Super Bowl. Where it was good. The gloss over everything that happened to get to that point. It’s the same reason some fans downplay the significance of the 13 games wentz played in 2017 and only look at what Foles did

There.

Problems solved.

You can all shut up now.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

When you have a bad OL you need to make quick decisions. That's not Hurts. You need to be accurate, which also isn't Hurts. He played well with two amazing OLs and two amazing WRs. Credit him for that, but throw in the story about him not wanting to run now and he brings nothing special, which we are seeing. Holding the ball and not screwing up isn't enough for me. I will gladly see what McKee can do. If he sucks then we know it's not on Hurts once and for all. If he plays well then Hurts needs to go because we clearly see his indecisiveness and inability to think quickly on his feet is holding them back. I honestly think some Hurts lovers (not you) are scared to see McKee play for that reason. The offense has absolutely sucked this year so if the kid plays it's not like things will get much worse.

The discussion is nice. But benching Jalen Hurts with everything else surrounding the team with bad play design, bad play calling, injured offensive linemen playing hurt and everything else would probably make a lot of competent QBs look worse. Running on 1st down right down the middle for no gains is also not helping him. He needs 2nd and short and they are not helping him on that front. Barkley is dancing and not hitting the hole like Tank to break one every now and then. He's not even in the game to break one. Can't tell me the offensive line sucks on every single running play. He's missing some lanes. And AJ Brown ain't prime AJ Brown anymore. Keep saying that. Lot of peeps may be out of their prime here earlier than we expected. Including some on the OL. There's a lot of blame to give around here is my point. Doubt McKee would be the savior here right now. This team just isn't as talented as last year's team. Whether it's a drop in people's game or the actual talent pool itself. It isn't. Clear as day! The interior line is graded as one of the worst right now. Lane finally looking human. Fred is a JAG. And Jordan got wrecked by Dillon and ain't himself. On top of that, the defense knows what's coming on every play as there is a tell they haven't solved yet.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Possibility exists howie and Lurie might think Nick and his offense/philosophy is the issue and it’s not a fixable thing in week 14. It wouldn’t be fixable without making a significant move like firing him or telling him his new OC is running his own playbook and offense

True, but then you'd think they would tell Patullo he has the keys to the offense and his own playcalling or at the very least, demand that they bring in someone like Reich, Daboll, etc to help try to fix things.

Might be confusing, but the offense literally cannot get worse and we still have enough time to install some things before the playoffs.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

"It's not good when your team logo is almost fully hidden behind the Jets logo"

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I meant healthy. You don't think the team is stacked with talent if they're all 100%?

Yeah but they aren't healthy. I don't think some guys on defense are either.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

True, but then you'd think they would tell Patullo he has the keys to the offense and his own playcalling or at the very least, demand that they bring in someone like Reich, Daboll, etc to help try to fix things.

Might be confusing, but the offense literally cannot get worse and we still have enough time to install some things before the playoffs.

Imo might believe as patullo who has been mentored by Nick that his playbook is similar and how he views play calling similarly. I’d bring in Reich or daboll as a consultant to get some outside eyes to review them and give info. Issue with Reich he’s been coaching Stanford all year so who knows how much eagles he’s watched. Daboll makes more sense as he worked with hurts at bama and prepared for the eagles twice this year with the giants.

Nick has proven to not know how to make changes to fix the team so far. In 2023 they just kept plugging away. They've talked for years about not playing to the standard, having to work harder, staying up late nights and all that...and the offense has got worse. The coaches and players always say they are close to figuring it out, still building, whatever. Yes there's an element of always growing and improving but this gets ridiculous after a while.

There are simple changes like the usage of TE personnel, or giving Tank more carries. What are they even doing to try and fix things? What changes are they implementing?

Again I'll say, you can make a long list of problems from the QB to the O line to CB2 and special teams but ultimately everything falls on the responsibility of the Head Coach. I don't buy that Hurts is so controlling he refuses to do things and the entire organization is so afraid of him that they do whatever he wants. If so, that also further speaks to problems with the coaching and front office to allow that. If Hurts has preferences and the coaches allow it, that's a two-fold problem not just the QB.

28 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

If the OC remains to call plays, Nick's future with the team is over, unless the offense suddenly turns up and wins out. He is playing the odd dangerously.

How about if the defense shows up and the offense does just enough to win the division?

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He needs to go. I don't care if Nick just won a ring or not when two coordinators carried him and he is going to be responsible for blowing two years of their window because he is a moron promoting friends. He brings vibes, which is great, but that isn't enough.

He's Garrett Stubbs?

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There.

Problems solved.

You can all shut up now.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Said during the game their stuff is telegraphed and not overly complicated. You can figure out what they are gonna try to do before they run plays.

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't know about any of you guys, but that looks like his hat is covering a freshly shaved head.

Nick, any more ideas besides bringing back the Baldiani era?

Nah...

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Nick has proven to not know how to make changes to fix the team so far. In 2023 they just kept plugging away. They've talked for years about not playing to the standard, having to work harder, staying up late nights and all that...and the offense has got worse. The coaches and players always say they are close to figuring it out, still building, whatever. Yes there's an element of always growing and improving but this gets ridiculous after a while.

There are simple changes like the usage of TE personnel, or giving Tank more carries. What are they even doing to try and fix things? What changes are they implementing?

Again I'll say, you can make a long list of problems from the QB to the O line to CB2 and special teams but ultimately everything falls on the responsibility of the Head Coach. I don't buy that Hurts is so controlling he refuses to do things and the entire organization is so afraid of him that they do whatever he wants. If so, that also further speaks to problems with the coaching and front office to allow that. If Hurts has preferences and the coaches allow it, that's a two-fold problem not just the QB.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nick, any more ideas besides bringing back the Baldiani era?

Nah...

I can shave my beard guys… maybe it’ll work

7 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

How about if the defense shows up and the offense does just enough to win the division?

Sad we gotta hope for "just enough.” With that collection of talent we should be scoring 30 ppg minimum

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I dislike patullo but whatever fans whether kids or adults did this are idiots and dumb asses for doing it

Maybe this lights a fire under the team.

First there was the flower speech......

Then there was Baldianni........

Now this. The players rally around KP and they go on a run.

One can dream.