33 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The casual thumbs down was the best part of that play and they didn’t show it.

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

That second video on Hurts is spot on. This and the Jets game are the two worst games I recall him playing.

Too many bad decisions and bad throws. I called out watching live that he had Dotson free on that double turnover play.

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Meme worthy photo right there

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

OK let's talk about hitch routes. Some of the media astutely made this a talking point after noticing the extreme predilection the Eagles have for these routes. But this is the core of the problem and really deserves a deep dive, which, IMO, truly reveals the problem..

As the vast majority of blog superfans are aware, the hitch route is a short route characterized by a quick plant and turn towards the QB. It presents a stationary target. There is nearly zero possibility for YAC. A couple things to establish about why the Eagles run so many of them:

Fact:

1. The Eagles like hitch routes short of the 1st down marker on 2nd and 3rd down. This is a soft spot in the zone that is defended less rigorously. It is a more challenging throw and connection to go beyond the sticks, where the defense is really trying to stop you. This gets the Eagles into tush push territory for 3rd or 4th down.

2. An offense built on hitch routes will not generate YAC.

Assertion:

1. Given that hitch routes present a simpler, stationary target, the coaches prefer to overwhelmingly run these due to a lack of confidence in their QB. Contrary to popular belief, this is not the route tree the HC and OC want.

2. As the chatter about the hitch route obsession has gained momentum, the Chargers were actually the first team to really start jumping them. So far this year, other teams were content to permissively allow that underneath crap, especially considering the decreased efficacy of the tush push.

3. The Eagles coaches did, in fact, adjust to what the Chargers were doing. This was why we saw a "more aggressive" game plan that targeted more areas of the field with more diverse routes than we've seen all year. The Chargers pushed them into doing this. That's why we saw so many open players in the second level.

4. Hurts' INTs did not come off jumping hitch routes. They came off the Eagles coaches opening up the route tree and getting away from those routes in response to what the Chargers were doing.

5. #4 is the most damning of all for Hurts. It's exhibit A for WHY these coaches insist on running this maddening, vanilla offense. They tried to get away from that (no...were dared to get away from that by the Chargers)...and Hurts showed everyone exactly why we run the offense we run.

The INT on the pass to Smith was Donte Jackson sitting on the hitch and jumping that route. You are correct on the rest

Jeff McLane in his latest podcast episode said and I’m paraphrasing: "while I'm not calling for Hurts to be benched or think that he will, I brought up the possibility to maybe give him a bit of a break because I know there’s things going on behind the scenes that could have people believe that he’s not listening to the coaching.”

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Jeff McLane in his latest podcast episode said and I’m paraphrasing: "while I'm not calling for Hurts to be benched or think that he will, I brought up the possibility to maybe give him a bit of a break because I know there’s things going on behind the scenes that could have people believe that he’s not listening to the coaching.”

I don’t know about him not listening to coaches, but I felt since 2023 that hurts just does not mix well with Nick Sirianni. I think there’s part of him that doesn’t believe in him as an offensive minded coach to maximize the talent. That this offense would function better with someone else. In 2024 they had all those stories that everything got smoothed over the summer/offseason and all that. But I kind of think that was BS because they were winning and they kind of put that PR as it was good time to do it. But in reality it’s still exist. Imo don’t believe he trusts patullo and probably views him as Sirianni’s disciple

It’s hilarious that the only person "held accountable” this week was the long snapper. Really ballsy head coach we got

56 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know about him not listening to coaches, but I felt since 2023 that hurts just does not mix well with Nick Sirianni. I think there’s part of him that doesn’t believe in him as an offensive minded coach to maximize the talent. That this offense would function better with someone else. In 2024 they had all those stories that everything got smoothed over the summer/offseason and all that. But I kind of think that was BS because they were winning and they kind of put that PR as it was good time to do it. But in reality it’s still exist. Imo don’t believe he trusts patullo and probably views him as Sirianni’s disciple

Wasn't there that talk before the BYE last year as well?

What offensive minds are out there this year? Guessing the Seattle OC and Brady.

17 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What offensive minds are out there this year? Guessing the Seattle OC and Brady.

Daboll

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

So pissed he's willing to throw away the entire season. I'd wager he isnt angry enough

31 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Wasn't there that talk before the BYE last year as well?

Idk I’d have to go back and see. I just remember when they started playing well that there were stories about how all offseason they were working together. Their relationship had grown

I felt this last year before the Saints game last year, if they would’ve went into the Saints game (at the time they were undefeated playing well) and the Tampa Bay game and just looked out of it and got blasted in both of those games before the bye how much longer would Jeffrey Lurie give sirianni? finishing 2023 1-6 after a 10-1 start then going 1-3 out of the gate.

McLane really went in pretty hardcore on Hurts in his latest episode. Believes very strongly he's the biggest issue on the team. And he said a lot of people in the building from players to coaches to front office people also feel this way. Talked about how he's just not good at doing certain things and everything the Eagles do offensively is to try to work around his flaws. He didn't totally absolve the coaches and I think I'd put more on the coaches than him for a variety of reasons. But this season he is very strongly in the "Hurts is the biggest issue" camp.

37 minutes ago, devpool said:

Daboll

I meant to replace Nick

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane really went in pretty hardcore on Hurts in his latest episode. Believes very strongly he's the biggest issue on the team. And he said a lot of people in the building from players to coaches to front office people also feel this way. Talked about how he's just not good at doing certain things and everything the Eagles do offensively is to try to work around his flaws. He didn't totally absolve the coaches and I think I'd put more on the coaches than him for a variety of reasons. But this season he is very strongly in the "Hurts is the biggest issue" camp.

Well due to his contract and how the front office structured it he’s the Qb through 2026 at minimum. Like it or not, even if you wanted to trade him and he was accepting of going the cap and dead money ramifications make it ridiculously hard to impossible. so McLane might be spot on with his assessment and what he’s heard but the eagles tied themselves to him with this contract thru 2026 and likely also 2027

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

It’s hilarious that the only person "held accountable” this week was the long snapper. Really ballsy head coach we got

It's an FO thing, it's not a Nick thing. They're overstretching the 'emotional intelligence' thing.

3 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

That second video on Hurts is spot on. This and the Jets game are the two worst games I recall him playing.

Too many bad decisions and bad throws. I called out watching live that he had Dotson free on that double turnover play.

FO doesn't want an under center team, notice they've hired nothing but shotgun or spread coaches this century.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane really went in pretty hardcore on Hurts in his latest episode. Believes very strongly he's the biggest issue on the team. And he said a lot of people in the building from players to coaches to front office people also feel this way. Talked about how he's just not good at doing certain things and everything the Eagles do offensively is to try to work around his flaws. He didn't totally absolve the coaches and I think I'd put more on the coaches than him for a variety of reasons. But this season he is very strongly in the "Hurts is the biggest issue" camp.

I'm sorry, but it still doesn't make any sense to me. Sirianni was interviewed by the Eagles, if he knew absolutely nothing about ball to a historic degree, that probably would have been caught in the interview section. Does no one believe they reached out to Reich as a former Eagles guy to figure out more about him? People always argue only his 'outside coordinators' were good, like the ones he didn't pick, but it's obvious he picked Steichen, they used to work together.

I don't know if this report is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. The other presentation - that we have the worst offensive staff in team history - is just too preposterous to believe when I look at a QB who isn't throwing people open or getting rid of the ball on time.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know about him not listening to coaches, but I felt since 2023 that hurts just does not mix well with Nick Sirianni. I think there’s part of him that doesn’t believe in him as an offensive minded coach to maximize the talent. That this offense would function better with someone else. In 2024 they had all those stories that everything got smoothed over the summer/offseason and all that. But I kind of think that was BS because they were winning and they kind of put that PR as it was good time to do it. But in reality it’s still exist. Imo don’t believe he trusts patullo and probably views him as Sirianni’s disciple

It shouldn't matter. You're the QB of the team. People talk over and over again about how Jalen is cool and stuff, but this is diva behavior. If you and Sirianni don't match well in terms of X's and O's, that's fine, that's one thing. But if you stop even listening as a result of that, that's diva behavior and you don't need to be here. You're basically sabotaging the offense at that point, and absolutely sabotaging your offensive staff.

Org needs to stop being so soft.

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It shouldn't matter. You're the QB of the team. People talk over and over again about how Jalen is cool and stuff, but this is diva behavior. If you and Sirianni don't match well in terms of X's and O's, that's fine, that's one thing. But if you stop even listening as a result of that, that's diva behavior and you don't need to be here. You're basically sabotaging the offense at that point, and absolutely sabotaging your offensive staff.

Org needs to stop being so soft.

It shouldn’t matter but that’s not the universe with NFL player egos we live in. Especially when you win SB mvp and getting paid the money you are then you feel like you have more say/pull. I am merely pointing out some things that have come out and alluded too about Jalen and Nick’s relationship in the past. We are under the assumption that he has stopped listening to him. We do not know that as a definitive fact yet as we don’t have early as many details besides just McLane throwing it out there after this week. The other reports about previous relationship during 2023 then offseason of 2024 had multiple different reporters giving info into it.

If he has stopped listening to coaches that speaks to a bigger problem with him, coaches and the organization. The org for not squashing it sooner and allowing for it to get to this point. His coaches for not being able to get through to him and also not sending a message to him in some way shape or form. Himself for basically hurting the ability to maximize the roster we have by essentially just disregarding what is expect and in a lack of better words sabotaging the offense.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

In this disappointment of a season that has gone completely sideways, the most enjoyable thing to watch every Sunday with this team is Mitchell and Dejean in the secondary.

I’m glad you can find joy with this complete wasted season, which was totally avoidable

Super Bowl MVP nick foles was replaced by Carson wentz in 2018

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane really went in pretty hardcore on Hurts in his latest episode. Believes very strongly he's the biggest issue on the team. And he said a lot of people in the building from players to coaches to front office people also feel this way. Talked about how he's just not good at doing certain things and everything the Eagles do offensively is to try to work around his flaws. He didn't totally absolve the coaches and I think I'd put more on the coaches than him for a variety of reasons. But this season he is very strongly in the "Hurts is the biggest issue" camp.

I feel like it's more coaching also, but only slightly. I have doubts that even if we schemed guys open that hurts would even pull the trigger at this point.

His decision making the last month has been atrocious, his only above average trait (deep ball) has been off all year long, and apparently now he refuses to run so he won't get hurt. Not like running will do anything because he's slow as dirt now, so if he doesn't immediately go N-S he's getting hawked down by DTs. I don't think I've seen a slower runner laterally since Peyton did that crazy fake sneak years ago.

We'll never know because sirianni doesn’t have the balls to bench him. There was no better time than either of the past 2 games to sit him for a half and tell him to un-F himself. Instead we got the 5th straight game under 21 points with one of the most expensive offenses in the league. F sirianni. F Patullo. F Hurts.

Never been an easier year to repeat as champs and this is what we get

Time adds perspective and we've had about a day and a half since the loss so only now can we begin to see things clearly.

Let's start with the 2023 talk. It isn't a legit comparison beyond the losing streak. The team is still competing, the locker room is not lost, and then we have the D who are still playing great. If we only play as well as we have in the last three games we will still easily beat LV and Wash twice and win the division. That wasn't the case in 2023 when we lost to the lowly Giants and Cards in the last couple of weeks. Perhaps the drama will break the locker room this week but so far that hasn't happened and I don't expect it to.

As for the game, I'm looking at the 40 pass attempts by Hurts to just over 20 rushing plays. That's not our or his game. When we go that route it often ends up the way it did, with turnovers. Hurts is who he is and he's not even the QB of '22 as he's lost a step of quickness. He's great in managing an O with a great line and when he's a real threat to run. In that situation, his calm steady tough turnover free play wins the game 90% of the time. His record proves it. When he doesn't have the OL production things get dicey. It doesn't matter how good the WRs are or have been. Hurts just isn't going to consistently go thru quick reads against zone defenses and hit receivers in rhythm and with good timing.

Grind out 3 of the last 4 and then just take a shot in the wild card game.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well due to his contract and how the front office structured it he’s the Qb through 2026 at minimum. Like it or not, even if you wanted to trade him and he was accepting of going the cap and dead money ramifications make it ridiculously hard to impossible. so McLane might be spot on with his assessment and what he’s heard but the eagles tied themselves to him with this contract thru 2026 and likely also 2027

Due to his contract Hurts is on the team. Doesn't mean he must start. Here is a nightmare scenario. They trade McKee for a fairly high pick, he becomes very good for his new team, and Hurts continues his regression. Then there really is nobody to replace Hurts. That would set the organization back years. They must find out before the end of this year what they have in McKee. I thought they would trade McKee in the offseason but now I don't believe they can afford to trade McKee. Sucks if you're him because the guy wants a chance to start.