lol

Love McCoy but he's such a drama queen, LFMAO

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

Due to his contract Hurts is on the team. Doesn't mean he must start. Here is a nightmare scenario. They trade McKee for a fairly high pick, he becomes very good for his new team, and Hurts continues his regression. Then there really is nobody to replace Hurts. That would set the organization back years. They must find out before the end of this year what they have in McKee. I thought they would trade McKee in the offseason but now I don't believe they can afford to trade McKee. Sucks if you're him because the guy wants a chance to start.

Don’t necessarily disagree about seeing what they have in McKee but it’s not going to happen. Only way it is likely is if Hurts get injured or the games become blowouts or meaningless. Hurts had been mostly bad since the bye and horrible in the first half of the chargers game. If there was a time to do it was then as his decision making and play warranted it.

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol

Terrible throw but the right read. We can’t call a single slant or crosser on this play? Just four verts and pray it’s not two man high?

The Eagles are 11.5 point favorites but the total over/under is 38.5.

So the wise guys are basically expecting 24-14 Eagles. Something like that.

Id obviously be happy with the win but not sure that would inspire much confidence

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Said this earlier today, i wanna just turn the channel when the offense gets the ball. Just watch the defense. It’s a shame 2 years ago we prayed for a defense like this and now we have it. And the offense has spiraled into 2023 eagles defense ineptitude

I feel the same way. Good post.

Watching the Offense is offensive to me. For the past 10 quarters, just YUCK. Every yard that they do get, it's like .........difficult for them. A grind. They seem so slow, like they all are playing with ankle weights on.

Just a very simple way to look at it:

Hurts is a very limited qb. Theres a certain way he has to play. Howie managed to construct a very expensive, very talented offense that allows Hurts to play within the context that maximizes his abilities. Within that context, Hurts is clutch and wins games.

Maintaining offensive personnel that allows Hurts to function within that context is not as simple, cost-effective, or sustainable as simply keeping a good OL and pass catchers. It requires elite top-to-bottom talent and not just a top 5 run game, but something closer to a top 5 all time run game. Those assets peak, crest, and decline pretty quickly.

I don’t want to diminish what Hurts has done in the past and I’m not here to say that Petullo is good…but both of those things are a distraction from the real issue: Hurts can’t function in a normal offense and that’s why our coaches don’t try to run one.

The path forward is murky. It’s not going to be easy to reconstruct the unique environment required for Hurts to succeed. And by then, his already declining mobility will probably be shot anyway.

Ah yes, that offense we ran in 2022 clearly was abnormal and he obviously couldn't function in it. Having a competent OC must seem unique when you don't understand what an incompetent one looks like.

The McKee decision will be pretty interesting in the offseason and telling. His value is as probably as high as it could as far as pick compensation. But if they decide to keep him I think that shows the contingency plan is in place if Hurts has a poor 2026.

McKee is far more valuable to the Eagles than any other team. Maybe if the Eagles can lock into the #3 and give him a start vs. Washington that would start to change. But I dont see us getting any sort of return for him at all.

I think they planned to try and move him this year but didn't get any takers.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol

Never should have retired his number anyway...he really has a very high opinion of himself...here's a tip Shady, oh wait...you don't believe in tips.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

McKee is far more valuable to the Eagles than any other team. Maybe if the Eagles can lock into the #3 and give him a start vs. Washington that would start to change. But I dont see us getting any sort of return for him at all.

I think they planned to try and move him this year but didn't get any takers.

I think they had takers but just not worth it to Howie if something did happen to Hurts...especially after he traded Pickett. I'm especially sure that Moore would've loved him in New Orleans.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Terrible throw but the right read. We can’t call a single slant or crosser on this play? Just four verts and pray it’s not two man high?

If you're expecting a response from the usual suspects in here, I wish you luck. They're learning for the first time was phrases like "2 man high" mean.

36 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ah yes, that offense we ran in 2022 clearly was abnormal and he obviously couldn't function in it. Having a competent OC must seem unique when you don't understand what an incompetent one looks like.

Yep. It’s all the OC. We’ve cycled through so many with the same persistent problems because every single professional OC they’ve hired is so horrendous besides Steichen.

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The number 1 issue in the NFL with officiating is lack of consistency.

Inconsistency is a huge issue, the quality of the crews is for sure in the pooper. However, I’m curious how truly worse is it compared to say 10 years ago due to having everything in 4k, endless replays being shown due to artificial extending of games to milk more money, etc. The DPI DeJawn had on CD a couple weeks ago is a perfect example. From the TV angle it looked like DPI all day…then the multiple replays came in of him not even getting a finger on him the entire way down the field due to CD holding him off then throwing an uppercut at him. Granted the judge that threw the flag was staring right at Coop taking that upper cut and still called DPI.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Yep. It’s all the OC. We’ve cycled through so many with the same persistent problems because every single professional OC they’ve hired is so horrendous besides Steichen.

Didn't say it was entirely the OC so spare me the 5th grade level strawman argument. I criticized Hurts plenty during the game in real-time and said if that wasn't his worst game as an Eagle, then I don't know what was.

But I also know from what I'm seeing on the field, that Patullo has no future whatsoever as an OC at this level and you'd have to be drunk or stupid to believe he does. Speculation is fun but it's highly subjective so let's revert to objective facts: we've seen Hurts succeed and play efficiently as an NFL QB in this league, good luck waiting for the same to be said about Kevin Patullo as an NFL OC.

What sucks is Monday was a historically good defensive showing that no one is going to remember about because of how awful the offense was.

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Didn't say it was entirely the OC so spare me the 5th grade level strawman argument. I criticized Hurts plenty during the game in real-time and said if that wasn't his worst game as an Eagle, then I don't know what was.

But I also know from what I'm seeing on the field, that Patullo has no future whatsoever as an OC at this level and you'd have to be drunk or stupid to believe he does. Speculation is fun but it's highly subjective so let's revert to objective facts: we've seen Hurts succeed and play efficiently as an NFL QB in this league, good luck waiting for the same to be said about Kevin Patullo as an NFL OC.

As a matter of fact, you stated the straw man with your 2022 comment. And you are typically the one to race to the bottom with petulant insults in a disagreement. But I digress.

We’ve seen Carson Wentz succeed and play efficiently as a starting qb in this league. 2017 was something special. Let’s cling to that one season and blame it all on the fact he’s had a new play caller every year since then. He’ll be available in the offseason and I think we should bring him in to start next year.

Looks like the forecast is showing some snow in the morning. I'm sure the Eagles will prepare a pass heavy attack.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Terrible throw but the right read. We can’t call a single slant or crosser on this play? Just four verts and pray it’s not two man high?

I’m just going to take a wild guess that there was 5 or so seconds left on the play clock when Smith? went in motion, no time to adjust the play or routes.

I’m still completely bewildered that before half coming out of a TO they BROKE THE HUDDLE WITH 10 SECONDS ON THE PLAYCLOCK. Patullo in theory/debatably called a better game from an X’s and O’s standpoint. But the problem with taking his napkin sized playbook and making it paper towel sized is that it took him 3 or 4 seconds longer to find a play every down.

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yep. It’s all the OC. We’ve cycled through so many with the same persistent problems because every single professional OC they’ve hired is so horrendous besides Steichen.

We have to stop this narrative that it was ONLY 2022 that he performed well.

You know, Brian Johnson wasn't that bad in retrospect. The team offense ranks in points and yards were exactly the same from Brian Johnson to Kellen Moore. In 2023 Hurts actually had higher passing numbers in a lot of categories than in 2022, but the interceptions were so high. That made Siri more conservative, plus Howie got Barkley and his historic running season made it easy to be run dominant in 2024. They were able to play conservative last year. He had some great passing performances last year. He had his highest pass yards at 311 against the Saints without AJ Brown. He had the "is that what y'all wanted to see" game against the Steelers with 290 yards, 2 TD and a 123.1 passer rating. He had multiple games of more than 250 yards which of course isn't a lot for a QB normally, but in a run-first offense that was limiting Hurts passing and playing conservative that was good for what they needed.

In 2021 Hurts did well considering he was a first time starter with a first time Head Coach, and his receivers were Smith in his rookie year, Reagor, JJAW and Quez Watkins. The offense rankings in 2021 were higher than this season.

Offense rankings:

2021: Points 12th, Yards 14th

2022: Points 3rd, Yards 3rd

2023: Points 7th, Yards 8th

2024: Points 7th, Yards 8th

2025: Points 19th, Yards 24th

Despite the issues this year, if Hurts plays all 17 games he's on pace for 3600 yards which would be his 3rd best pass yard season, and 24 pass TDs which isn't a lot but would be his career high.

Hurts will never be a top passer in the league and he has his limitations. He has been awful in recent games and I said many times he should have been benched in recent games. But the OC needs to design plays and call games to his strengths. People have endlessly pointed out all of Patullo's flaws that have nothing to do with Hurts, such as usage of the TE, WR routes, no carries for Tank, being predictable, not getting play calls in on time which reduces time for pre-snap read of the defense and decision time for potential audibles, and the offense is always rushing to snap down to 1 second. All of that is Patullo.

We're stuck with Hurts. They decided to give him a contract extension and agree to a no-trade clause. So they need to have a strong OC to run the offense, not experiment with Nick's friend who never called plays before. With an opportunity to repeat as SB champions you don't experiment with someone who's never called plays, that's asinine!

This offseason they will need to get an experienced OC, which they should have learned the lesson from 2023. But they'll be able to evaluate if the offense and Hurts perform better and if Hurts truly has regressed and is Russell Wilson 2.0 they can plan to move on from him.

1 hour ago, Breeze 44 said:

I think they had takers but just not worth it to Howie if something did happen to Hurts...especially after he traded Pickett. I'm especially sure that Moore would've loved him in New Orleans.

Bo Wulf said teams asked about McKee, and specifically said the Saints were one of them.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Just a very simple way to look at it:

Hurts is a very limited qb. Theres a certain way he has to play. Howie managed to construct a very expensive, very talented offense that allows Hurts to play within the context that maximizes his abilities. Within that context, Hurts is clutch and wins games.

Maintaining offensive personnel that allows Hurts to function within that context is not as simple, cost-effective, or sustainable as simply keeping a good OL and pass catchers. It requires elite top-to-bottom talent and not just a top 5 run game, but something closer to a top 5 all time run game. Those assets peak, crest, and decline pretty quickly.

I don’t want to diminish what Hurts has done in the past and I’m not here to say that Petullo is good…but both of those things are a distraction from the real issue: Hurts can’t function in a normal offense and that’s why our coaches don’t try to run one.

The path forward is murky. It’s not going to be easy to reconstruct the unique environment required for Hurts to succeed. And by then, his already declining mobility will probably be shot anyway.

Meh. Hurts isn't that limited. Patullo and Sirianni are much more limited than Hurts. And all praise to Howie, but the amazing talent on offense most people think we have isn't amazing this season. The offensive line is just absolutely terrible. Not one guy on the line deserves the money they are getting paid this season. Perhaps the worst in the league. Penalties, missed blocks all the time, losing physically. Heck, if they are just top 15 this is a different looking season. Elliot should have been gone after last season- his missed FG may have cost us that game- Chargers would have needed a TD at the end of the game to win rather than a FG to tie. Brown drops a dime of a throw for a TD and alligator arms another that resulted in a pick.

Hurts hasn't played well recently, but the truth is the Oline and coaches have been horrible since opening day. Not to mention Barkley looks like Miles Sanders this season.