Nice moment for this fan

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

As a matter of fact, you stated the straw man with your 2022 comment. And you are typically the one to race to the bottom with petulant insults in a disagreement. But I digress.

We’ve seen Carson Wentz succeed and play efficiently as a starting qb in this league. 2017 was something special. Let’s cling to that one season and blame it all on the fact he’s had a new play caller every year since then. He’ll be available in the offseason and I think we should bring him in to start next year.

We ran a perfectly "normal" offense under Steichen. That's a fact that you continue to conveniently ignore so I reminded you of it.

And yes, Hurts may be Wentz redux, but I'm far more confident that Patullo's career an NFL OC was over before it started. Having an OC that is wholly unqualified for the job and won't ever succeed in that position is extremely difficult to overcome. Very few QBs not named Manning or Brady would be able to do so. That's the real issue.

28 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Looks like the forecast is showing some snow in the morning. I'm sure the Eagles will prepare a pass heavy attack.

and LOTS of Calcaterra lead blocking 1st and 10 runs right up the middle.

12 hours ago, eagle45 said:

In this disappointment of a season that has gone completely sideways, the most enjoyable thing to watch every Sunday with this team is Mitchell and Dejean in the secondary.

Cooper just keeps on improving. Mitchell may not get the accolades again because he's not getting the picks. It's amazing we were able to get both in 1 draft

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well due to his contract and how the front office structured it he’s the Qb through 2026 at minimum. Like it or not, even if you wanted to trade him and he was accepting of going the cap and dead money ramifications make it ridiculously hard to impossible. so McLane might be spot on with his assessment and what he’s heard but the eagles tied themselves to him with this contract thru 2026 and likely also 2027

Can we draft a QB in the 2nd round?

/s

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Time adds perspective and we've had about a day and a half since the loss so only now can we begin to see things clearly.

Let's start with the 2023 talk. It isn't a legit comparison beyond the losing streak. The team is still competing, the locker room is not lost, and then we have the D who are still playing great. If we only play as well as we have in the last three games we will still easily beat LV and Wash twice and win the division. That wasn't the case in 2023 when we lost to the lowly Giants and Cards in the last couple of weeks. Perhaps the drama will break the locker room this week but so far that hasn't happened and I don't expect it to.

As for the game, I'm looking at the 40 pass attempts by Hurts to just over 20 rushing plays. That's not our or his game. When we go that route it often ends up the way it did, with turnovers. Hurts is who he is and he's not even the QB of '22 as he's lost a step of quickness. He's great in managing an O with a great line and when he's a real threat to run. In that situation, his calm steady tough turnover free play wins the game 90% of the time. His record proves it. When he doesn't have the OL production things get dicey. It doesn't matter how good the WRs are or have been. Hurts just isn't going to consistently go thru quick reads against zone defenses and hit receivers in rhythm and with good timing.

Grind out 3 of the last 4 and then just take a shot in the wild card game.

How do we know the locker room isn't lost? We only ever had reports of it because no one was really showing it and they'd always deny it

The bunny was beyond strange

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Just a very simple way to look at it:

Hurts is a very limited qb. Theres a certain way he has to play. Howie managed to construct a very expensive, very talented offense that allows Hurts to play within the context that maximizes his abilities. Within that context, Hurts is clutch and wins games.

Maintaining offensive personnel that allows Hurts to function within that context is not as simple, cost-effective, or sustainable as simply keeping a good OL and pass catchers. It requires elite top-to-bottom talent and not just a top 5 run game, but something closer to a top 5 all time run game. Those assets peak, crest, and decline pretty quickly.

I don’t want to diminish what Hurts has done in the past and I’m not here to say that Petullo is good…but both of those things are a distraction from the real issue: Hurts can’t function in a normal offense and that’s why our coaches don’t try to run one.

The path forward is murky. It’s not going to be easy to reconstruct the unique environment required for Hurts to succeed. And by then, his already declining mobility will probably be shot anyway.

Howie built an offense for a 5k QB if we're being honest

I've accepted that the Iggles are not winning anything this season. I'm at peace with it. I'll relish and relive last season. And I will look forward to next season. 🦅🏈🦮

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Cooper just keeps on improving. Mitchell may not get the accolades again because he's not getting the picks. It's amazing we were able to get both in 1 draft

Can we draft a QB in the 2nd round?

/s

How do we know the locker room isn't lost? We only ever had reports of it because no one was really showing it and they'd always deny it

The bunny was beyond strange

Howie built an offense for a 5k QB if we're being honest

I don’t believe, at least hope not, that the locker room is "lost”. And if it is, that has to do with a player mental toughness issue. You’re not going to win 14 games every year and every season is going to have adversity. Good teams fight their way through it. Teams lose 2 or 3 games in a row and it isn’t the end of the world. The good news is, outside of the Chicago game, this defense is still playing at an elite level. And that should be more than enough to go 3-1 the remainder of the season given the schedule.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Cooper just keeps on improving. Mitchell may not get the accolades again because he's not getting the picks. It's amazing we were able to get both in 1 draft

Can we draft a QB in the 2nd round?

/s

How do we know the locker room isn't lost? We only ever had reports of it because no one was really showing it and they'd always deny it

The bunny was beyond strange

Howie built an offense for a 5k QB if we're being honest

Well, that offense ain't worth what he paid for it this season.

The locker room isn't lost. If anything. it's divided.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Terrible throw but the right read. We can’t call a single slant or crosser on this play? Just four verts and pray it’s not two man high?

So a 2x2 set after motion. Just a low effort nothing play with a bad result.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Terrible throw but the right read. We can’t call a single slant or crosser on this play? Just four verts and pray it’s not two man high?

McLane and Dave Murphy his guest made the point that in any offense you're going to have plays like this if you break down the tape of every team and we as outsiders don't know why they ran the play they did or if any calls were made at the line or what the assignments were of each play or if players didn't execute something properly. I think there's some merit to that, but I do think in general when you have an entire offense that has underperformed this season, it's heavily on the coaching as well. Hurts isn't the only one having a crap year. Almost everyone on the offense is.

Which is my stance is more than Sirianni and Hurts need a divorce than it is "It's just the QB!" Whatever the reason, it's pretty clear Hurts either can't win with Sirianni's offense or Sirianni doesn't know how to get Hurts to play QB at a high level anymore.

And one area I'll defend the coaching is I'm hearing a ton of people the past 48 hours screaming the Eagles need to run the ball more. Are people watching the running game? What planet are you living on? Every single run the Eagles had in the 2nd half vs the Chargers was stuffed except for the Barkley trick play TD. This running game BLOWS. There's a reason this coaching staff has opted to throw more when it clearly works against their best interest. Because their running game is so bad they have no choice but to make Hurts throw a ton.

That is the biggest issue on the team this year. That it's clear this coaching staff believes the only way to win with Hurts is ton run the ball a ton and they aren't able to because the running game is so bad. Paging Jeff Stoutland.

47 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Offense rankings:

2021: Points 12th, Yards 14th

2022: Points 3rd, Yards 3rd

2023: Points 7th, Yards 8th

2024: Points 7th, Yards 8th

2025: Points 19th, Yards 24th

This is being disingenuous. In terms of passing yards:

2021: 29th

2022: 8th

2023: 17th

2024: 30th

2025: 22nd

I understand that the running game plays a roll and that Hurts has been part of that, but he's never been a good, high volume passer. 2022 is the clear outlier and that needs to be accepted. Now that the running game can't prop him up, we see what a disaster it's been

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ah yes, that offense we ran in 2022 clearly was abnormal and he obviously couldn't function in it. Having a competent OC must seem unique when you don't understand what an incompetent one looks like.

Hurts ran a ton that season, he had 165 attempts for 760 yards in 15 games, this year he has 88 attempts for 370 yards.

His rushing was what made him an MVP candidate in 2022 with a lot of designed runs. Thus year they aren't doing that because he doesn't want to, and aside from not getting hurt he probably doesn't want to because he knows he's too slow to do so now.

Bottom line: if the 2022 offense is the only offense Hurts can be great in we're Fed

He's not even trying anymore

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

So a 2x2 set after motion. Just a low effort nothing play with a bad result.

Hmmm… 2H man coverage, the old Jalen Hurts would run right behind those vertical routes especially with only 5yds to convert - but alas a spying LB now represents an unequal challenge.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The locker room isn't lost. If anything. it's divided.

Interesting. What are the sides?

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Interesting. What are the sides?

Offense and Defense.

And even within the offense, I wouldn't doubt there is a growing rift with the way things have been going.

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

This is being disingenuous. In terms of passing yards:

2021: 29th

2022: 8th

2023: 17th

2024: 30th

2025: 22nd

I understand that the running game plays a roll and that Hurts has been part of that, but he's never been a good, high volume passer. 2022 is the clear outlier and that needs to be accepted

Yeah, I've said repeatedly he will never be a great passer. Individual stats don't matter if the team overall is performing. You could have a #1 defense but not be highest in sacks, the individual stat of sacks doesn't matter if you're getting pressure, getting stops and limiting the other team's points.

The point in showing total team offensive ranking is that Patullo has led the worst offense of Nick's career. Coaching matters. The Offensive Coordinator is the worst we've had. A better OC is needed.

The time will come to move on from Hurts and if they desire, they can get a better pocket passer who puts up higher passing numbers. They are stuck with Hurts. Saying he'll never be a high volume passer is pointless, everyone knows that. So you need an OC that gets the most out of the roster.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

or if any calls were made at the line

This would be a valid suggestion if not for the fact that we can barely get the ball snapped with more than 3 seconds on the play clock as it is.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Offense and Defense.

And even within the offense, I wouldn't doubt there is a growing rift with the way things have been going.

I could see those sides drifting further apart if the defense gets a bunch of turnovers from Raiders but the offense can't do anything with it

The one year Hurts doesn't get injured is the year the offense would look better if the unfortunate happened and save the season. Irony.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

This would be a valid suggestion if not for the fact that we can barely get the ball snapped with more than 3 seconds on the play clock as it is.

I noticed on vs the Chargers they seemed to get to the line faster. I don't know if this will be backed up by the data, but I saw half a dozen plays or more where they were at the line ready to snap with like 8 seconds on the play clock instead of 1-3, which is a marked improvement.

McLane in his podcast said during the mini bye they stripped Hurts of some responsibilities at the line and tried to focus on him doing the things he's best at. And even reinstalled some things from 2022.

It's pretty funny to me that CMC already has 237 carries and 85 receptions over the Niners' 13 games. He's at 3.6 yards per carry, so you know he's taking a lot of contact.

Soon to be on an injury list near you .....

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Meh. Hurts isn't that limited.

if you believe this, then we just aren’t going to get on the same page

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It's pretty funny to me that CMC already has 237 carries and 85 receptions over the Niners' 13 games. He's at 3.6 yards per carry, so you know he's taking a lot of contact.

Soon to be on an injury list near you .....

It’s been that way his whole career even going back to his college days at Stanford. He’s a workhorse.