1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Cooper just keeps on improving. Mitchell may not get the accolades again because he's not getting the picks. It's amazing we were able to get both in 1 draft

Can we draft a QB in the 2nd round?

/s

How do we know the locker room isn't lost? We only ever had reports of it because no one was really showing it and they'd always deny it

The bunny was beyond strange

Howie built an offense for a 5k QB if we're being honest

I don’t think drafting a quarterback is out of the question. What round is a better question. they did that with Carson wentz, Vick with Foles and mcnabb with kolb. Add on Adam caplan drop the news that they were very interested in Jordan Love and there was no way Jordan Love was falling to where they were in the second round.

Can say well they have Tanner McKee so don’t really need to, but Tanner McKee only has a year left on his rookie contract. They could keep him for 2026 and if hurts gets hurt/bench then see what he is. Frankly curious to see if they cash in the value of him or value his last year of his contract here. However i still think they’d draft a Qb some point in the draft to develop.

For the love of God...

They aren't going to bench Hurts. There's no universe where that happens. I'm not saying whether it should or not -- there's a 0.0% chance Nick does it. If he benches Hurts for McKee, then you have no choice but to move on this offseason, except...they can't. They can neither cut nor trade Hurts and take the associated cap hit in 2026.

We will sink or swim with Jalen. Likely sink. But the economic realities are what they are.

Just to put this in context -- we have $22.4 million in 2026 cap space per Spotrac, with Hurts cap number at just under $32 million. Cutting Michael Carter will add just under $10 million, so call it $32 million. Our only other ways to get cap space are (i) extend Jordan Davis and (ii) extend Goedert before the league year starts (unlikely). Call it $40 million to be generous. Well, we need to sign (i) draft picks, (ii) CB2, (iii) edge depth, (iv) a starting safety, (v) OL depth. So we're going to need almost all that money.

Trading Hurts would cause a dead cap hit of just under $65 million, so a net reduction in cap space of $33 million from the baseline. We do that and we basically can't sign enough players. Cutting Hurts would be a dead cap charge of just under $116 million, or a net reduction of $84 million which is impossible to absorb unless we post June 1 him and move the cap hit to 2027 (basically $84 million goes to 2027). Cutting him and designating post June 1 is basically tanking the next 2 years.

Jalen Hurts is the starting QB of the Philadelphia Eagles for the next 2025 and 2026 seasons, absent a DeShaun Watson type fall from grace.

3 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The McKee decision will be pretty interesting in the offseason and telling. His value is as probably as high as it could as far as pick compensation. But if they decide to keep him I think that shows the contingency plan is in place if Hurts has a poor 2026.

You'd have to think the Colts might be all over a McKee trade. Hell, they just signed a grandfather to play QB who hasn't been in the league for what 4 years?

They are in a win-now mode and they apparently have the best owner in the NFL because she takes notes during the game. She'd be smart to make a trade for a QB who can help them now.

Just now, bpac55 said:

You'd have to think the Colts might be all over a McKee trade. Hell, they just signed a grandfather to play QB who hasn't been in the league for what 4 years?

They are in a win-now mode and they apparently have the best owner in the NFL because she takes notes during the game. She'd be smart to make a trade for a QB who can help them now.

What would we realistically get for him? a 3rd? a 4th?

I'd rather just keep him. We aren't getting a 1st or 2nd for a guy who has barely played.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

and LOTS of Calcaterra lead blocking 1st and 10 runs right up the middle.

They've moved on from Calcaterra. DeVonta blocking DE on passing downs is the new move.

17 hours ago, Utebird said:

So we can not run play action 

Yesterdays game eagles were averaging something like 9 yards a play under, one of those plays was a play action pass, the first play of the second half which was the first under PA of the game, it went for 20 + yards, I think they ran PA under center one more time the rest of the game.

Eagles like to pretend theyre a running team, theyre not, not because they dont try to run but because they cant, whats point if running all those runs if one isnt going to playaction off them?

Its just negligence to see so many heavy boxes and line up in shotgun and run an inside zone or a "play action" off the shotgun inside zone which fools no one and doesnt influence the LBs even a little or enough to accomplish anything.

Its a stupid offensive scheme with stupid design and stupid coaches calling those stupid plays in stupid ways and all the stats show that 

I just don’t understand the malpractice.

Also, when the hell is the last time we ran a running back screen? Facing all of these stacked boxes and pressures, we can’t let them through and get blockers down the field? All these backs and can’t even do a simply slip screen?

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

What would we realistically get for him? a 3rd? a 4th?

I'd rather just keep him. We aren't getting a 1st or 2nd for a guy who has barely played.

Never say never. I'd also be looking at player for player. Do the Colts have any depth at need positions for the Eagles?

2 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I just don’t understand the malpractice.

Also, when the hell is the last time we ran a running back screen? Facing all of these stacked boxes and pressures, we can’t let them through and get blockers down the field? All these backs and can’t even do a simply slip screen?

Unless it's a WR screen to DeVonta on 3rd and long with not enough blockers, they aren't calling a screen.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to put this in context -- we have $22.4 million in 2026 cap space per Spotrac, with Hurts cap number at just under $32 million. Cutting Michael Carter will add just under $10 million, so call it $32 million. Our only other ways to get cap space are (i) extend Jordan Davis and (ii) extend Goedert before the league year starts (unlikely). Call it $40 million to be generous. Well, we need to sign (i) draft picks, (ii) CB2, (iii) edge depth, (iv) a starting safety, (v) OL depth. So we're going to need almost all that money.

Trading Hurts would cause a dead cap hit of just under $65 million, so a net reduction in cap space of $33 million from the baseline. We do that and we basically can't sign enough players. Cutting Hurts would be a dead cap charge of just under $116 million, or a net reduction of $84 million which is impossible to absorb unless we post June 1 him and move the cap hit to 2027 (basically $84 million goes to 2027). Cutting him and designating post June 1 is basically tanking the next 2 years.

Jalen Hurts is the starting QB of the Philadelphia Eagles for the next 2025 and 2026 seasons, absent a DeShaun Watson type fall from grace.

Agreed. Benching your franchise QB who doesn’t have an out until 2028 is just ridiculous rhetoric. He just turned 27, has done a TON of great work for this team, and is hamstrung by the trashiest offensive staff in the NFL. Especially for a guy who’s played 2 games.

The OC and HC need to put a gameplan together that lends itself to the QB and roster we have - not the other way around. Throwing 40 times in a FG heavy game isn’t the right decision. Running the ball once or twice a drive isn’t the right decision. Having 2 and 3 route runners within 6 yard radius at the top of their routes is not the right decision. Running WR screens on 3rd and 9 is not the right decision. Getting playcalls in and breaking the huddle at 10 seconds and rushing a motion isn’t the right decision. Passing the ball on 1st and goals from the 2 isn’t the right decision.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never say never. I'd also be looking at player for player. Do the Colts have any depth at need positions for the Eagles?

Well, if you’re going with the Colts, the Colts don’t have a first round pick the next two years because they traded it for sauce Gardner. So the highest you would get would be a 2nd round pick. I am guessing how this trade would probably work is that it is a third round pick in 2026 and you’re probably getting a 2027 pick where it could be conditional based off how Tanner McKee looks.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think drafting a quarterback is out of the question. What round is a better question. they did that with Carson wentz, Vick with Foles and mcnabb with kolb. Add on Adam caplan drop the news that they were very interested in Jordan Love and there was no way Jordan Love was falling to where they were in the second round.

Can say well they have Tanner McKee so don’t really need to, but Tanner McKee only has a year left on his rookie contract. They could keep him for 2026 and if hurts gets hurt/bench then see what he is. Frankly curious to see if they cash in the value of him or value his last year of his contract here. However i still think they’d draft a Qb some point in the draft to develop.

Hurts is the starter going into next year, but how long of a leash does he have?

If it's very short, they could draft a QB this offseason. You have a rookie that doesn't need to be thrown out there right away, but he's there if Hurts really regresses.

If they have fairly high confidence in McKee, I could see them roll with Hurts as the starter and if he struggles and they start falling behind, its McKee time. They get the remainder of the year to evaluate McKee as the full time guy and can adjust. If its bad all around, they are in a better position to draft a QB.

2026 is the last season with the core offense together. After that, it starts to make some financial sense to split ways and for Howie to start a new chapter.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to put this in context -- we have $22.4 million in 2026 cap space per Spotrac, with Hurts cap number at just under $32 million. Cutting Michael Carter will add just under $10 million, so call it $32 million. Our only other ways to get cap space are (i) extend Jordan Davis and (ii) extend Goedert before the league year starts (unlikely). Call it $40 million to be generous. Well, we need to sign (i) draft picks, (ii) CB2, (iii) edge depth, (iv) a starting safety, (v) OL depth. So we're going to need almost all that money.

Trading Hurts would cause a dead cap hit of just under $65 million, so a net reduction in cap space of $33 million from the baseline. We do that and we basically can't sign enough players. Cutting Hurts would be a dead cap charge of just under $116 million, or a net reduction of $84 million which is impossible to absorb unless we post June 1 him and move the cap hit to 2027 (basically $84 million goes to 2027). Cutting him and designating post June 1 is basically tanking the next 2 years.

Jalen Hurts is the starting QB of the Philadelphia Eagles for the next 2025 and 2026 seasons, absent a DeShaun Watson type fall from grace.

Was just looking at that. Maybe trading him after the 2026 season is possible if need be? Payments are option bonuses so presumably would travel to the other team. Dead money is much lower.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to put this in context -- we have $22.4 million in 2026 cap space per Spotrac, with Hurts cap number at just under $32 million. Cutting Michael Carter will add just under $10 million, so call it $32 million. Our only other ways to get cap space are (i) extend Jordan Davis and (ii) extend Goedert before the league year starts (unlikely). Call it $40 million to be generous. Well, we need to sign (i) draft picks, (ii) CB2, (iii) edge depth, (iv) a starting safety, (v) OL depth. So we're going to need almost all that money.

Trading Hurts would cause a dead cap hit of just under $65 million, so a net reduction in cap space of $33 million from the baseline. We do that and we basically can't sign enough players. Cutting Hurts would be a dead cap charge of just under $116 million, or a net reduction of $84 million which is impossible to absorb unless we post June 1 him and move the cap hit to 2027 (basically $84 million goes to 2027). Cutting him and designating post June 1 is basically tanking the next 2 years.

Jalen Hurts is the starting QB of the Philadelphia Eagles for the next 2025 and 2026 seasons, absent a DeShaun Watson type fall from grace.

Just to help illustrate your point with spottrac. He’s here in 2026 unless he demands a trade (maybe happens if they did bench him) and then it’s impossible to move without ruining their cap situation. 2027 more ability to do it but still $45 mil dead money hit and a 2.9ish cap hit unless done after June 1 (although i believe $22 mil of 2027 becomes guaranteed in the 3rd day of the 2026 league year )

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That was my immediate reaction to what I was seeing. Way too late with too many throws, and a few times he seemed to be looking at an open WR and just didn't let the ball go. I think Jaworski is being a bit charitable when he says 1/10 of a second -- it was 1/2 to a full second late on some of the throws.

Hurts is the Eagles starting QB through 2026; I just don't want to see him extended beyond that. If he's decided (consciously or unconsciously) he's going to run less, he's simply not good enough as a pure passer to take the Eagles where they need to be.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

How do we know the locker room isn't lost? We only ever had reports of it because no one was really showing it and they'd always deny it

Because we can see the continuing effort on the field

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Just a very simple way to look at it:

Hurts is a very limited qb. Theres a certain way he has to play. Howie managed to construct a very expensive, very talented offense that allows Hurts to play within the context that maximizes his abilities. Within that context, Hurts is clutch and wins games.

Maintaining offensive personnel that allows Hurts to function within that context is not as simple, cost-effective, or sustainable as simply keeping a good OL and pass catchers. It requires elite top-to-bottom talent and not just a top 5 run game, but something closer to a top 5 all time run game. Those assets peak, crest, and decline pretty quickly.

I don’t want to diminish what Hurts has done in the past and I’m not here to say that Petullo is good…but both of those things are a distraction from the real issue: Hurts can’t function in a normal offense and that’s why our coaches don’t try to run one.

The path forward is murky. It’s not going to be easy to reconstruct the unique environment required for Hurts to succeed. And by then, his already declining mobility will probably be shot anyway.

I don't know what a normal offense is. Arguably, the Shanahan offens is the most complex offense in terms of pre-snap motion and use of play action and has the simplest QB reads. Andy Reid uses more RPOs and doesn't run a traditional West Coast offense. I agree Hurts has limitations but I don't think the limitations are the biggest problem. The other part of replacing Hurts is the high variability of QB play. There is no perfect QB. Every QB misses throws and makes bad decisions. Good offensive coordinators offer consistent easy answers when they have sufficient talent. This is where there seems to be repeated problems in the offense. Rarely do we see opposing defenses caught off guard by a play. The team cannot run screen plays in a way that makes you question the play design rather than just the execution. Maybe throwing more over the middle of the field would make a difference. Maybe replacing Hurts with a QB that didn't have that limitation would improve the team. I don't think it fixes a majority of the problems.

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I thought the play design was much better. Again, the limited time left though to get to the line and do everything needed hurried so many plays. Hurts played like an absolute brain dead idiot so this isn’t absolving that, but if you have to rush pre snap, you’re still going to be rushing post snap. Something is seriously broken in the communication process for playcalling. Patullo obviously has no feel for the game, but he’s probably getting delayed info from the booth as well. At this point the least intrusive and best possible fix is to take line protection away from Hurts…give it to the least likely to get hurt OL (probably steen unfortunately) and let him get back to reading and checking at the line if they can’t get a play call in in time. That’s probably one of the most non nuclear options left at this point.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That was my immediate reaction to what I was seeing. Way too late with too many throws, and a few times he seemed to be looking at an open WR and just didn't let the ball go. I think Jaworski is being a bit charitable when he says 1/10 of a second -- it was 1/2 to a full second late on some of the throws.

Hurts is the Eagles starting QB through 2026; I just don't want to see him extended beyond that. If he's decided (consciously or unconsciously) he's going to run less, he's simply not good enough as a pure passer to take the Eagles where they need to be.

Its fair to say that Hurts is the starting QB at the beginning of the 2026 season, but may not end that way if thing continue as they have this season. With the out on the horizon for both parties, he'll have some pressure perform if he wants to stay.

I don't think it would get there, nor do I see him leaving. But its possible the natural way of things means it happens, especially if a new contract is demanded from Hurts camp

If they lose to the Raider, the sky will, must, and should fall.

It would mean that Siri has completely lost the team 2 of out 3 years and that Hurts isn’t good enough to overcome it.

33 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

What would we realistically get for him? a 3rd? a 4th?

I'd rather just keep him. We aren't getting a 1st or 2nd for a guy who has barely played.

To think he’s worth more in picks than he is as a back up is insane. Unless he gets extended action, a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd is probably the pie in the sky scenario.

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That was my immediate reaction to what I was seeing. Way too late with too many throws, and a few times he seemed to be looking at an open WR and just didn't let the ball go. I think Jaworski is being a bit charitable when he says 1/10 of a second -- it was 1/2 to a full second late on some of the throws.

Hurts is the Eagles starting QB through 2026; I just don't want to see him extended beyond that. If he's decided (consciously or unconsciously) he's going to run less, he's simply not good enough as a pure passer to take the Eagles where they need to be.

Was going to respond to @wussbasket above but just gotta do it here. Knowing how Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman work, they’re not gonna just sit around at QB without being proactive to have some sort of plan in place if hurts comes crashing down in 2026. I think wheels probably in motion now with a back up plan for a break in case of emergency. whether or not they have to go full in on it is a different question. I kind of view it like 2021 where they had the assets available to them if they needed to go get a quarterback if hurts wasn’t the guy. They almost always have some sort of plan at quarterback in case the worst should happen. They had that with McNabb at the end. They had Michael Vick with Foles. They had it with Sanchez with Foles. They had it with going out and getting Carson Wentz even though they had Bradford and they signed chase Daniel. Hurts with wentz after the injuries piled up and his concussion

I’m not saying they’re gonna have to go full force into it, but I would bet a lot of money that they are having conversation conversations about if the worst should happen in 2026 with Jalen hurts that what is their plan and how are they going to enact it.