8 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Have you watched Tanner play? It is a small sample size but he looks like his ceiling could be elite with his skill sets if he fully develops. I would be surprised if they spent a high pick on a QB. I could see a day 3 pick for depth and a back up plan though.

He has 1 start. I like him as a backup and I feel confident they can win if he needs to start.

This was a discussion earlier if you scroll up, that Howie always likes to have a succession plan at QB and watching Hurts this season, would they bring someone in? My question in reply to that is what would that mean they think of McKee? If they like him and he's got this elite ceiling, then roll with him as the #2 next year. Hypothetically, IF they were to draft a QB high wouldn't that mean they don't think much of McKee? Or just more collection for the QB factory?

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

He has 1 start.

So you haven't really followed him, gotcha.

Howie structured the contracts on this team, particularly on offense, in a way that basically locks us into this core through the 2026 season. It will be incredibly difficult to make any real changes to the pillars on this team next year. And if Lane were to retire this offseason...it would eat up more cap space. Lane's contract is such an amalgamation of multiple extensions that I don't know anyone who has it exactly right, but it looks like $40mm in dead money if he retires vs. ~$24mm cap charge for 2026. Could file the paperwork after June 1 and push most of the hit to 2027.

We locked in this core thinking it was a Super Bowl offense. We're stuck with it through 2026.

6 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So you haven't really followed him, gotcha.

How many regular season starts does he have?

btw I said I like him.

30 minutes ago, NOTW said:

As vikas said, they're not going to bench him. I thought they should have in the Bears game, or at halftime of the Chargers to just sit him, it wasn't his day. See if McKee can provide a spark. Now, there's no way they do it against the 2-11 Raiders, the Commies are on life support those should be 3 wins. The Bills will be a loss unless they make some big changes and don't hurt themselves.

Benching Hurts going forward just isn't going to happen. If it was going to, halftime of the Chargers game was the opportune time. With his contract there will be no change at QB next season and probably 2027 as well. Repeating over and over that he's not a top passer is just restating what everyone knows. If his contract were different, a trade would be more realistic. But it's not. So what is realistic to happen?

Change the OC. They should have never promoted a guy who's never called plays, and it shows. There are other problems with the offense that many people point out, that have nothing to do with Hurts. Steichen, Moore and yes even Johnson have been better OCs. Patullo is the worst OC they've had under Sirianni and it shows. You know how QB coaches and OCs get promoted because of the work they did with QBs? So everyone recognizes the impact a coach has on a QB but when the OC sucks, we only blame the QB? The same QB who had more success under other OCs? That doesn't make sense.

Even currently with Patullo they could:

• Get the play call in faster, giving the offense more time to settle, and Jalen and the line to review what the defense is showing, and allow time for audibles

• Stop using Calcaterra, use Latu on run plays who is more successful. If you're going to be predictable, at least use someone who's better at it

• More runs to the outside like they did against the Chargers

• Stop putting O linemen on the field who are too hobbled to do their job effectively. Healthy Toth is better than liability Jurgens (who I like, he just needs to be healthy)

• Focus on the mental mistakes of false starts, holds and other penalties, those are fixable

• Give more carries to Tank Bigsby

• Utilize better motion and receiver routes that aren't predictable and help Jalen out via scheme

• Run more plays under center, which has proven to be more successful ("Jalen doesn't like it" well then be in charge as the coach)

• Special teams returns putting the offense in better field position. Covey hopefully helps that, he has already

• Stop calling pass plays that are thrown behind the 1st down marker on 3rd down, expecting the receiver to get the YAC

• Use more slants to AJ, when they've done that it's been working

There are probably more ideas that can be done right now, with this roster and staff. Those are all coaching issues. Yes, Hurts is going to miss open receivers, he makes bad throws. Other times he makes good throws. As a coach, you coach and scheme to what will make the QB successful. Because the QB isn't going anywhere. And he's had success with other OCs, and even had better performances this season.

I am going to create a second profile so that I can like this post a second time. They need to do all of those things. No one is getting benched or fired. Coach them up and fix the many niggling problems and at least get to an upper poor to bottom fair Offense.

Without looking at the numbers, I bet if they were 20th on O in most categories, they would have 1 loss right now. That should be the goal.

Just now, NOTW said:

How many regular season starts does he have?

btw I said I like him.

He has played plenty the last two training camps and pre seasons, so it's clear you haven't been paying attention. He is 6 foot 6 so he wont have trouble seeing the entire field. He has good arm strength, throws with anticipation and gets the ball out quickly. Now you know more about him. He can make throws Hurts couldn't dream of making. Whether that will translate to great QB is yet to be seen. However, he has all the tools.

24 minutes ago, NOTW said:

His prior QBs were already established and successful before him. He took the job knowing Hurts was the QB. Steichen did a good job with him and then left. They evaluated him and signed him to a contract extension and a no trade clause after the 2023 collapse.

The way this will likely go is a new OC in the offseason who has experience calling plays. Even if that guy is from college buy knows how to run an offense and has a feel for in-game decisions it would be better than Patullo. They will try to squeeze what they can out of the offense in this window, especially with a strong defense.

If Hurts has regressed and just isn't it anymore, then when the time comes they'll trade him. At that point, AJ Brown will be gone, the offense will have Smitty and a TE on a rookie deal and find a new QB to grow with, while the salary cap shifts toward the defensive players they have to re-sign. Some new O linemen as well.

For now with Hurts contract you have to get a coach that gets the most out of the roster.

Yeah of course. The question is what it would look like with say a Love or a Darnold. Someone decent but not top 8.

Season saved

33 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

We agree it won't happen.

We also agree about your suggestions. Don't forget put him under center.

Put him under center.

More play action.

More two back sets.

Never throw a WR screen again, ever. Like never ever.

Do not go for FGs over 50 yards. He can't make them any more. Punt. Don't go for it. Punt.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

He has played plenty the last two training camps and pre seasons, so it's clear you haven't been paying attention. He is 6 foot 6 so he wont have trouble seeing the entire field. He has good arm strength, throws with anticipation and gets the ball out quickly. Now you know more about him. He can make throws Hurts couldn't dream of making. Whether that will translate to great QB is yet to be seen. However, he has all the tools.

Obviously he's played in camp and preseason, like every player. You are arguing to argue because you think I was critical of McKee, which I was not. I stated a fact, which is that he has 1 regular NFL start. I like McKee as the #2, and said I am confident they can win if he were needed.

Again this was a hypothetical that others suggested, that Howie might want to bring in a succession plan QB this offseason. That would mean in that hypothetical (that someone else, not me suggested) that they don't exactly trust McKee as the future. So go argue with those people. I simply asked, IF they drafted a QB high, would that mean they don't think McKee is the future?

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

For the love of God...

They aren't going to bench Hurts. There's no universe where that happens. I'm not saying whether it should or not -- there's a 0.0% chance Nick does it. If he benches Hurts for McKee, then you have no choice but to move on this offseason, except...they can't. They can neither cut nor trade Hurts and take the associated cap hit in 2026.

We will sink or swim with Jalen. Likely sink. But the economic realities are what they are.

How about we just move on with Jalen as our #2? Play the QB who can win us games (McKee) and dont pay dead money for cutting or trading Hurts.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

He has played plenty the last two training camps and pre seasons, so it's clear you haven't been paying attention. He is 6 foot 6 so he wont have trouble seeing the entire field. He has good arm strength, throws with anticipation and gets the ball out quickly. Now you know more about him. He can make throws Hurts couldn't dream of making. Whether that will translate to great QB is yet to be seen. However, he has all the tools.

I think NOTW wasnt speaking negatively of McKee personally, but just speculating on how the team might view him. Keep in mind that some of us who have been high on McKee were taken aback when Howie wasted draft resources to trade for a thoroughly mediocre Kenny Pickett. The team knows better than any of us how well McKee has been performing and what his ceiling is, and yet they still pulled the trigger to trade for this guy last year

Apparently Jeremy Fowler put this out

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Season saved

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He has 1 start. I like him as a backup and I feel confident they can win if he needs to start.

This was a discussion earlier if you scroll up, that Howie always likes to have a succession plan at QB and watching Hurts this season, would they bring someone in? My question in reply to that is what would that mean they think of McKee? If they like him and he's got this elite ceiling, then roll with him as the #2 next year. Hypothetically, IF they were to draft a QB high wouldn't that mean they don't think much of McKee? Or just more collection for the QB factory?

They have too many pressing needs to spend a high draft pick on a QB. If they DID draft a QB high, Jalen and Tanner better have a plan B. I imagine Tanner already does.

Just now, NOTW said:

It is a big deal. It will help.

Just now, NOTW said:

Obviously he's played in camp and preseason, like every player. You are arguing to argue because you think I was critical of McKee, which I was not. I stated a fact, which is that he has 1 regular NFL start. I like McKee as the #2, and said I am confident they can win if he were needed.

Again this was a hypothetical that others suggested, that Howie might want to bring in a succession plan QB this offseason. That would mean in that hypothetical (that someone else, not me suggested) that they don't exactly trust McKee as the future. So go argue with those people. I simply asked, IF they drafted a QB high, would that mean they don't think McKee is the future?

It means McKee is in the last year of his deal, and they can't/won't resign him while having Jalen under a big contract. If you draft a QB this year, he's the number 3 guy and moves up when Tanner leaves after 2026.

I'd be STUNNED if they took a QB before day 3. I think it's more likely they go to the garbage heap for a guy they liked who has underachieved. I know this will make people puke, but a guy like Zach Wilson that they were reportedly high on would cost very little.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Obviously he's played in camp and preseason, like every player. You are arguing to argue because you think I was critical of McKee, which I was not. I stated a fact, which is that he has 1 regular NFL start. I like McKee as the #2, and said I am confident they can win if he were needed.

Again this was a hypothetical that others suggested, that Howie might want to bring in a succession plan QB this offseason. That would mean in that hypothetical (that someone else, not me suggested) that they don't exactly trust McKee as the future. So go argue with those people. I simply asked, IF they drafted a QB high, would that mean they don't think McKee is the future?

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Obviously he's played in camp and preseason, like every player. You are arguing to argue because you think I was critical of McKee, which I was not. I stated a fact, which is that he has 1 regular NFL start. I like McKee as the #2, and said I am confident they can win if he were needed.

Again this was a hypothetical that others suggested, that Howie might want to bring in a succession plan QB this offseason. That would mean in that hypothetical (that someone else, not me suggested) that they don't exactly trust McKee as the future. So go argue with those people. I simply asked, IF they drafted a QB high, would that mean they don't think McKee is the future?

I wasn't arguing to argue, it sounded like you had 0 knowledge of McKee by saying "he has only played 1 game." I don't know if he is the answer but its time to find out. I can tell you Hurts is not the answer.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How about we just move on with Jalen as our #2? Play the QB who can win us games (McKee) and dont pay dead money for cutting or trading Hurts.

They won't do that this season - it is a signal to the locker room you are giving up. Imagine you do that and McKee craps the bed. They panic changed DCs in 2023 and lost the season. They aren't going to panic bench the QB and do it again.

People need to live in reality.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Apparently Jeremy Fowler put this out

Fresh meat for some of the blogtards to wax their carrot to!

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah of course. The question is what it would look like with say a Love or a Darnold. Someone decent but not top 8.

A lot of people want a pure pocket passer. Lurie and Howie coveted Russell Wilson in that draft. It was rumored they tried to get Russell Wilson (I forget how many years ago that was) when he was available in a trade. It was reported they liked Jordan Love. They had Wentz who made plays with his legs. They drafted Hurts. Even going further back they had McNabb and Vick. So the QBs they're choosing for the last 20 years are mostly dual threat.

It would be a shift for them to go for a pure pocket passer.

Just now, mikemack8 said:

Fresh meat for some of the blogtards to wax their carrot to!

How in the world would anyone know what the Eagles plan to do in the draft next year?

Just now, NOTW said:

How in the world would anyone know what the Eagles plan to do in the draft next year?

It's the same league executives who had AJ traded before the deadline.

It's pretty clear no one in the league has a read on Howie.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Apparently Jeremy Fowler put this out

Sounds like a smoke screen. When does Howie announce what position he will be going after?

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I wasn't arguing to argue, it sounded like you had 0 knowledge of McKee by saying "he has only played 1 game." I don't know if he is the answer but its time to find out. I can tell you Hurts is not the answer.

You can't read. I said he has 1 start, meaning regular season. Which is true, and a fact. I also said I like him and they can win with him. I also said at least twice that it was a hypothetical that other people suggested Howie might bring in a QB for succession plan, so I asked wouldn't that mean they don't trust McKee if they did that? You chose to quote my post, delete everything else I said, try to refute something that I actually didn't say and then keep arguing. You're directing your rants to the wrong person.