3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

They won't do that this season - it is a signal to the locker room you are giving up. Imagine you do that and McKee craps the bed. They panic changed DCs in 2023 and lost the season. They aren't going to panic bench the QB and do it again.

People need to live in reality.

From the sounds of things, the team is beginning to recognize a change needs to be made so it doesnt seem as risky as you believe it to be. As players are likely hoping for it just like I am. Coaches as well. Media is starting to call for it. Now reportedly other league execs. Its coming to the point where they risk upsetting the locker room if they dont make the change. Its no longer me yelling on the EMB. It's now everywhere, people calling out Hurts.

I think maybe you aren't confident enough in McKee.

When the Eagles get good play out of him on his rookie contract, the money kinda comes out in the wash even though they'll have a highly paid QB on the bench. At least they'll avoid dead money of trading him or cutting him. And hes a fine backup which is what he was really intended to be when we drafted him.

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

How in the world would anyone know what the Eagles plan to do in the draft next year?

Nobody does, but one thing I know for certain - as soon as they draft a QB he will IMMEDIATELY be the best QB of all time!

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

A lot of people want a pure pocket passer. Lurie and Howie coveted Russell Wilson in that draft. It was rumored they tried to get Russell Wilson (I forget how many years ago that was) when he was available in a trade. It was reported they liked Jordan Love. They had Wentz who made plays with his legs. They drafted Hurts. Even going further back they had McNabb and Vick. So the QBs they're choosing for the last 20 years are mostly dual threat.

It would be a shift for them to go for a pure pocket passer.

Hopefully they realize the running QB doesn't work long term. They can run for 2-3 years before they break down/lose a step and then its off to try to find the next one.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

From the sounds of things, the team is beginning to recognize a change needs to be made so it doesnt seem as risky as you believe it to be. As players are likely hoping for it just like I am. Coaches as well. Media is starting to call for it. Now reportedly other league execs. Its coming to the point where they risk upsetting the locker room if they dont make the change. Its no longer me yelling on the EMB. It's now everywhere, people calling out Hurts.

I think maybe you aren't confident enough in McKee.

When the Eagles get good play out of him on his rookie contract, the money kinda comes out in the wash even though they'll have a highly paid QB on the bench. At least they'll avoid dead money of trading him or cutting him. And hes a fine backup which is what he was really intended to be when we drafted him.

That's some Olympic level stretching, twisting and contorting to act like the locker room supports benching Hurts.

But that's what I get for engaging with you. My bad.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Hopefully they realize the running QB doesn't work long term. They can run for 2-3 years before they break down/lose a step and then its off to try to find the next one.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

A lot of people want a pure pocket passer. Lurie and Howie coveted Russell Wilson in that draft. It was rumored they tried to get Russell Wilson (I forget how many years ago that was) when he was available in a trade. It was reported they liked Jordan Love. They had Wentz who made plays with his legs. They drafted Hurts. Even going further back they had McNabb and Vick. So the QBs they're choosing for the last 20 years are mostly dual threat.

It would be a shift for them to go for a pure pocket passer.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

You can't read. I said he has 1 start, meaning regular season. Which is true, and a fact. I also said I like him and they can win with him. I also said at least twice that it was a hypothetical that other people suggested Howie might bring in a QB for succession plan, so I asked wouldn't that mean they don't trust McKee if they did that? You chose to quote my post, delete everything else I said, try to refute something that I actually didn't say and then keep arguing. You're directing your rants to the wrong person.

LOL go touch some grass.

Just now, Khani1 said:

LOL go touch some grass.

Right back at cha.

17 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Season saved

Kinda related to this, Eagles have to activate Myles Hinton today as it's the last day of his window, otherwise he is done for the year like Lampkin. Seems like they don't intend on activating him.

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How about we just move on with Jalen as our #2? Play the QB who can win us games (McKee) and dont pay dead money for cutting or trading Hurts.

If they did that - and I'm certain they won't - I'll bet Howie's phone would start ringing.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kinda related to this, Eagles have to activate Myles Hinton today as it's the last day of his window, otherwise he is done for the year like Lampkin. Seems like they don't intend on activating him.

Honestly, he's not worth a spot on the 53 man roster.

Of course, neither is AJ Dillon, but here we are.

There are many issues on offense right now we can poke at. If they fix first down play calling that could be the biggest help to the offense out of everything. That deficiency is glaring and horrendous. Running Saquon down the middle each time ain't working. Manageable 2nd and 3rd downs for Hurts is what you need here or they will be stuck in neutral here. This offensive line is good enough to have good productivity on 1st down. The 3 and outs are killing the team. At worst, you have longer drives that don't get you points but eat clock and gives the defense a rest and better field position to contend with. They are lost on 1st down with no reliable running game. Or bring in Tank and let's see what he has. Feels like they are trying so hard to get Saquon going and just forcing it when it's just not there. It's being stubborn at this point.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

They won't do that this season - it is a signal to the locker room you are giving up. Imagine you do that and McKee craps the bed. They panic changed DCs in 2023 and lost the season. They aren't going to panic bench the QB and do it again.

People need to live in reality.

But could we reasonably move off Jalen’s contract after next season, and resign McKee? Given the bust rate of college QBs, it might be a hedged bet.

10 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Sounds like a smoke screen. When does Howie announce what position he will be going after?

I’m guessing the people outside the organization people have seen them do something like this when they had mcnabb and draft kolb, have Vick and draft Foles, have Bradford and draft wentz and have wentz and drafted hurts. So they assume this is on the table with how the offense has looked.

If you make the decision to bench Hurts, like they did with Carson on 2020, then you have to also be 100% committed to moving on from him in the offseason. Which, given the cap implications, they can't do. He's the starting QB no matter what, as Nick literally just said.

30 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Howie structured the contracts on this team, particularly on offense, in a way that basically locks us into this core through the 2026 season. It will be incredibly difficult to make any real changes to the pillars on this team next year. And if Lane were to retire this offseason...it would eat up more cap space. Lane's contract is such an amalgamation of multiple extensions that I don't know anyone who has it exactly right, but it looks like $40mm in dead money if he retires vs. ~$24mm cap charge for 2026. Could file the paperwork after June 1 and push most of the hit to 2027.

We locked in this core thinking it was a Super Bowl offense. We're stuck with it through 2026.

It's why if this season goes to crap, they're going to try their best to win with it and I think that starts at a minimum with major changes to the offensive staff. Like everyone but Stoutland and Sirianni gone.

And at most, even Sirianni gone too. Which I think is less likely, but if they lose to the terrible Raiders on Sunday then I believe he's suddenly fair game. The Eagles blowing this division and losing to the horrendous Raiders in the process would be the worst collapse in Philly sports history. Having that on your track record is more bad than winning a Super Bowl is good.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Honestly, he's not worth a spot on the 53 man roster.

Of course, neither is AJ Dillon, but here we are.

He's probably not, but still kinda interesting this is the second O-linemen they have done this to. I'm guessing they gave each a tryout of sorts to see where they are at midseason and if they could help. Both likely were redshirt guys from the beginning anyway.

at least we'll get laughs from this

There is that small chance they actually go on a winning streak but I doubt it

I do not want them drafting a QB in the 2nd round. I was definitely joking when I said that. This team has foundational problems that need addressed in the draft

16 minutes ago, NOTW said:

A lot of people want a pure pocket passer. Lurie and Howie coveted Russell Wilson in that draft. It was rumored they tried to get Russell Wilson (I forget how many years ago that was) when he was available in a trade. It was reported they liked Jordan Love. They had Wentz who made plays with his legs. They drafted Hurts. Even going further back they had McNabb and Vick. So the QBs they're choosing for the last 20 years are mostly dual threat.

It would be a shift for them to go for a pure pocket passer.

We can use Mayfield then. How much changes with Baker back there instead of Hurts?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

at least we'll get laughs from this

There is that small chance they actually go on a winning streak but I doubt it

He looks fat.

He's gonna tear his Achilles running out the tunnel.

50 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You won't have to worrry about heart break again next year if Skubal is indeed headed to the Dodgers. No one is beating them if they land him.

Nobody beats them now.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

But could we reasonably move off Jalen’s contract after next season, and resign McKee? Given the bust rate of college QBs, it might be a hedged bet.

Yes, you could trade him after 2026 and take the $84mm dead cap charge ($42mm incremental in 2027 unless you trade him post June 1, which would be dumb as you wait another year for the draft pick). We could absorb the cap hit at that point, pending a bunch of extensions (Carter, Davis, Q, Coop, JD, maybe Nolan) that should be low cap hits in the initial years.

If you at all think that's the plan, offer Tanner a 1 or 2 year extension this offseason and get him cheap for a bit. Would be hard for a 5th rounder to turn down that money.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

That's some Olympic level stretching, twisting and contorting to act like the locker room supports benching Hurts.

But that's what I get for engaging with you. My bad.

Settle down bud. No need for insults. Ive been respectful to you. If you've been paying attention, the noise has gotten much louder over the past 2 weeks and it's coming from multiple directions. I didnt make it up, I took those thoughts from tweets that I've seen posted in here. Its been mentioned that players, coaches, and now other teams execs see the possibility that the Eagles need onto move on. So no, its not a stretch let alone Olympic level.

You never believed me when I said Hurts sucks for years. Now, look where we are. We are all wired differently as fans, you fitting the eternal optimist type when it comes to your assessment of Hurts. I don't hold it against you for disagreeing. Why the hostility from you?

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Nobody beats them now.

It's still just a rumor. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

26 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Howie structured the contracts on this team, particularly on offense, in a way that basically locks us into this core through the 2026 season. It will be incredibly difficult to make any real changes to the pillars on this team next year. And if Lane were to retire this offseason...it would eat up more cap space. Lane's contract is such an amalgamation of multiple extensions that I don't know anyone who has it exactly right, but it looks like $40mm in dead money if he retires vs. ~$24mm cap charge for 2026. Could file the paperwork after June 1 and push most of the hit to 2027.

We locked in this core thinking it was a Super Bowl offense. We're stuck with it through 2026.

This has been Howies plan since he signed AJ Brown in 2022. They had AJ, DeVonta, Hurts, Goedert and the core OL locked up through 2026. Howie knew he could just sub in different RBs, until the Barkley deal was too good to pass up. They slide Jurgens to C and can easily plug in a RG.