Portyansky Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Can we put that argument to bed now? How many times did we see the Eagles at like 3rd and forever today? Two fumbles by the Quarterback today. The Eagles lost more yards today in sacks than they gained in rush yardage. Wentz was completely rattled after getting hit so much. Meanwhile Haskins looked better as the game went on, because almost getting to the quarterback isn’t nearly as good as hitting him. I didn't read everyone's comments so it may have been said. The problem is our sometimes brainless QB doesn't get rid of the ball. If you look at the sacks they had, none of them surprised Carson, he saw them coming. Out of the 8 sacks, easily 5 of them could have been avoided with a throw away. We get lots of pressure on the QBs, but they have the brains to throw it away. I bet if our D played against us yesterday, we would have had 12 sacks. Its like someone said in another thread and it can't be more true... Wentz needs to know when the battle is lost in order to win the war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, Portyansky said: The problem is our sometimes brainless QB doesn't get rid of the ball This is unfortunately so true. He doesn't learn he doesn't adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Portyansky said: I didn't read everyone's comments so it may have been said. The problem is our sometimes brainless QB doesn't get rid of the ball. If you look at the sacks they had, none of them surprised Carson, he saw them coming. Out of the 8 sacks, easily 5 of them could have been avoided with a throw away. We get lots of pressure on the QBs, but they have the brains to throw it away. I bet if our D played against us yesterday, we would have had 12 sacks. Its like someone said in another thread and it can't be more true... Wentz needs to know when the battle is lost in order to win the war. Ironically I’m the one who said he needs to know when to lose the battle. 😂 I agree that many of the sacks today were Carson’s fault for holding the ball too long, but my point still stands. Sacks and hits on quarterbacks do far more cumulative damage than just pressures. Carson fell off a cliff in this game, because even though he was razor sharp early they still kept hitting him and he got rattled. When he gets rattled he completely falls apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman#12 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 14 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Can we put that argument to bed now? How many times did we see the Eagles at like 3rd and forever today? Two fumbles by the Quarterback today. The Eagles lost more yards today in sacks than they gained in rush yardage. Wentz was completely rattled after getting hit so much. Meanwhile Haskins looked better as the game went on, because almost getting to the quarterback isn’t nearly as good as hitting him. It's not an argument....one leads to the other. And it's stupid to to pit one vs the other. And stats are not kept on what the result of pressure causes. Wentz's 2 INTs were pressure related. His 2 deep overthrows were pressure related....and many of his incompletions were pressure related...you could see it as Wentz starting overthrowing guys......And as I said, he is to blame for a few of those sacks. There are any number of reasons why the skins put on so much pressure that fall on Wentz and Pedersen. I'm not excusing the line for its play, but Wentz's decision making caused many of those sacks, 3rd and longs and fumbles......just like last year. I thought he had overcome most of these issues, but the skins got into his head and he didn't overcome it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_hunt Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 when teams prepare to face the eagles, they see all the d-line talent & dial up a gameplan for their qb to get rid of the ball quickly. exactly what the eagles should've done against washington's d-line...but didn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman#12 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said: Ironically I’m the one who said he needs to know when to lose the battle. 😂 I agree that many of the sacks today were Carson’s fault for holding the ball too long, but my point still stands. Sacks and hits on quarterbacks do far more cumulative damage than just pressures. Carson fell off a cliff in this game, because even though he was razor sharp early they still kept hitting him and he got rattled. When he gets rattled he completely falls apart. How do you know that when stats are not kept on the results of the pressure on a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: It's not an argument....one leads to the other. And it's stupid to to pit one vs the other. And stats are not kept on what the result of pressure causes. Wentz's 2 INTs were pressure related. His 2 deep overthrows were pressure related....and many of his incompletions were pressure related...you could see it as Wentz starting overthrowing guys......And as I said, he is to blame for a few of those sacks. There are any number of reasons why the skins put on so much pressure that fall on Wentz and Pedersen. I'm not excusing the line for its play, but Wentz's decision making caused many of those sacks, 3rd and longs and fumbles......just like last year. I thought he had overcome most of these issues, but the skins got into his head and he didn't overcome it. I disagree that Carson’s mistakes were pressure related. They were hits related. It doesn’t matter how many times the Eagles almost got to Haskins. In fact a quarterback can actually get into a grove even if he’s pressured often. Heck Tom Brady in the Super Bowl again the Eagles faced a lot of pressure. He settled down and got complacent because the Eagles weren’t touching him. Haskins faced pressure in this game, but he too settled down. Carson fell apart, because they just kept sacking and hitting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: How do you know that when stats are not kept on the results of the pressure on a QB? A pressure stat is kept by people. The problem is pressure stats can often be misleading. A pressure can be tallied from a defensive lineman running up the field into the face of a quarterback and he dumps it off to a running back. Seems like a good play until you factor in that quarterback wanted to sucker that defensive player in so he could run the perfect screen play. Pressure doesn’t rattle NFL quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_west3 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I think this thread can be summed up easily, the team can't draft well, therefore, they need to hold onto aging high-priced players to compensate. Howie is great at cap management, but has no business being near a draft war room ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, b_west3 said: I think this thread can be summed up easily, the team can't draft well, therefore, they need to hold onto aging high-priced players to compensate. Howie is great at cap management, but has no business being near a draft war room ever again. Although I agree with your assume that this isn’t what I’m saying here at all. The point is when defense put hits/sacks on quarterbacks they do far more damage to the mindset and overall play of a quarterback than simply always almost getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madriver Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Portyansky said: I didn't read everyone's comments so it may have been said. The problem is our sometimes brainless QB doesn't get rid of the ball. If you look at the sacks they had, none of them surprised Carson, he saw them coming. Out of the 8 sacks, easily 5 of them could have been avoided with a throw away. We get lots of pressure on the QBs, but they have the brains to throw it away. I bet if our D played against us yesterday, we would have had 12 sacks. Its like someone said in another thread and it can't be more true... Wentz needs to know when the battle is lost in order to win the war. And I don't fathom how doug doesn't adjust: quick outs, slants. Are we back to the 1st seven weeks of 2019 where no one wants to catch a footballl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portyansky Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, Madriver said: And I don't fathom how doug doesn't adjust: quick outs, slants. Are we back to the 1st seven weeks of 2019 where no one wants to catch a footballl? Yea, its pretty maddening that he didn't adjust for that. We have such fast WRs, you're telling me they can't get open sooner? Aside from that scrub JJAW, Djax, Regor, Hightower and Ward are fast enough to get open. I also think Wentz is a problem when it comes to that. Was 3rd and 4 I believe, he decides to god deep, but has Djax wide open for what would have been an easy 1st down conversion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madriver Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Portyansky said: Yea, its pretty maddening that he didn't adjust for that. We have such fast WRs, you're telling me they can't get open sooner? Aside from that scrub JJAW, Djax, Regor, Hightower and Ward are fast enough to get open. I also think Wentz is a problem when it comes to that. Was 3rd and 4 I believe, he decides to god deep, but has Djax wide open for what would have been an easy 1st down conversion. The cynic in me is wondering if the GM is making Doug call plays that avoid Ertz (contract situation) and Djax (will ask for more money if he has a good season), the two best receivers on the team, in favor of a few rookies and guys who are cheap and won't complain about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 They've been strong at DT mostly because of Fletcher Cox who is very disruptive, but they've had average guys at DE. They need to get a beast at DE to pair with Cox. Where's Avery? They traded a pick for him to be a pass rush specialist. Graham has been a decent player but he needs a much better DE on the other side to be more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portyansky Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Madriver said: The cynic in me is wondering if the GM is making Doug call plays that avoid Ertz (contract situation) and Djax (will ask for more money if he has a good season), the two best receivers on the team, in favor of a few rookies and guys who are cheap and won't complain about money. Djax is done here after his contract is up. Ertz does deserve more money, but not the amount he's thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, NOTW said: They've been strong at DT mostly because of Fletcher Cox who is very disruptive, but they've had average guys at DE. They need to get a beast at DE to pair with Cox. Where's Avery? They traded a pick for him to be a pass rush specialist. Graham has been a decent player but he needs a much better DE on the other side to be more effective. I saw Avery once yesterday. After Sweat got the sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFB DOG Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Madriver said: The cynic in me is wondering if the GM is making Doug call plays that avoid Ertz (contract situation) and Djax (will ask for more money if he has a good season), the two best receivers on the team, in favor of a few rookies and guys who are cheap and won't complain about money. LMAO. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJWolverEagle11 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: They don't have a legit play maker on the edge. BG would be a really good #2 but he's not he's a #1 on this team. Imagine having a guy like Montez Sweat or Chase Young. And then remember we went up against both last night plus Kerrigan. For a team that builds through the trenches they sure have neglected DE. Honestly thought Epenesa (sp?) was gonna be the pick at 53 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJWolverEagle11 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Portyansky said: Djax is done here after his contract is up. Ertz does deserve more money, but not the amount he's thinking. Must we wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, NJWolverEagle11 said: Honestly thought Epenesa (sp?) was gonna be the pick at 53 Possibly should have been. I mean i can't help but feel that Hurts is a completely wasted pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJWolverEagle11 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Possibly should have been. I mean i can't help but feel that Hurts is a completely wasted pick. I was livid at the pick and didn't watch any of the duration of the draft. But Carson is making that look like a logical pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said: I was livid at the pick and didn't watch any of the duration of the draft. But Carson is making that look like a logical pick Perhaps but only if they look to move on from him. They may not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsdarkstar Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 any status on Lane Johson. The health of Carson Wentz depends on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJWolverEagle11 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Perhaps but only if they look to move on from him. They may not. Yea it was only one game and the decision makers aren't gonna be as knee jerk as we are so we'll see what happens. One thing for sure is that we need to draft better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said: Honestly thought Epenesa (sp?) was gonna be the pick at 53 23 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Possibly should have been. I mean i can't help but feel that Hurts is a completely wasted pick. He's someone I thought would be a good pick but what do I know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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