11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Is he waiting to see what happens with Wentz and Ertz? 

I haven't heard Ertz's name mentioned since forever, I'm thinking nobody cares about what he does, I sure don't.

The Eagles should have traded him before the NFL came to the realization that TE's are a dime a dozen and you don't pay them like they're the face of the franchise..

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

Hypothetical: Carson does an interview and says he hasn't asked for a trade, he believes in himself and is working hard, had a good first meeting with coach Sirianni and understands it's a competition that's how the NFL is, always competing, always working to get better...

Does that make everyone shut up? Would you believe he didn't ask for a trade?  Would you stop slandering him calling him names? 

Or would it not matter and not change anyone's mind?

 

I would no longer believe that he wants a trade but my belief would be that the Eagles aren't sure if they want to keep him or not and that is why they are putting it out there that they are listening to these trade offers and I'd also then belief that the FO were the ones that were behind putting it out there that Wentz is unhappy and doesn't want to be here. It would fit their style honestly. 

6 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

I haven't heard Ertz's name mentioned since forever, I'm thinking nobody cares about what he does, I sure don't.

The Eagles should have traded him before the NFL came to the realization that TE's are a dime a dozen and you don't pay them like they're the face of the franchise..

 

Weird take.  If anything the past decade or so has show how valuable a great TE is on a championship roster.  Problem with Ertz is he had such a non-existant season this past year that teams likely feel he is washed. 

33 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Lol, why are we comparing Wentz to a player like Kelce, or more ridiculously, Cox? The situations are entirely different. Neither Kelce nor Cox have any controversy surrounding them about being traded. Neither of them have been reported to be unhappy and wanting out. Not to mention, Kelce has been pretty open about considering retirement but never been reported to be disgruntled in any way. There are no rumors swirling for them to respond to. It's like part of a general epidemic these days of people comparing two completely different things and acting like they're the same. It's laughably illogical and just seems like people are desperately grasping for a way to deny the obvious.

How dare you bring common sense and a level headed approach to this topic. You are just a WENTZ HATER.

30 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Lol, why are we comparing Wentz to a player like Kelce, or more ridiculously, Cox? The situations are entirely different. Neither Kelce nor Cox have any controversy surrounding them about being traded. Neither of them have been reported to be unhappy and wanting out. Not to mention, Kelce has been pretty open about considering retirement but never been reported to be disgruntled in any way. There are no rumors swirling for them to respond to. It's like part of a general epidemic these days of people comparing two completely different things and acting like they're the same. It's laughably illogical and just seems like people are desperately grasping for a way to deny the obvious.

Both Wentz and Kelce are under contract. Neither has stated they want to return to the Eagles next year. Wentz' silence means whatever people want to think it means. Kelce's is no big deal. I really don't know what "rumors" have to do with anything since rumors are just reports about uncertainty with a pretense of facts. The only difference between Wentz and Kelce is that Wentz is coming off a bad year and has been the target of disgruntled fans. That ... is ... all.

17 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Weird take.  If anything the past decade or so has show how valuable a great TE is on a championship roster.  Problem with Ertz is he had such a non-existant season this past year that teams likely feel he is washed. 

The point I'm making is seemingly every team has an emerging great TE, that's not to say some TE's aren't better than others.

16 hours ago, NOTW said:

petulant?  This narrative is getting ridiculous.  

I mean we all saw he had a bad year performance wise.  One of my criticisms of him was saying he wasn't going to change his style of play, always be aggressive.  

But people that know him have always said he's a high character guy.  This narrative that he's whiny, a crybaby, weak, soft, etc. is coming from media baseless "reports" and people literally saying they are "guessing" or it's their own opinion and you guys are running with it.

He sulked when he went to the bench and then his people leaked the thing about wanting a trade.  For better or for worse Doug got fired in large part because of Wentz.  Those are direct observations.  And the reporting from inside the locker room about his style wasn't baseless, it was sourced anonymously.  Big difference. Nobody's going to slam the franchise guy on the record but that doesn't mean there's not an issue.  The Inquirer did an in-depth report that's worth another read.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/carson-wentz-eagles-regression-doug-pederson-press-taylor-howie-roseman-20210116.html

And that's not to say he doesn't have a reason to be upset. Given every opportunity, the new coach refuses to give him a vote of confidence and Joe Banner is on record saying he's going the way of Jared Goff. 

All is not well in Wentz World...

13 hours ago, NOTW said:

Hypothetical: Carson does an interview and says he hasn't asked for a trade, he believes in himself and is working hard, had a good first meeting with coach Sirianni and understands it's a competition that's how the NFL is, always competing, always working to get better...

Does that make everyone shut up? Would you believe he didn't ask for a trade?  Would you stop slandering him calling him names? 

Or would it not matter and not change anyone's mind?

No it doesn't make everyone shut up. Yes I would believe it. I never have called him names.

No it wouldn't change my mind because I don't think he asked for a trade

38 minutes ago, greend said:

No it doesn't make everyone shut up. Yes I would believe it. I never have called him names.

No it wouldn't change my mind because I don't think he asked for a trade

Adam Schefter was on The Fanatic earlier this week and says Wentz still wants out.  Take it for what it's worth but Schefter is pretty good. 

45 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

He sulked when he went to the bench and then his people leaked the thing about wanting a trade.  For better or for worse Doug got fired in large part because of Wentz.  Those are direct observations.  And the reporting from inside the locker room about his style wasn't baseless, it was sourced anonymously.  Big difference. Nobody's going to slam the franchise guy on the record but that doesn't mean there's not an issue.  The Inquirer did an in-depth report that's worth another read.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/carson-wentz-eagles-regression-doug-pederson-press-taylor-howie-roseman-20210116.html

And that's not to say he doesn't have a reason to be upset. Given every opportunity, the new coach refuses to give him a vote of confidence and Joe Banner is on record saying he's going the way of Jared Goff. 

All is not well in Wentz World...

He may want to be traded.  The Eagles may want to trade him.  Those are possible.

What I argue about is the way some of you lap up everything from the media with no basis.  Yeah, yeah I get it "where there's smoke there's fire."  But you say things like "new coach refuses to give him a vote of confidence."  That's a dumb statement, sorry.  That's the kind of hyperbole that adds fuel to the narrative.  The new coach has said positive things about both QBs, has said there will be competition at every position and hasn't taken a side.  He said he has to get his coaching staff together and review film before they make any evaluations on any players.  

He hasn't "refused" to give him anything, and he doesn't have to.  He's stepping into a QB controversy and isn't going to state anything publicly to the media or for the fans.  I don't know why some of you don't get that.  Coaches aren't going to make statements to satisfy gossip.  They have a responsibility to the coaches and players to treat them with respect and be professional.  You handle those discussions in house.  It would not be professional or respectful at this early stage to make a statement in favor of either QB.  He said the right things to keep it PC and respect toward both players.

Who wouldn't sulk after being benched?  Tom Brady has thrown tantrums and hissy fits on the sidelines.  Lots of players have.  They always talk about these guys being intense competitors and when they lose, make a bad play or get benched yeah they're going to react.  They're humans with emotions.  You ever guy worked up at your job and vent?  Fans act like these players have to be perfect and act exactly as they want them to or else they're weak, soft, petulant, etc.  

As for Doug being fired because of Wentz, we have conflicting reports:

• Doug was told to bench Wentz and he didn't want to, held onto him as starter too long
• Lurie wanted Hurts to start and Doug was force to bench Wentz
• But also reported that Doug wanted Hurts as the starter going forward and the front office wanted Wentz
• And also reports that the Eagles wanted Riley to coach Hurts
• Then they hire Sirianni and the narrative shifts to them hiring Reich's OC so he can fix Wentz
• Then Sirianni hires a QB coach who knew Hurts dad when he was a kid or something so that means they're keeping Hurts

The "unnamed source" reports are all over the place.

16 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Adam Schefter was on The Fanatic earlier this week and says Wentz still wants out.  Take it for what it's worth but Schefter is pretty good. 

Based on what?

Heading into the final game of the year, he "reported" that Wentz wanted out.  Then he back pedaled and said that was just his opinion, that he wants to be a starting QB and that if he won't start, he might ask for a trade.  It was just his speculation.

Since then, he's brought it up again.  The other day he said he still wants out, and "I'm guessing a trade could still happen."  

Again, based on what?  These guys aren't naming any sources, or even saying they've spoken to unnamed sources who want to remain anonymous or anything.

 

Rich Eisen Yesterday:  a source "familiar with the Eagles' plans" said they are getting calls from teams about Wentz.

Dan Patrick Today: "I was told yesterday by a source, no one has called the Eagles about Carson Wentz."

 

 

 

And then this:

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/LesBowen/status/1357722333134401539

Just now, barho said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/LesBowen/status/1357722333134401539

 

Yep, I think it happens this weekend, likely in the hours leading up to the Super Bowl. 

We gotta prepare ourselves because it isn't going to be a good return and that is why they are going to time it for before the Super Bowl to try to avoid exposure and commentary on it.  Similar to how bad news dumps in politics usually occur on Fridays to avoid a week of daytime discussion on it. 

55 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Adam Schefter was on The Fanatic earlier this week and says Wentz still wants out.  Take it for what it's worth but Schefter is pretty good. 

I did take that for what it's worth

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Rich Eisen Yesterday:  a source "familiar with the Eagles' plans" said they are getting calls from teams about Wentz.

Dan Patrick Today: "I was told yesterday by a source, no one has called the Eagles about Carson Wentz."

 

 

 

Yes, but we should believe the media

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

We gotta prepare ourselves because it isn't going to be a good return

I saw a report today of "substantial offers," but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Yes, but we should believe the media

Like I've said.  He might be traded.  He might want out, he might want to stay.  The Eagles might want to trade him, they might want to keep him but he might be insisting on a trade.

But the "reports" are all over the place.  

And these days, gossip speculation and rumors become truth.

Imagine neither side wants a trade, but other teams hear of these "reports" and give Howie a call just to explore. Now it becomes the Eagles are "actively trying to trade Wentz."  

You never know, and people often talk about agents and team reps that leak things to drum up interest or to gain leverage in negotiations.  Patrick things the Eagles are leaking that teams are calling to generate interest that isn't there.  Who knows?

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

I saw a report today of "substantial offers," but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

 

I would be shocked if the report of substantial offers isn't coming from someone inside the Eagles. 

 

 

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I saw a report today of "substantial offers," but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

What report and from who? 

Other "reports" say there have been no calls at all.  And yet other guesses suggest it will be like Goff trade, they'll have to offer teams something to take on the contract.  Other "reports" say the Eagles won't be giving up draft picks (they're in a rebuild) and teams won't take Wentz and his contract without compensation.

So. Many. "Reports."

Who to believe?

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Yes, but we should believe the media

There's plenty of reason to read reports with a healthy degree of skepticism, but for me, the media's reporting is just confirming a sense that I've gotten about the situation surrounding Wentz, his attitude, his relationship with the organization, etc. that stretches back through the last two seasons. I think that, in this case, the reports fit the scenery, so there's more reason to take them seriously in the case of Wentz wanting out, shying away from competition, disconnection from the coaching staff, and the like.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Like I've said.  He might be traded.  He might want out, he might want to stay.  The Eagles might want to trade him, they might want to keep him but he might be insisting on a trade.

But the "reports" are all over the place.  

And these days, gossip speculation and rumors become truth.

Imagine neither side wants a trade, but other teams hear of these "reports" and give Howie a call just to explore. Now it becomes the Eagles are "actively trying to trade Wentz."  

You never know, and people often talk about agents and team reps that leak things to drum up interest or to gain leverage in negotiations.  Patrick things the Eagles are leaking that teams are calling to generate interest that isn't there.  Who knows?

Yup

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

What report and from who? 

Other "reports" say there have been no calls at all.  And yet other guesses suggest it will be like Goff trade, they'll have to offer teams something to take on the contract.  Other "reports" say the Eagles won't be giving up draft picks (they're in a rebuild) and teams won't take Wentz and his contract without compensation.

So. Many. "Reports."

Who to believe?

 

 

ESPN has reported this morning that the Eagles have received aggressive offers.  

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31124/five-potential-trade-destinations-for-philadelphia-eagles-carson-wentz

 

The wheels are in motion. One league source said their understanding is Philadelphia has already received aggressive offers. 

 

let me get my coffee, this is going to get good real fast. Seeing things heating up. Where there is smoke there is fire baby. Lets go move this bum.