20 hours ago, QBhunter58 said:

EVERY coach believes they have the ability to change a guy when they really like him (even if he has performed well or has glaring weaknesses). Its just human nature to believe we can fix things, and its the nature of coaching at the highest level.

Wentz has a higher career QR than Stafford.

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5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

ESPN has reported this morning that the Eagles have received aggressive offers.  

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31124/five-potential-trade-destinations-for-philadelphia-eagles-carson-wentz

The wheels are in motion. One league source said their understanding is Philadelphia has already received aggressive offers. 

 

And Dan Patrick says the source might be the Eagles themselves, trying to generate interest.  That his source said no one has called at all.

Again, who to believe?  Lots of different reports out there.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

And Dan Patrick says the source might be the Eagles themselves, trying to generate interest.  That his source said no one has called at all.

Again, who to believe?  Lots of different reports out there.

 

Well let's think through this logically.  If Dan Patrick's source is not the Eagles then how the hell would that source know if any of the other 31 teams in the league have called the Eagles or not to discuss a trade? 

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well let's think through this logically.  If Dan Patrick's source is not the Eagles then how the hell would that source know if any of the other 31 teams in the league have called the Eagles or not to discuss a trade? 

IDK.  Some of these "sources" are reporters own guesses.  Like I said, it's believable that they may be trying to trade him or that he wants out.  But we have conflicting reports about trade offers, and no actual source or even source close to Carson saying he wants out.  Just speculation.

It may happen.  We'll see.  But people are taking speculation as fact, and there are conflicting reports so you never know.

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

IDK.  Some of these "sources" are reporters own guesses.  Like I said, it's believable that they may be trying to trade him or that he wants out.  But we have conflicting reports about trade offers, and no actual source or even source close to Carson saying he wants out.  Just speculation.

It may happen.  We'll see.  But people are taking speculation as fact, and there are conflicting reports so you never know.

If I was a betting man I would lean on the side that we have had talks with teams about Wentz, I mean he still is young and talented, with some flaws but there are teams who would love to have him as their QB. Multiple people have come out and said there are GM's interested, that I do believe. This is a QB driven league, if Wentz is available the phones will ring. 

I don't know what the terms will be but all signs seem to be pointing to Wentz getting traded. May be soon may not be. 

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

IDK.  Some of these "sources" are reporters own guesses.  Like I said, it's believable that they may be trying to trade him or that he wants out.  But we have conflicting reports about trade offers, and no actual source or even source close to Carson saying he wants out.  Just speculation.

It may happen.  We'll see.  But people are taking speculation as fact, and there are conflicting reports so you never know.

 

Garafolo stated he has multiple sources that are confirming that teams have called the Eagles about a Wentz trade. Logically this makes sense because he could be speaking to sources from several different teams that are confirming that they have spoken with the Eagles about a possible Wentz trade.

 

There is a lot of denial going around on this board and taking Dan's "report" today as the one to believe when it logically does not make any sense just seems like wanting to try to believe that because you don't want the Eagles to trade Wentz. 

Ok. Let's say a Wentz trade goes down. What is he actually worth with that contract?

1 minute ago, Portyansky said:

Ok. Let's say a Wentz trade goes down. What is he actually worth with that contract?

I doubt they trade him without getting at least a 1st back 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Garafolo stated he has multiple sources that are confirming that teams have called the Eagles about a Wentz trade. 

There is a lot of denial going around on this board and taking Dan's "report" today as the one to believe when it logically does not make any sense just seems like wanting to try to believe that because you don't want the Eagles to trade Wentz. 

I'm not taking Dan's report as the one to believe.  And I don't want them not to trade Wentz (depending on what they get).   

I'm just pointing out there are various reports.  Some of them might seem to have some credibility.  Others (that Wentz demanded to be traded) have no basis except speculation.

I don't think Rich Eisen was lying when he said someone told him they're getting calls.  But that someone could have been anyone.  Carson's agent, Howie's staff, someone trying to plant it even if it's not true.  Then that report could make teams actually call to inquire (as intended).  Who knows?

My thing is with media reporting, that's my main issue.

3 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

Ok. Let's say a Wentz trade goes down. What is he actually worth with that contract?

Well some people think he sucks and isn't worth anything and want to get rid of him...but think that other teams are going to give up picks to get him.

Other people compare to Goff, where the Eagles would have to trade their picks to another team to compensate for taking on the contract.

The Rams have been giving out their 1st round picks like candy on Halloween so maybe not the best comparison.  You could have GMs that chalk up Carson's bad year to injury, a bad front office, etc. and looking at his prior years and thinking he just needs a new team and fresh start.  They could potentially work out a condition of a new contract with Wentz that will work for all sides.  Howie once suckered the Vikings into a 1st round pick for Bradford so who knows, maybe a GM out there will bite.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

He may want to be traded.  The Eagles may want to trade him.  Those are possible.

What I argue about is the way some of you lap up everything from the media with no basis.  Yeah, yeah I get it "where there's smoke there's fire."  But you say things like "new coach refuses to give him a vote of confidence."  That's a dumb statement, sorry.  That's the kind of hyperbole that adds fuel to the narrative.  The new coach has said positive things about both QBs, has said there will be competition at every position and hasn't taken a side.  He said he has to get his coaching staff together and review film before they make any evaluations on any players.  

He hasn't "refused" to give him anything, and he doesn't have to.  He's stepping into a QB controversy and isn't going to state anything publicly to the media or for the fans.  I don't know why some of you don't get that.  Coaches aren't going to make statements to satisfy gossip.  They have a responsibility to the coaches and players to treat them with respect and be professional.  You handle those discussions in house.  It would not be professional or respectful at this early stage to make a statement in favor of either QB.  He said the right things to keep it PC and respect toward both players.

Who wouldn't sulk after being benched?  Tom Brady has thrown tantrums and hissy fits on the sidelines.  Lots of players have.  They always talk about these guys being intense competitors and when they lose, make a bad play or get benched yeah they're going to react.  They're humans with emotions.  You ever guy worked up at your job and vent?  Fans act like these players have to be perfect and act exactly as they want them to or else they're weak, soft, petulant, etc.  

As for Doug being fired because of Wentz, we have conflicting reports:

• Doug was told to bench Wentz and he didn't want to, held onto him as starter too long
• Lurie wanted Hurts to start and Doug was force to bench Wentz
• But also reported that Doug wanted Hurts as the starter going forward and the front office wanted Wentz
• And also reports that the Eagles wanted Riley to coach Hurts
• Then they hire Sirianni and the narrative shifts to them hiring Reich's OC so he can fix Wentz
• Then Sirianni hires a QB coach who knew Hurts dad when he was a kid or something so that means they're keeping Hurts

The "unnamed source" reports are all over the place.

Yeah you have to look at it in it's totality.  If the Eagles goal was to mend fences with Wentz after firing Doug - which is what I thought they were going to do - they would be talking him up, lots of atta boys and wait 'til next year kind of stuff.  Instead, they've gone the other way.  On the other side Wentz's big extension hasn't even kicked in yet and he's sending signals he wants out. A $34 million dollar a year quarterback who may or may not want to be here is a disaster.  

Every indication from both the team and the player's camp is that a divorce is coming.  

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Other people compare to Goff, where the Eagles would have to trade their picks to another team to compensate for taking on the contract.

I also believe the contracts are different? So the cap hit sits more with the Eagles on the Wentz deal whereas Detroit are eating more of that Goff contract. I think the contract a team will get it they trade for Wentz is actually not a terrible 2 year deal. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I also believe the contracts are different? So the cap hit sits more with the Eagles on the Wentz deal whereas Detroit are eating more of that Goff contract. I think the contract a team will get it they trade for Wentz is actually not a terrible 2 year deal. 

If he gets his career back on track in 2021 and stays healthy yeah. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Based on what?

Heading into the final game of the year, he "reported" that Wentz wanted out.  Then he back pedaled and said that was just his opinion, that he wants to be a starting QB and that if he won't start, he might ask for a trade.  It was just his speculation.

Since then, he's brought it up again.  The other day he said he still wants out, and "I'm guessing a trade could still happen."  

Again, based on what?  These guys aren't naming any sources, or even saying they've spoken to unnamed sources who want to remain anonymous or anything.

 

Based on the volume of reporting around this story among other things. OK, set Schefter aside.  How about Bo Wulf in The Athletic:

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It’s not yet a done deal, but it’s getting hard to believe Carson Wentz is going to be an Eagle much longer. In many ways, this has seemed inevitable since he was benched in favor of Jalen Hurts two months ago. It’s also stunning to consider just how quickly Wentz’s place in the organization has been erased. But, for now, all signs point to the Eagles finding a trade partner for Wentz and moving on from their one-time franchise quarterback before his extension kicks in.

First, there were reports after the season that Wentz was disenchanted with the organization. Then, new head coach Nick Sirianni twisted himself in knots to avoid declaring anyone as the team’s starting quarterback while also carefully avoiding the phrase "quarterback competition.”

"What we need to do is evaluate the entire roster,” Sirianni said during his introductory news conference Jan. 29, when the first question asked him to address the quarterback situation and whether he expected Wentz to be the starting quarterback. Sirianni’s answers about the quarterback position were so vague that he was asked about it seven times, with his answers ranging from "that’s something that we have to look at and evaluate” to "as far as the starter, haven’t really thought about that yet and naming a starter” to "I can’t answer that” when asked if he could definitively say Wentz would be on the team next season.

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The new coach won't even say he thinks Wentz will be on the team next year?  It's hard not to read the tea leaves. So let's not be in denial about what's unfolding here. 

55 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I would be shocked if the report of substantial offers isn't coming from someone inside the Eagles. 

 

 

Of course it is. 

7 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

If he gets his career back on track in 2021 and stays healthy yeah. 

Agreed but even if he doesn't the contract isn't terrible. Or at least I don't think it is given what any new team actually take on?

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Agreed but even if he doesn't the contract isn't terrible. Or at least I don't think it is given what any new team actually take on?

This may sound like a dumb statement but I don't think there are contracts that aren't tradeable. If a guy wants to be traded and the team doesn't see a future with him, then it somehow will get done. Plain and simple. This happens every year in the NFL. 

Just now, Maga301 said:

This may sound like a dumb statement but I don't think there are contracts that aren't tradeable. If a guy wants to be traded and the team doesn't see a future with him, then it somehow will get done. Plain and simple. This happens every year in the NFL. 

Oh I'm not disagreeing there bud. The noises seem to be getting louder that the Eagles are going to trade Wentz. If they are correct and he does get traded then the Eagles are going to prove that a team will eat a lot of cap and money to move on from a player. 

This team has become a complete joke. I have zero interest in watching Jalen Hurts win two or three games a year. Hopefully we will be so bad next year we can fire Howie, cut Hurts and I guess start this whole QB mess over again with the first or second pick. Rinse and repeat. Who's the consensus QB to tank for next year btw? Tank for _______?

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

This team has become a complete joke. I have zero interest in watching Jalen Hurts win two or three games a year. Hopefully we will be so bad next year we can fire Howie, cut Hurts and I guess start this whole QB mess over again with the first or second pick. Rinse and repeat. Who's the consensus QB to tank for next year btw? Tank for _______?

I mean sadly I think that's where this team is headed. Perhaps 4 to 5 wins max but yeah I think this is a rebuild and it's going to be pretty painful to watch and follow. But hey as fans we will stick by them. 

5 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

This team has become a complete joke. I have zero interest in watching Jalen Hurts win two or three games a year. Hopefully we will be so bad next year we can fire Howie, cut Hurts and I guess start this whole QB mess over again with the first or second pick. Rinse and repeat. Who's the consensus QB to tank for next year btw? Tank for _______?

Yup 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean sadly I think that's where this team is headed. Perhaps 4 to 5 wins max but yeah I think this is a rebuild and it's going to be pretty painful to watch and follow. But hey as fans we will stick by them. 

If Wentz goes and kills it somewhere else that will make it all the more worse. Our descent to league laughingstock will be complete. Unless maybe we are trading for Watson? Yeah I know. Not gonna happen. 

Well at least we are now past the denial stage of Wentz being traded, anger time.

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

If Wentz goes and kills it somewhere else that will make it all the more worse. Our descent to league laughingstock will be complete. Unless maybe we are trading for Watson? Yeah I know. Not gonna happen. 

I mean yeah Howie's ego will take a hit but I guess the alternative is what? Keep him and then what if he doesn't work out still? Then they are in to that contract and it is probably harder to move on.