3 hours ago, Procus said:

At the end of the day, I'm not so sure the Wentz that was drafted in 2016 is the same Wentz today.  The younger guy seemed more humble. 

Wentz was a type A coming out of NDSU. I've heard a few times that apparently he thought he was the big man on campus or along those lines so I'm not sure he was humble? And by the way I'm not having a go at Wentz, most top QBs seem to be that way. 

19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz was a type A coming out of NDSU. I've heard a few times that apparently he thought he was the big man on campus or along those lines so I'm not sure he was humble? And by the way I'm not having a go at Wentz, most top QBs seem to be that way. 

A type personalities are generally the same. He’s been coddled all his life which makes him like most of these guys. I think he needed a reality check. I don’t think he gets it by forcing his way out of Philadelphia, but I don’t care. When he’s gone he’s no longer our problem. 

31 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz was a type A coming out of NDSU. I've heard a few times that apparently he thought he was the big man on campus or along those lines so I'm not sure he was humble? And by the way I'm not having a go at Wentz, most top QBs seem to be that way. 

He WAS big man on campus and probably big man in North Dakota.  The star athletes at most schools generally are and they have a different set of rules.  Not right, but true. 

The Type A thing...yep, most QBs on any level.  Hard to reach and supremely confident.

 

46 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

He WAS big man on campus and probably big man in North Dakota.  The star athletes at most schools generally are and they have a different set of rules.  Not right, but true. 

The Type A thing...yep, most QBs on any level.  Hard to reach and supremely confident.

 

Oh absolutely yeah. And I'm not using that as a slight on Carson. I mean look Rodgers is a type A but that doesnt mean he's a bad QB. I just don't think humble is the right word to describe Carson. 

20 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh absolutely yeah. And I'm not using that as a slight on Carson. I mean look Rodgers is a type A but that doesnt mean he's a bad QB. I just don't think humble is the right word to describe Carson. 

None of us know him well enough to know.  He is a typical star QB that ruled on the college level and then was drafted high to be a franchise altering player. My guess is that the vast majority of QBs are the same.  

If you want something really eye-opening about this subject, watch that QB1 series.  This coddling and personality starts in HS or before.

4 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

If you want something really eye-opening about this subject, watch that QB1 series.  This coddling and personality starts in HS or before.

I've watched that one i think and yeah you can absolutely see it with all of those guys. 

Can't wait to ship this guy out.  I'm perfectly cool with Foles and Hurts battling it out in TC.  If the Bears are offering the 20th pick, Foles and a 2022 mid rd conditional i'm taking it.

If I’m the Eagles the starting point of a trade should not be Bears first rounder. It should be Roquan Smith

2 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

If I’m the Eagles the starting point of a trade should not be Bears first rounder. It should be Roquan Smith

Only reason Bears would overpay and make this trade is because they think the defense is ready to win now.

2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Only reason Bears would overpay and make this trade is because they think the defense is ready to win now.

Fair enough

7 hours ago, downundermike said:

The fact is I am 100% correct, and the dude cannot answer simple questions to try to make a point because he has no point because he is wrong

We are having a discussion about the salary cap implications of a potential trade. You keep saying he’s going to give them money so they will trade him, when he has no reason to do that, and you can’t give me one reason why he would have to do it to facilitate a trade.

He doesn’t ever have to give them money. The only reason I can think he would is if the Eagles gave him a choice of which team he prefers. 
 

 The convo: Hey Carson. The bears, colts, 49ers, and patriots all have similar trade offers. We prefer the bears because the compensation is the best. However, it’s so close that if you agree to write us a check you get to pick out of the 4 teams.

7 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

He doesn’t ever have to give them money. The only reason I can think he would is if the Eagles gave him a choice of which team he prefers. 
 

 The convo: Hey Carson. The bears, colts, 49ers, and patriots all have similar trade offers. We prefer the bears because the compensation is the best. However, it’s so close that if you agree to write us a check you get to pick out of the 4 teams.

Does that even work? I would think more of a contract restructure if he gets to choose that would save eagles and new team money?

Or am I blind to contracts? lol.

Deshaun Watson is one of the best QBs in the NFL; Carson Wentz was arguably the worst starter in the league this year. I don’t know why people are even comparing the two. Scrubs like Wentz don’t get to publicly demand a trade, they would look ridiculous.

1 minute ago, Sturm said:

Does that even work? I would think more of a contract restructure if he gets to choose that would save eagles and new team money?

Or am I blind to contracts? lol.

He can’t restructure his contract and save the Eagles the dead cap hit. The dead cap hit is signing bonus and already paid. He can save the Eagles money on the cap only by agreeing to give some of the signing bonus back.

If he is traded to the Bears he will have to restructure his contract with them. It’s tricky though because the trade isn’t official until March 17th. The Eagles will have to do it for them in order to help the Bears stay under the cap. There will have to be a to of trust between the Eagles and Bears.

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

No I’m still on the same topic. You want it to be something else, cause you don’t want to admit you’re wrong. I understand, but the bottom line is your deity is leaving, because he wants leave. Have a goodnight. 

The discussion I was having with you last night is based on this post of yours.  This discussion has nothing to do with if Carson is traded, if Carson asked to be traded.  We can get back to those discussions after we finish this discussion.  You are so stuck in your I am right and need to be vindicated mode, that you can't even realize I am discussing trace scenarios with you.  Do you need your ego stroked ?? Fine.  CARSON WENTZ WILL BE TRADED.  Now that we are past that, back to the discussion.

In your post, you gave the two scenarios.  The first is what the team acquiring Carson Wentz is taking on.  Very reasonable 2021 cap hit, and they will be able to get out of that contract in 2022 for almost zero dead money.  Very good for the team acquiring him, and most talking heads agree that it is a very good contractually for the team acquiring him.

What I would like to finish, is the second part of the tweet and the bolded that you posted.  The only restructure Carson may do in a trade would be to lower cap hits for the team acquiring him, and get it converted into signing bonus money that is guaranteed, that is only benefitting Carson and the new team, has zero impact on the Eagles cap situation.

But my question again is, WHY WOULD CARSON PAY BACK BONUS MONEY TO THE EAGLES ?? It has no impact on the cap implications for the team trading for him, and would have no impact on the compensation the Eagles receive for trading him.  The only thing it would do is lower the cap hit for the Eagles.  He would be gone, why would he care about the Eagles cap situation.  If the Eagles won't trade him without this caveat, it has no impact on Carson.  He stays, and his contract becomes fully guaranteed and he gets every penny of the 25.4 million for 2021.  The problem with this scenario is the Eagles problem only.  If they do not move him before 2021 becomes fully guaranteed, then the cap hit to trade / release him is 59 million.  

So one last time, how would Carson Wentz not paying back bonus money stop a trade from happening.  I would very much like you to give me a specific reason why it would stop a trade from happening.

 

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

"There has also been some reports that Wentz is willing to renegotiate his contract to help necessitate a trade, and that he may also be open to giving back some bonus money to the Eagles just to get off that team.”

 

27 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

He doesn’t ever have to give them money. The only reason I can think he would is if the Eagles gave him a choice of which team he prefers. 
 

 The convo: Hey Carson. The bears, colts, 49ers, and patriots all have similar trade offers. We prefer the bears because the compensation is the best. However, it’s so close that if you agree to write us a check you get to pick out of the 4 teams.

Carson " No thanks.  Not going to pay you for your horrible mismanagement of this franchise, either trade me or I will sit tight and you can fully  guarantee my contract in 40 days.  Clock is ticking "

24 minutes ago, Sturm said:

Does that even work? I would think more of a contract restructure if he gets to choose that would save eagles and new team money?

Or am I blind to contracts? lol.

I'm not sure the NFLPA would be on board with Wentz giving money back.  Would immediately be used  to teams advantage in every way possible and Wentz would be a pariah in the league and his agents reputation would be severely damaged

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Carson " No thanks.  Not going to pay you for your horrible mismanagement of this franchise, either trade me or I will sit tight and you can fully  guarantee my contract in 40 days.  Clock is ticking "

You completely missed the point man.

In my scenario the Eagles are TRADING HIM REGARDLESS and taking the 34 hit if he says he wont pay back any bonus.

If he does agree to pay back some bonus then the Eagles will let him pick his team based on the offers they get.

I was just giving you a reason Carson would agree to pay money back.

Lol Wentz is so fragile that rumors say he doesn’t want Nick Foles peaking over his shoulder in Chicago. This is sad, if true.

31 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

He can’t restructure his contract and save the Eagles the dead cap hit. The dead cap hit is signing bonus and already paid. He can save the Eagles money on the cap only by agreeing to give some of the signing bonus back.

If he is traded to the Bears he will have to restructure his contract with them. It’s tricky though because the trade isn’t official until March 17th. The Eagles will have to do it for them in order to help the Bears stay under the cap. There will have to be a to of trust between the Eagles and Bears.

ahhh ok thank you. Ya i understand a lot about football and funny enough im a math guy but contracts still go over my head lol.

Just now, Sturm said:

ahhh ok thank you. Ya i understand a lot about football and funny enough im a math guy but contracts still go over my head lol.

It would be really rare for him to give a signing bonus back. This is a rare situation though. The NFLPA won’t step in though, it’s his contract and his right regardless if they like it or not. They can’t do anything.

The only times players give signing bonuses back is if they retire, in serious legal trouble, or if they have a serious non football injury.

Most smart NFL players save their signing bonus in case of the last scenario so I would assume Wentz still has most of the bonus. That’s an assumption though, no way to tell unless he just straight out said he has the money.

16 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

It would be really rare for him to give a signing bonus back. This is a rare situation though. The NFLPA won’t step in though, it’s his contract and his right regardless if they like it or not. They can’t do anything.

The only times players give signing bonuses back is if they retire, in serious legal trouble, or if they have a serious non football injury.

Most smart NFL players save their signing bonus in case of the last scenario so I would assume Wentz still has most of the bonus. That’s an assumption though, no way to tell unless he just straight out said he has the money.

I have googled and I can not find an instance of an NFL player giving back signing bonus money.  Do you know of any ??

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have googled and I can not find an instance of an NFL player giving back signing bonus money.  Do you know of any ??

I’m not aware of one for a trade. It may be a first if it happens. 

they can give back if they retire (or have too) unless team said no problem. I remember that with Luck had 25mil owed or had to give back something like that and the owner let him keep / wrote a check.

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

He doesn’t ever have to give them money. The only reason I can think he would is if the Eagles gave him a choice of which team he prefers. 

I think Indy is better for him, I'm sure Chicagoans are every bit as mean as Philadelphians.......it's a city thing.