25 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I mean, pretty much. He agreed to a massive contract with that organization less than two years ago. I think they're definitely part of the problem, but those guys are his bosses. And it really makes zero sense for Wentz to be pissed at Lurie & Co., because they backed him and gave him the extension well before it was justified, and he was given more time than pretty much anyone else would've been given to work out of his funk before he was finally benched. They put a single player against the overall wellbeing of the team and organization, and now that player feels slighted? GTFO.

That's a ridiculous stretch, but we will see soon enough.  Carson is gone (like most want).  Howie will get a bunch of picks (to abuse).   We will see if he can rebuild the mess that he created with the roster, the cap, and the wasted picks.  At some point, the needle will point to the correct person(s).  

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Anyone who compares Wentz to Mahomes doesn't know anything about football. Sorry. 

Nobody did.   

The comparison was how a mismatched, rebuilt offensive line had an effect on his success as a QB last night.

52 minutes ago, BIGGSHAUN said:

Takes like these expose stupidity

Of course it is stupid and of course people are going to continue to ride with it once Wentz is gone.

While the OLine played a factor in Wentz's play, he never got better nor did it look like he even tried to get better. His problems were a culmination of issues that he has had for the past 3 seasons. Holding on too the ball to long, not having pocket awareness, completely missing his coverage and making bad audible calls at the line. There is a reason why the Eagles looked better when Hurts was in the game.

Mahomes, while having a bad game because of the shuffle of his online, he was also playing in the Super Bowl, against the GOAT, against a really good defense. Wentz looked like this against teams like the Bengals. There really is no comparison at all.

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That's a ridiculous stretch, but we will see soon enough.

What's a stretch, that they backed him? That he was given ample opportunity to show improvement? That they put him over the team? It sure seems that way.

5 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Of course it is stupid and of course people are going to continue to ride with it once Wentz is gone.

While the OLine played a factor in Wentz's play, he never got better nor did it look like he even tried to get better. His problems were a culmination of issues that he has had for the past 3 seasons. Holding on too the ball to long, not having pocket awareness, completely missing his coverage and making bad audible calls at the line. There is a reason why the Eagles looked better when Hurts was in the game.

Mahomes, while having a bad game because of the shuffle of his online, he was also playing in the Super Bowl, against the GOAT, against a really good defense. Wentz looked like this against teams like the Bengals. There really is not comparison at all.

Absolutely. And let's not forget that some of those hero ball plays were lost to drops. There were at least two in the endzone that had they been caught would've changed the complexion of that game last night.

But that's not the case with Wentz' play. He was a turnover machine, often throwing directly to the opposing team. I never once saw Mahomes do that last night.

1 hour ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

I'd drive him there myself

Not worth it bro. I will pay for his freaking Uber just in case he broke his fragile body in my car and failed physical to be with eagles lol. Maybe his fragile ego wouldn’t like my car too hahahahah

25 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Nobody did.   

The comparison was how a mismatched, rebuilt offensive line had an effect on his success as a QB last night.

Of course, the quality of the offensive line affects QB play. Mahomes still looked pretty good and made some amazing plays. There were a few that would have been talked about for years if he could have completed them.

Wentz was statistically the worst NFL starter in the last 30 years this past season. Our line was bad, but it wasn't that bad. The line isn't making Wentz throw 5 feet over Sanders head when he's wide open in the flat or making him throw off his back foot and ignore wide open WRs down field. The time for making excuses for Wentz is long over. Howie should start wearing a ski mask if he can get a 1st round pick for him. 

1 hour ago, BIGGSHAUN said:

Actually it is about his play on the field.

It's about holding on to the ball too long when you know your line sucks.

It's about throwing into double coverage with underneath routes open.

It's about taking sacks instead of stepping up in the pocket.

So basically you're saying it's about not running the football because that's what you do when your OL "sucks" in pass protection.

The Eagles need to get a back that can run when the running gets tough,.

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

It's interesting that most people think Howie is a huge POS and Jeff Lurie is an enabler and meddles in the process, but it's all on Carson to get along with the organization.  The dynamics on this board are very unique sometimes.   Using this board, they all have issues.  If he goes, he goes, but the other problems still persist.

Yes I noticed that as well.  Many of the same people who are ripping Carson for being petulant, whiny, soft, weak, etc. for asking for a trade...also post that Howie is terrible, Lurie is meddling, Doug was fired unfairly and the organization is dysfunctional and can't draft.

There has been plenty of dysfunction to go around.  This may end up being a situation where both sides are better off, in particular Carson getting a fresh start somewhere.  

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I mean, pretty much. He agreed to a massive contract with that organization less than two years ago. I think they're definitely part of the problem, but those guys are his bosses. And it really makes zero sense for Wentz to be pissed at Lurie & Co., because they backed him and gave him the extension well before it was justified, and he was given more time than pretty much anyone else would've been given to work out of his funk before he was finally benched. They put a single player above the overall wellbeing of the team and organization, and now that player feels slighted? GTFO.

We don't even know if any of the rumors about Carson are true.  Is he asking for a trade?  Is he demanding one?  Refusing to show up for camp if he's not traded?  We have no idea.  It could be mutual where both sides have politely agreed it's time to move on, or it could be all the team trying to trade him.  

We have reports from direct sources that he has always been a good teammate and high character with strong work ethic.  We have a report from Malcolm Jenkins that the Eagles coddled his ego too much.  Every QB - heck every pro athlete - has an ego.  Normally, players are not criticized for wanting to be the starter.  Everyone wants to be the starter.  

The reports are indicating trade talks are happening.  But I don't see anything other than typical pro athlete ego to indicate Carson is a bad person, or being disloyal after getting a big contract or anything.  Some say the organization failed Carson by drafting Hurts and not getting him weapons.  So you have people who see that both ways.

constantly refreshing my windows (including EMB) is going to pay off at some point this week. I just know it 🤣

I know it sure seems like a trade is going to happen but I'm still not so sure. Do we know Wentz is willing to go anywhere to get out out of Philly? Could they just be testing the trade waters? I still think there is a chance that the Eagles and Wentz decide the best thing for everyone is that Wentz plays for the Eagles next season.  It's doubtful but I'm not ruling it out until they announce a trade.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Anyone who compares Wentz to Mahomes doesn't know anything about football. Sorry. 

You do know we’re kidding, kinda

2 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I know it sure seems like a trade is going to happen but I'm still not so sure. Do we know Wentz is willing to go anywhere to get out out of Philly? Could they just be testing the trade waters? I still think there is a chance that the Eagles and Wentz decide the best thing for everyone is that Wentz plays for the Eagles next season.  It's doubtful but I'm not ruling it out until they announce a trade.

We don't know any of that.  Lots of speculation and rumors and neither side are making statements, which they shouldn't.  Whatever talks are happening are happening internally and they don't need to be talking to the media or fans.  Drama will hurt trade value.  Whatever the motivations for the trade, whoever is pushing the trade whether Wentz, the Eagles or both mutually...the best thing is to handle PR damage control and trade value with other teams in private.  

People don't understand professionalism and leverage in negotiations.  Also sometimes one side will leak info to generate interest or drive up the price or gain leverage.  It's kind of political theater in a way.

Even after the dust settles, we may never know.  Carson will say the polite and professional thing and so will the Eagles.  Philly beat writers will talk to a guy at the hot dog stand about a  rumor then write an article about "sources familiar with the Eagles thinking" and write all sorts of drama about disgruntled this, and dysfunctional that.  Those are already happening.  In reality, we probably won't know details even after a trade.

21 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yes I noticed that as well.  Many of the same people who are ripping Carson for being petulant, whiny, soft, weak, etc. for asking for a trade...also post that Howie is terrible, Lurie is meddling, Doug was fired unfairly and the organization is dysfunctional and can't draft.

There has been plenty of dysfunction to go around.  This may end up being a situation where both sides are better off, in particular Carson getting a fresh start somewhere.  

You are right.  I think they post with such aggression (based on rumors) that the thought that they are making competing arguments in each area never crosses their mind. 

It is very well possible that there is organization wide dysfunction has created a major problem.  Lurie's theory of collaboration has already skewed the lines of who is involved in what phase and who is in charge, and thus, who is to blame.  It's just easy to target Carson or Doug, because Howie isn't on the field running for his life on TV every Sunday.  The guys all own a part of it.  However, Doug is gone and Carson appears to be gone.  Howie and Jeffrey are rebuilding the mess that they created.

The next time the blame will be clearer.  No more Doug, Chip, Andy, or Carson.

33 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

So basically you're saying it's about not running the football because that's what you do when your OL "sucks" in pass protection.

The Eagles need to get a back that can run when the running gets tough,.

I.... I don't think that's anything like what I was saying...

15 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I know it sure seems like a trade is going to happen but I'm still not so sure. Do we know Wentz is willing to go anywhere to get out out of Philly? Could they just be testing the trade waters? I still think there is a chance that the Eagles and Wentz decide the best thing for everyone is that Wentz plays for the Eagles next season.  It's doubtful but I'm not ruling it out until they announce a trade.

That boat left the dock.  This seems irreconcilable.  Best just to admit how bad this had turned out for everyone and move forward.

49 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Of course, the quality of the offensive line affects QB play. Mahomes still looked pretty good and made some amazing plays. There were a few that would have been talked about for years if he could have completed them.

Wentz was statistically the worst NFL starter in the last 30 years this past season. Our line was bad, but it wasn't that bad. The line isn't making Wentz throw 5 feet over Sanders head when he's wide open in the flat or making him throw off his back foot and ignore wide open WRs down field. The time for making excuses for Wentz is long over. Howie should start wearing a ski mask if he can get a 1st round pick for him. 

You have to be trolling hard to compare the line situation last night to what the Eagles went through this season.  "It wasn't that bad."  Hilarious.

Howie is going to get a 1st and more, because other teams don't view Carson the way that our "fans" do.  The ski mask should be on his head to cover the embarassed look on his face for screwing up the organization.  The roster, the cap situation, and the BS drafts are on him....if you want to whine about Carson's contract, that is on him, too.  The "best" part of this fiasco is that he gets to rebuild what he messed up, but he can't hide anymore after this situation.  There is no one left to blame to save his job.....unless the Owner played with his pee pee earlier in his career.

23 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I know it sure seems like a trade is going to happen but I'm still not so sure. Do we know Wentz is willing to go anywhere to get out out of Philly? Could they just be testing the trade waters? I still think there is a chance that the Eagles and Wentz decide the best thing for everyone is that Wentz plays for the Eagles next season.  It's doubtful but I'm not ruling it out until they announce a trade.

He's very likely gone and that is a good thing for all parties involved.  

Report that the team is asking for 2x1st picks for Wentz.  If true, the Bears deal floating around is way short of that.  It is also less than the Lions got from their deal with Rams.  If the team is truly trying to unload Wentz, they should get a big one, close to what they are asking, to benefit the rebuilding effort.

7 minutes ago, BIGGSHAUN said:

That boat left the dock.  This seems irreconcilable.  Best just to admit how bad this had turned out for everyone and move forward.

 

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You have to be trolling hard to compare the line situation last night to what the Eagles went through this season.

Howie is going to get a 1st and more, because other teams don't view Carson the way that our "fans" do.  The ski mask should be on his head to cover the embarassed look on his face for screwing up the organization.  The roster, the cap situation, and the BS drafts are on him....if you want to whine about Carson's contract, that is on him, too.  The "best" part of this fiasco is that he gets to rebuild what he messed up, but he can't hide anymore after this situation.  There is no one left to blame to save his job.....unless the Owner played with his pee pee earlier in his career.

He's very likely gone and that is a good thing for all parties involved.  

It sure seems very likely based on rumors. It wasn't that long ago though that rumors pointed to everyone but Siri becoming the new HC.

 

10 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Report that the team is asking for 2x1st picks for Wentz.  If true, the Bears deal floating around is way short of that.  It is also less than the Lions got from their deal with Rams.  If the team is truly trying to unload Wentz, they should get a big one, close to what they are asking, to benefit the rebuilding effort.

Link? 

If the Eagles are looking for two 1st round picks for Carson Wentz, they've been hanging around in Kensington, so they may as well drop it to one 1st because they'll be forfeiting the other to the NFL on COVID protocols anyway. Crack dealers don't wear masks. 

1 hour ago, Madriver said:

Absolutely. And let's not forget that some of those hero ball plays were lost to drops. There were at least two in the endzone that had they been caught would've changed the complexion of that game last night.

But that's not the case with Wentz' play. He was a turnover machine, often throwing directly to the opposing team. I never once saw Mahomes do that last night.

At any time during the season did Mahomes walk on water? Just curious. 

Dude got his butt kicked in big bad Philly, and it sure seems like he's doing whatever he can to get back to the safe Midwest---anywhere Midwest.

Sports Illustrated now reporting we've had it backward all along - that Lurie and Howie wanted to go with Hurts but Doug was stuck on Wentz. SI says the team now belongs to Hurts as the starter.

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/eagles-appear-all-in-on-jalen-hurts-as-the-starting-qb-this-season

It appears the Eagles’ front office is fully on board with having Jalen Hurts as the starting quarterback in 2021, after a source close to the situation told SI.com Eagle Maven that former head coach Doug Pederson wanted Carson Wentz to return as the team’s starter next season.

It had been assumed that Pederson wanted Hurts to be his starter in 2021 because it was, after all, Pederson who benched Wentz for the final four games of the season.

That was not the case.

"Doug did not buy into Hurts the way (GM Howie) Roseman did at all,” said the source, “(and) the two could not come to an agreement on his future with the team."

That indicates the firing of Pederson on Jan. 11 had more to do with his desire to have assistants such as Press Taylor and Matt Burke return and could be a reason why Wentz is angry with the front office.

Wentz appeared to be the Eagles' long-term answer at quarterback but is now the subject of swirling trade rumors and is expected to depart from the team that made him the No. 2 overall pick of the 2016 NFL Draft.

The source added, “(Wentz) wouldn't return to the Eagles even if they hired Frank Reich as head coach.”

ESPN reported during Super Bowl weekend that a trade of Wentz would happen "in the coming days,” though there was no reporting on what the compensation would look like in any supposed deal or even which team had the inside track.

Teams involved are believed to be the Bears and Colts, though it would help the Eagles immensely in what they were to receive for Wentz for at least two teams, and preferably three, to get into a bidding war for his services.

The last time the Eagles had a quarterback that wanted a trade was Sam Bradford after the team traded up twice to land in prime position to draft a franchise QB, who they believed was Wentz.

Bradford wanted out because he saw he had no long-term future with the team, and maybe Wentz ultimately feels the same way with Hurts in the picture after having to deal with the situation behind the scenes for an entire season.

Also, when Roseman claimed he could not pass on the opportunity to draft Hurts because of how the team missed out on Russell Wilson during the 2012 draft, that comment should've resonated more.

And maybe it did with Wentz, another reason for these seemingly irreconcilable differences.

With the Eagles holding all the cards in a Wentz trade, there is no reason to rush a deal on Philadelphia's end unless the compensation meets expectations.

Yet, instead of waiting the quarterback market out, the Eagles are reportedly days away from trading the unhappy quarterback and have been quietly shopping him for a while as reported by Eagle Maven.

Wentz is tied to Philadelphia regardless, but the emphasis to ship the quarterback out of town as soon as possible tells you the Eagles know the guy they want to be their quarterback, and that is Hurts.

Somewhere along the way in 2020, the franchise's outlook of Wentz changed, and Hurts is now the main focus.

If Hurts convinced Roseman he was his next opportunity at landing Wilson, how hard could it be for Hurts to convince the general manager that he's the future at quarterback?

Despite a small sample size, the rookie quarterback did in fact do enough for the team to have faith moving forward with him. Now the team is focused on trading Wentz, the quarterback they invested a ton of resources in, to test that faith.

The only passer under contract, at the moment, and guaranteed to be on the 2021 roster is Hurts.

The Eagles will undoubtedly add to the quarterback position, but as it stands, this is Hurts' team. Any player looking to take that spot away will have stiff competition.

For now, Hurts is the quarterback, and it will be intriguing to see how Roseman and company get the Russell Wilson model they envisioned when making him the 53rd pick in the 2020 NFL Draft.

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