1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I'll say this:  if it's true that Howie wants Hurts and fired Doug for not being on board and wants to trade Carson and eat $34 million in cap space and probably cut other players to make cap room...

...then Lurie MUST put the accountability on Howie.  If Hurts doesn't work out then Howie has to be fired.  This needs to be the decision that finally gets him fired.

But that would be putting the accountability on his... lover. He can't do that one, or Howie may spill the beans about their TRUE relationship.

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

If Wentz gets them to dump Howie, I'll give him another chance.

Why would he do that? According to you, Carson OWES undying loyalty to Howie for what he has done for him...an early and unearned extension.  He's his boss, you know.

1 hour ago, ShutDownDB said:

So let's see, it may be coming down to a QB that's done everything for this team including literally breaking his back or a little piece of weasel 💩 that has been slowly destroying this roster since after the SB.

Admittedly I'm a bit biased, but keep the QB and tell Howie to kick rocks.

Everyone around the league knows Howie should be fired, but Lurie won't do it. There is something more going on between Lurie and Howie, that's for damn sure.

1 minute ago, Talonblood said:

But that would be putting the accountability on his... lover. He can't do that one, or Howie may spill the beans about their TRUE relationship.

He's apparently been given the power to rebuild the incredible mess that he created of Lurie's investment.  Must be alot of peepee diddling in the past.

4 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Why would he do that? According to you, Carson OWES undying loyalty to Howie for what he has done for him...an early and unearned extension.  He's his boss, you know.

I'm only half-serious. I'm tired of Howie and really want him gone, and I don't think it would be a good situation with the QB actively trying to undermine the GM, but if given a choice, I'd definitely take Wentz over Roseman.

Well, the Bears promoted Wentzs former position coach John Defilippo: "The Bears on Monday afternoon promoted quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, adding the title of passing game coordinator to his resume." Not that it matters, but I'm watching the Colts and Bears closely as a new hobby. 🤣

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/bears-promote-carson-wentzs-former-position-coach-john-defilippo

15 minutes ago, vaff said:

Lurie fired Doug.

Yeah, and if Lurie fired Doug because he and Howie (they had to talk about that decision together) decided they're going with Hurts...then there are no more scapegoats.  

This decision will make or break Howie.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

 

Fans:  Howie is the worst, a weasel, ruined the team, failed Carson, drafts badly, bad contracts, needs to be fired!

Also (some) fans:  Wentz is a crybaby, soft, weak and disloyal for wanting to be traded away from Howie.

Both can be true 🙂

I think for me Wentz doesn't have the leadership qualities I thought he had when he first came to the NFL. I mean what has Howie done to Carson? He drafted Hurts?? Seriously? Carson needs to prove every day that he is the best QB on this team no matter who the backup QB is. If his ego is that fragile, I don't want him near this organization. Howie gave him guaranteed money and contract extension and he is threatened by a 2nd round pick at QB? 

Howie has made his fair share of mistakes. i'm not absolving him of that but Wentz has 0 reason to be rear hurt about Howie when he got such a huge guaranteed contract.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Fans:  Howie is the worst, a weasel, ruined the team, failed Carson, drafts badly, bad contracts, needs to be fired!

As bad as Howie is at drafts and contracts, he's even worse at trades, I really hope he doesn't get taken while trying to move Wentz.

7 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

But that would be putting the accountability on his... lover. He can't do that one, or Howie may spill the beans about their TRUE relationship.

Jokes aside, you have to wonder if that year off/sabattical/basement year for Howie while Chip was in power what happened.  Because Lurie had no problem demoting Howie then.  Lurie also parted ways with his former friend and colleague Joe Banner.  Howie worked under Banner and saw that happen.  Howie is smart.  Since everyone's throwing out gossip and rumors this week, what if Howie found some dirt on Lurie and has used that as leverage to prevent being fired?  

How has he continued to survive?

Really thought the firing of DP meant Wentz would stay. I really don't understand the firing since we are apparently trading Wentz. 

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Jokes aside, you have to wonder if that year off/sabattical/basement year for Howie while Chip was in power what happened.  Because Lurie had no problem demoting Howie then.  Lurie also parted ways with his former friend and colleague Joe Banner.  Howie worked under Banner and saw that happen.  Howie is smart.  Since everyone's throwing out gossip and rumors this week, what if Howie found some dirt on Lurie and has used that as leverage to prevent being fired?  

How has he continued to survive?

You think Howie is blackmailing Lurie?

10 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

As bad as Howie is at drafts and contracts, he's even worse at trades, I really hope he doesn't get taken while trying to move Wentz.

So if he's bad at drafts and contracts (and roster building and the cap), what exactly is he good at?

11 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

Really thought the firing of DP meant Wentz would stay. I really don't understand the firing since we are apparently trading Wentz. 

Connecting some dots loosely, maybe Doug was told to change QBs and didn't buy into benching Carson over rolling with the 2nd round throwing RB.  Obviously, Carson wouldn't.  Some even say that the issue is still here after the others are gone.  The needle is starting to point to The Weasel.

16 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yeah, and if Lurie fired Doug because he and Howie (they had to talk about that decision together) decided they're going with Hurts...then there are no more scapegoats.  

This decision will make or break Howie.

No it won't. There are scapegoats a plenty including processes that looked good to Jeffrey too at the time, but in the end were flawed. Oh it won't be Howie's fault...ever. That is the most maddening thing about the situation. Lurie has a consequences blind spot and Howie is sitting in the middle of it.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

True but here are facts that we do know...

1. He skipped his exit interview

2. He could have put all of this to rest by publicly saying he wants to be here

3. He never even so much as sent a tweet congratulating the new coach and stating that he wants to work with him. 

Those are facts. My opinion based on those facts is that 

1. Its not a good look for the supposed leader of the team and franchise QB

2. Those facts added with various reports lead me to believe he's an entitled delta bravo. 

All in all I'd rather move on from a guy like that, especially after a historically bad season. Even more so if we could get a 1st round pick for him. 

Responses:

1. He's not required to give a media interview the last game of the season, he was the backup QB who didn't even dress.  Not even every player gives a post-game interview.  

2. We don't know if he's being told to not speak on it, whether by his agent or the Eagles while they try to work out negotiations privately.

3. He met with his new head coach Nick Sirianni who said they had a good discussion.  He doesn't have to tweet about it.  It's sad if we're basing judgements on someone when they choose not to use social media.  He didn't say anything about Doug, didn't post anything at all until something about a charity McLeoud was doing.

Other facts we know:

1. Most QBs/athletes have egos.  When they do something we don't like we call them entitled, whiny, etc.  When they use that ego to be driven and win, we celebrate it.  Can't have it both ways. 

2. Past and current coaches and teammates have continually throughout his career said he's a good teammate, has high character and integrity, strong work ethic.  Hurts even said he was a help to him on the sidelines with discussing defensive looks and being encouraging.  Doug said Wentz handled the benching situation well and praised his character.  You do have a report from Malcolm Jenkins that the Eagles coddled his ego and should have held him more accountable.  That's a leadership problem in the coach and GM.

Opinions:

1. The franchise QB was benched, apparently Doug didn't want to but Howie and Lurie forced Doug to bench him.  He didn't even dress the final game.  In a perfect world, young people thrust into stardom would act exactly like fans on the couch and behind a laptop would like them to, but athletes have huge egos.  Would you rather he be like Watson and make public demands for a trade?  Showing yourself as disgruntled is a bad look for your potential next team.  I don't get angry or upset at an athlete for deciding not to talk to media or be on social media.  That's not professional, and it's sad that we judge people for backwards reasons like that.  We should be glad an athlete isn't airing dirty laundry in the media or on Twitter.

2. This might just be a classic case of both sides mutually agreeing it's time to part ways.  The Eagles are dysfunctional and Howie is a weasel and a recent report (if true) states Wentz doesn't have a problem with Lurie or the coaches, it's Howie.  If this were another player without controversy around them wanting to be traded because of Howie, fans would be all in on supporting the player and excited that it might finally show that Howie is the problem.  

 

4 hours ago, Ajxxx said:

Not worth it bro. I will pay for his freaking Uber just in case he broke his fragile body in my car and failed physical to be with eagles lol. Maybe his fragile ego wouldn’t like my car too hahahahah

I'd be concerned if he felt too insecure and insisted upon driving himself. Then we'd likely end up in North Dakota somewhere

22 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm only half-serious. I'm tired of Howie and really want him gone, and I don't think it would be a good situation with the QB actively trying to undermine the GM, but if given a choice, I'd definitely take Wentz over Roseman.

Many of the things tagged to Carson have a strong association to contracts, cap, roster construction, lost drafts, staffing, and organizational culture....and that is ALL Howie.

So, if I have my choice, it is Howie, as well.

 

@NOTW continues to be 100% on point.  Out of likes for now, so, LIKE

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Responses:

1. He's not required to give a media interview the last game of the season, he was the backup QB who didn't even dress.  Not even every player gives a post-game interview.  

2. We don't know if he's being told to not speak on it, whether by his agent or the Eagles while they try to work out negotiations privately.

3. He met with his new head coach Nick Sirianni who said they had a good discussion.  He doesn't have to tweet about it.  It's sad if we're basing judgements on someone when they choose not to use social media.  He didn't say anything about Doug, didn't post anything at all until something about a charity McLeoud was doing.

Other facts we know:

1. Most QBs/athletes have egos.  When they do something we don't like we call them entitled, whiny, etc.  When they use that ego to be driven and win, we celebrate it.  Can't have it both ways. 

2. Past and current coaches and teammates have continually throughout his career said he's a good teammate, has high character and integrity, strong work ethic.  Hurts even said he was a help to him on the sidelines with discussing defensive looks and being encouraging.  Doug said Wentz handled the benching situation well and praised his character.  You do have a report from Malcolm Jenkins that the Eagles coddled his ego and should have held him more accountable.  That's a leadership problem in the coach and GM.

Opinions:

1. The franchise QB was benched, apparently Doug didn't want to but Howie and Lurie forced Doug to bench him.  He didn't even dress the final game.  In a perfect world, young people thrust into stardom would act exactly like fans on the couch and behind a laptop would like them to, but athletes have huge egos.  Would you rather he be like Watson and make public demands for a trade?  Showing yourself as disgruntled is a bad look for your potential next team.  I don't get angry or upset at an athlete for deciding not to talk to media or be on social media.  That's not professional, and it's sad that we judge people for backwards reasons like that.  We should be glad an athlete isn't airing dirty laundry in the media or on Twitter.

2. This might just be a classic case of both sides mutually agreeing it's time to part ways.  The Eagles are dysfunctional and Howie is a weasel and a recent report (if true) states Wentz doesn't have a problem with Lurie or the coaches, it's Howie.  If this were another player without controversy around them wanting to be traded because of Howie, fans would be all in on supporting the player and excited that it might finally show that Howie is the problem.  

That is the BEST post of the 189 pages of this topic.  Excellent job.  I'd give 1000 likes, if I could.

24 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

You think Howie is blackmailing Lurie?

I don't know man.  How does he keep his job?  Ha.  Even announcers during several games this year were ripping Howie's drafting and bad contracts and pointing out the cap situation.

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Responses:

1. He's not required to give a media interview the last game of the season, he was the backup QB who didn't even dress.  Not even every player gives a post-game interview.  

2. We don't know if he's being told to not speak on it, whether by his agent or the Eagles while they try to work out negotiations privately.

3. He met with his new head coach Nick Sirianni who said they had a good discussion.  He doesn't have to tweet about it.  It's sad if we're basing judgements on someone when they choose not to use social media.  He didn't say anything about Doug, didn't post anything at all until something about a charity McLeoud was doing.

Other facts we know:

1. Most QBs/athletes have egos.  When they do something we don't like we call them entitled, whiny, etc.  When they use that ego to be driven and win, we celebrate it.  Can't have it both ways. 

2. Past and current coaches and teammates have continually throughout his career said he's a good teammate, has high character and integrity, strong work ethic.  Hurts even said he was a help to him on the sidelines with discussing defensive looks and being encouraging.  Doug said Wentz handled the benching situation well and praised his character.  You do have a report from Malcolm Jenkins that the Eagles coddled his ego and should have held him more accountable.  That's a leadership problem in the coach and GM.

Opinions:

1. The franchise QB was benched, apparently Doug didn't want to but Howie and Lurie forced Doug to bench him.  He didn't even dress the final game.  In a perfect world, young people thrust into stardom would act exactly like fans on the couch and behind a laptop would like them to, but athletes have huge egos.  Would you rather he be like Watson and make public demands for a trade?  Showing yourself as disgruntled is a bad look for your potential next team.  I don't get angry or upset at an athlete for deciding not to talk to media or be on social media.  That's not professional, and it's sad that we judge people for backwards reasons like that.  We should be glad an athlete isn't airing dirty laundry in the media or on Twitter.

2. This might just be a classic case of both sides mutually agreeing it's time to part ways.  The Eagles are dysfunctional and Howie is a weasel and a recent report (if true) states Wentz doesn't have a problem with Lurie or the coaches, it's Howie.  If this were another player without controversy around them wanting to be traded because of Howie, fans would be all in on supporting the player and excited that it might finally show that Howie is the problem.  

 

 

 

Wentz skipped his exit interview with the team, not just the media.  

18 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

No it won't. There are scapegoats a plenty including processes that looked good to Jeffrey too at the time, but in the end were flawed. Oh it won't be Howie's fault...ever. That is the most maddening thing about the situation. Lurie has a consequences blind spot and Howie is sitting in the middle of it.

I know we feel that way, and yes there is opportunity for Sirianni or Weidl or even Hurts or others to be made scapegoats.

But Lurie also isn't dumb.  He sat in that press conference which was about firing Doug and majority of the questions from reporters were about why does Howie still have a job?  He made really, really lame excuses for him.  But he has to know national media and even in-game announcers were trashing Howie's drafting and even handling of the cap situation.  Lurie is obviously aware of the cap and if they trade Wentz, Lurie is paying him $34 million to play for another team while the team is going all in on Hurts, and probably having to cut other players to make cap space...

Something's gotta give. 

So here’s what we know about the Wentz situation, absolutely nothing, just a bunch of media/fan speculation. The only people that truly know what’s going on are those inside the Eagles organization.

What we do know for sure is that Howie is a little weasel that stinks at drafting and being a GM but Lurie won’t fire his a$$.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I know we feel that way, and yes there is opportunity for Sirianni or Weidl or even Hurts or others to be made scapegoats.

But Lurie also isn't dumb.  He sat in that press conference which was about firing Doug and majority of the questions from reporters were about why does Howie still have a job?  He made really, really lame excuses for him.  But he has to know national media and even in-game announcers were trashing Howie's drafting and even handling of the cap situation.  Lurie is obviously aware of the cap and if they trade Wentz, Lurie is paying him $34 million to play for another team while the team is going all in on Hurts, and probably having to cut other players to make cap space...

Something's gotta give. 

If only the world had that kind of accountability. See James L. Dolan as the prototypical boob. It really looks like Lurie sees Howie like a son and its his sandbox at the end of the day.