40 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Jokes aside, you have to wonder if that year off/sabattical/basement year for Howie while Chip was in power what happened.  Because Lurie had no problem demoting Howie then.  Lurie also parted ways with his former friend and colleague Joe Banner.  Howie worked under Banner and saw that happen.  Howie is smart.  Since everyone's throwing out gossip and rumors this week, what if Howie found some dirt on Lurie and has used that as leverage to prevent being fired?  

How has he continued to survive?

Lurie is certainly loyal to a fault. I think in his mind, he fears making a hasty decision, partly why Reid was here so long. He would have a bad year like in 05, but then win the division and a playoff game in 06. Miss in 07, then almost make the Super Bowl in 08. It wasn't until the disasters of 11 and 12 that Lurie finally noticed the downward trend. Same with Chip. People cling to his winning record, but was clearly trending downward. Afterwards, we get Howie 2.0, and in year 2 of Howie 2.0, we win a Super Bowl, and the fact remains, it was in large part due to Howie's personnel decisions that year, hence him winning Executive of the Year. 2 years of playoffs followed, even though they were largely fools gold. Lurie saw the Fools Gold in 2011, but the Super Bowl trophy must be really shiny because it has blinded him to how poorly Howie has done since 2017. I think Lurie will have his limits, but sadly, that Super Bowl bought Howie a lot more time than he deserves.

41 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So if he's bad at drafts and contracts (and roster building and the cap), what exactly is he good at?

Evading any responsibility.

56 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

As bad as Howie is at drafts and contracts, he's even worse at trades, I really hope he doesn't get taken while trying to move Wentz.

He’s actually been really good with trades.

27 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Responses:

1. He's not required to give a media interview the last game of the season, he was the backup QB who didn't even dress.  Not even every player gives a post-game interview.  

2. We don't know if he's being told to not speak on it, whether by his agent or the Eagles while they try to work out negotiations privately.

3. He met with his new head coach Nick Sirianni who said they had a good discussion.  He doesn't have to tweet about it.  It's sad if we're basing judgements on someone when they choose not to use social media.  He didn't say anything about Doug, didn't post anything at all until something about a charity McLeoud was doing.

Other facts we know:

1. Most QBs/athletes have egos.  When they do something we don't like we call them entitled, whiny, etc.  When they use that ego to be driven and win, we celebrate it.  Can't have it both ways. 

2. Past and current coaches and teammates have continually throughout his career said he's a good teammate, has high character and integrity, strong work ethic.  Hurts even said he was a help to him on the sidelines with discussing defensive looks and being encouraging.  Doug said Wentz handled the benching situation well and praised his character.  You do have a report from Malcolm Jenkins that the Eagles coddled his ego and should have held him more accountable.  That's a leadership problem in the coach and GM.

Opinions:

1. The franchise QB was benched, apparently Doug didn't want to but Howie and Lurie forced Doug to bench him.  He didn't even dress the final game.  In a perfect world, young people thrust into stardom would act exactly like fans on the couch and behind a laptop would like them to, but athletes have huge egos.  Would you rather he be like Watson and make public demands for a trade?  Showing yourself as disgruntled is a bad look for your potential next team.  I don't get angry or upset at an athlete for deciding not to talk to media or be on social media.  That's not professional, and it's sad that we judge people for backwards reasons like that.  We should be glad an athlete isn't airing dirty laundry in the media or on Twitter.

2. This might just be a classic case of both sides mutually agreeing it's time to part ways.  The Eagles are dysfunctional and Howie is a weasel and a recent report (if true) states Wentz doesn't have a problem with Lurie or the coaches, it's Howie.  If this were another player without controversy around them wanting to be traded because of Howie, fans would be all in on supporting the player and excited that it might finally show that Howie is the problem.  

 

 In terms of the benching, it would make sense as a former QB, career backup basically, for Doug not to want to bench Wentz.  He’s in a different position now being the HC but after the FO made him fire Groh, Doug may not have cared and knew he wasn’t coming back in 2021.   No one can convince me Doug was happy with the Hurts pick, or had anything to do with it. 
 If Wentz is pissed at Roseman he knows the Scouts advised  Jefferson and Chin, not Reagor and Hurts, but it doesn’t matter cause Howie’s a cockroach.  I’m old enough to remember the Nuke drills in elementary school, now the joke wouldn’t be cockroaches surviving, it would be Howie.  
 Wentz wouldn’t be the first player, member of the FO, etc..., that couldn’t stand Howie, he won’t be the last because Howie isn’t going anywhere. 

9 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 If Wentz is pissed at Roseman he knows the Scouts advised  Jefferson and Chin, not Reagor and Hurts, but it doesn’t matter cause Howie’s a cockroach.  
 

That one sentence should make everyone mad to their core.  More Jefferson and Chinn and less Howie is what we all deserve. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Responses:

1. He's not required to give a media interview the last game of the season, he was the backup QB who didn't even dress.  Not even every player gives a post-game interview.  

2. We don't know if he's being told to not speak on it, whether by his agent or the Eagles while they try to work out negotiations privately.

3. He met with his new head coach Nick Sirianni who said they had a good discussion.  He doesn't have to tweet about it.  It's sad if we're basing judgements on someone when they choose not to use social media.  He didn't say anything about Doug, didn't post anything at all until something about a charity McLeoud was doing.

Other facts we know:

1. Most QBs/athletes have egos.  When they do something we don't like we call them entitled, whiny, etc.  When they use that ego to be driven and win, we celebrate it.  Can't have it both ways. 

2. Past and current coaches and teammates have continually throughout his career said he's a good teammate, has high character and integrity, strong work ethic.  Hurts even said he was a help to him on the sidelines with discussing defensive looks and being encouraging.  Doug said Wentz handled the benching situation well and praised his character.  You do have a report from Malcolm Jenkins that the Eagles coddled his ego and should have held him more accountable.  That's a leadership problem in the coach and GM.

Opinions:

1. The franchise QB was benched, apparently Doug didn't want to but Howie and Lurie forced Doug to bench him.  He didn't even dress the final game.  In a perfect world, young people thrust into stardom would act exactly like fans on the couch and behind a laptop would like them to, but athletes have huge egos.  Would you rather he be like Watson and make public demands for a trade?  Showing yourself as disgruntled is a bad look for your potential next team.  I don't get angry or upset at an athlete for deciding not to talk to media or be on social media.  That's not professional, and it's sad that we judge people for backwards reasons like that.  We should be glad an athlete isn't airing dirty laundry in the media or on Twitter.

2. This might just be a classic case of both sides mutually agreeing it's time to part ways.  The Eagles are dysfunctional and Howie is a weasel and a recent report (if true) states Wentz doesn't have a problem with Lurie or the coaches, it's Howie.  If this were another player without controversy around them wanting to be traded because of Howie, fans would be all in on supporting the player and excited that it might finally show that Howie is the problem.  

 

Exit interviews are when the players meet with the coach, not the media. They are supposed to go. He was historically bad. One of the worst seasons a starting QB has ever had. He was benched and deservedly so. He pouted about it. Dude flat out can’t play. If they can get a 1st round pick for a guy who can’t play, they should. Feel free to root for him on his next team. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

@NOTW continues to be 100% on point.  Out of likes for now, so, LIKE

Let me guess, you were a big Kevin Kolb fan. I’ll never understand the love affair with such a horrible player. Is it that you guys just don’t want to admit you were wrong? I’m an eagles fan. Meaning I want the team to actually win games. I prefer players who can play football over ones who can’t. 

2 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

 Oh NO he didn't get on Twitter?!? Jesus H what kind of a leader doesn't go on social media to welcome the new guys?? 

🤡

He can send smoke signals for all I care. If the national media was all saying I hated my job and wanted to work elsewhere, I’d probably want to clear the record if it wasn’t true. You Wentz boot lickers are something else. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Jokes aside, you have to wonder if that year off/sabattical/basement year for Howie while Chip was in power what happened.  Because Lurie had no problem demoting Howie then.  Lurie also parted ways with his former friend and colleague Joe Banner.  Howie worked under Banner and saw that happen.  Howie is smart.  Since everyone's throwing out gossip and rumors this week, what if Howie found some dirt on Lurie and has used that as leverage to prevent being fired?  

How has he continued to survive?

I really think Howie has some sort of blackmail info. I mean how is it he outlasts 4 head coaches, Joe Banner, and a list of others? He has some sensitive blackmail info. You know what I would do if I were Lurie? I would call his bluff and let him reveal it. People most likely could sympathize more with the person being "blackmail-ee" than the blackmail-er. Call his bluff, let Howie do his weasel thing, THEN ban him for life. 🤣 Unless, of course.... that info puts you in prison. Then it's a whole other issue.

4 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You have to be trolling hard to compare the line situation last night to what the Eagles went through this season.  "It wasn't that bad."  Hilarious.

Howie is going to get a 1st and more, because other teams don't view Carson the way that our "fans" do.  The ski mask should be on his head to cover the embarassed look on his face for screwing up the organization.  The roster, the cap situation, and the BS drafts are on him....if you want to whine about Carson's contract, that is on him, too.  The "best" part of this fiasco is that he gets to rebuild what he messed up, but he can't hide anymore after this situation.  There is no one left to blame to save his job.....unless the Owner played with his pee pee earlier in his career.

He's very likely gone and that is a good thing for all parties involved.  

Yeah the line was so horrible a below average rookie 2nd round draft pick was able to play behind it. Even when the line was one of the best in football, Wentz still sucked. Dude can’t even hit a 5 yard RB screen pass. High school quarterbacks can make that throw. Yes he’s gone and for good reason. Good riddance. Go root for the bears or colts. 

4 minutes ago, Gannan said:

He can send smoke signals for all I care. If the national media was all saying I hated my job and wanted to work elsewhere, I’d probably want to clear the record if it wasn’t true. You Wentz boot lickers are something else. 

So you would take to social media to clear your name instead of talking to your boss 1 on 1? 

You're weird 

Just now, ShutDownDB said:

So you would take to social media to clear your name instead of talking to your boss 1 on 1? 

You're weird 

Yes, but that’s besides the point.
 

If he talked to every single one of his teammates then fine. He hasn’t. All the national media has talked about for months is that he doesn’t want to be here. It would take him half a minute to put that to rest and say he wants to be here. He hasn’t, which is probably why they’re trading him...because they know he doesn’t want to be here.

In the end though it’s always better to cut bait on a player in decline if you can get something for him. We’ve seen the best of Wentz. He’s not getting any better.

9 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Chiefs had the worst performance i have seen from an OLine all year and that's saying a lot cuz i watched a lot of eagles.  it was like the 2nd half of the Skins opener all game long.

It was a bad situation for sure. I don't believe it was the worst O-line performance of the year. But Reid fell into his old trap. When his line was struggling to provide time, he didn't bring in help and kept trying to find the big play to get back in the game quickly. I'm not sure what was in his feed bag last night. 

12 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Yeah the line was so horrible a below average rookie 2nd round draft pick was able to play behind it. Even when the line was one of the best in football, Wentz still sucked. Dude can’t even hit a 5 yard RB screen pass. High school quarterbacks can make that throw. Yes he’s gone and for good reason. Good riddance. Go root for the bears or colts. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Yes, but that’s besides the point.
 

If he talked to every single one of his teammates then fine. He hasn’t. All the national media has talked about for months is that he doesn’t want to be here. It would take him half a minute to put that to rest and say he wants to be here. He hasn’t, which is probably why they’re trading him...because they know he doesn’t want to be here.

In the end though it’s always better to cut bait on a player in decline if you can get something for him. We’ve seen the best of Wentz. He’s not getting any better.

How do you know he hasn't talked to his teammates, did you ask them?

At one point I thought he didn't want to come back because it looked like Pederson was staying, now if the report is to be believed it has always been Howie. Quite frankly I don't blame him, this Org is becoming a joke with Lurie allowing Howie is spread his venom and dysfunction from top to bottom.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Yeah, and if Lurie fired Doug because he and Howie (they had to talk about that decision together) decided they're going with Hurts...then there are no more scapegoats.  

This decision will make or break Howie.

Howie is responsible for the premature Wentz  megadeal AND drafting Hurts. 

Nobody plays both sides better.  He should have been a divorce attorney.

 

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Exit interviews are when the players meet with the coach, not the media. They are supposed to go. He was historically bad. One of the worst seasons a starting QB has ever had. He was benched and deservedly so. He pouted about it. Dude flat out can’t play. If they can get a 1st round pick for a guy who can’t play, they should. Feel free to root for him on his next team. 

Everyone so far has been talking about him not speaking to the media so that's what I thought you were referencing. Desean Jackson skipped his end of year meeting with Chip, and people defended him and criticized Chip for cutting him.

I have repeatedly acknowledged his horrible season. I called for him to be benched. I argued with apologists who blamed the other players and coaches. I expect him to be traded. Spare me the nonsense about rooting for him on his next team.  I'm arguing points about expectations of public comments vs keeping things private and professional.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Yes, but that’s besides the point.
 

If he talked to every single one of his teammates then fine. He hasn’t. All the national media has talked about for months is that he doesn’t want to be here. It would take him half a minute to put that to rest and say he wants to be here. He hasn’t, which is probably why they’re trading him...because they know he doesn’t want to be here.

In the end though it’s always better to cut bait on a player in decline if you can get something for him. We’ve seen the best of Wentz. He’s not getting any better.

Wentz has the talent to be league MVP. It's mental with him. Can that be fixed? Not sure. Maybe it will take a change of scenery, but I would have liked to have seen him with a new coaching staff for a year. Won't happen at this point. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt them. 

Rookie year he was obviously good. He worked with a QB guru in the offseason and his second year he was almost league MVP. Then the OC leaves and he immediately starts to regress. Is that all on Doug? No, but it's a shame they didn't put better coaches around him. That's on Doug. 

We'll see what happens. He's gone at this point because of Howie's ego, so it doesn't really matter at this point. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-promote-carson-wentz-former-222334970.html
 

Looks like the Bears are setting themselves up to give Carson a heavy dose of the discipline he sorely needs despite the fact he doesn’t realize it. 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-promote-carson-wentz-former-222334970.html
 

Looks like the Bears are setting themselves up to give Carson a heavy dose of the discipline he sorely needs despite the fact he doesn’t realize it. 

He might be tougher but I question how good of a coach he actually is. Dude bounced from one team to the next not really making any offense or QB better. I'm still giving Reich the credit for Wentz early success. 

16 hours ago, Gannan said:

Anyone who compares Wentz to Mahomes doesn't know anything about football. Sorry. 

I can compare myself to Mahomes. We both have 2 arms and 2 legs. There, I said it.

Another day of pure speculation to follow, I’m getting my popcorn ready, lol.

I just read an article on NJ.com saying that now Wentz is not going to be traded quickly and it is still possible that Carson returns to the Eagles if they don’t get their asking price. You got to love these reporters that throw anything out there hoping their the first one’s to have the scoop.

I wonder if people are still going to deny that Wentz wants out, after he’s traded?

12 minutes ago, vaff said:

I wonder if people are still going to deny that Wentz wants out, after he’s traded?

I’m sure Carson does want out, hell, I have been an Eagles fan for 53 years and I want out with the little weasel Howie running things. He has ruined the team for at least the next several years. How that guy still has his GM position is beyond me.

55 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He might be tougher but I question how good of a coach he actually is. Dude bounced from one team to the next not really making any offense or QB better. I'm still giving Reich the credit for Wentz early success. 

The word is he can be quite abrasive with people so I’m sure he and Wentz bunted heads a lot.