Franchise QB y'all.  $32M/yr y'all.

12 hours ago, Miami said:

It’s a little bit of both, player and coach.  But Doug will go first because we don’t have an ‘out’ in Wentz’s contract until after next season I think.  Doug basically has this season to straighten out Wentz and the team.  After an 0-2 start.

Well they could just say F it and try Hurts. If he outperforms Wentz, then Carson becomes a very expensive backup next season until they can get out of that contract. 
 

Sucks to have a guy I’m making that much on the bench but less damaging if his replacement is on a rookie 2nd round pick contract. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Whatever is going on they better figure it out soon. The defense as well. Those guys look horrible right now. 

With all the focus in Wentz, justifiably so, the defense is. It getting the heat they deserve.  Once again, after a turnover ( Sanders fumble ) they do not even give the slightest resistance and give up the TD.

10 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Anyone blaming coaching for Wentz's regression is stupid.

First of all, Wentz isn't as quick or athletic as he was in 2017. Obviously the knee injury took it's toll on him in that regard. Second, how is coaching going to fix poor decision making and erratic accuracy issues. The guy is in his 5th year in the NFL. He is now being paid 32 million dollars a year. All of the coaching, all of the play calling, all of the coddling Carson in the world isn't going to fix those issues. Could better coaching and play calling, perhaps. It's time for the hold out fans to stop acting as if Wentz is a young developing QB because he isn't anymore.

Let me ask this question. What good will coaching do when Wentz has Goedert completely wide open for a TD and doesn't see him. What good will coaching do when Wentz can't accurately throw a 5 yard pass to a RB. Enough with over analyzing and making excuses for this guy. He needs to be a lot better.

I don't understand this. It sounds like you're saying better coaching can fix these things, and you're right they can. But I don't see anyone on this board giving Wentz a free pass. 

Coaching is more than Xs and Os, it's teaching and molding these men, who are very young. Doug just calls them "soft" at a public practice. How is that helping?

Demand that for his 32 mil he get a QB guru and works in the offseason to improve his craft, instead of running away to North Dakota to go fishing and showing up out of shape. That's one example of how FO and coaching leadership could have an impact. All of these things should be in his contract and it's a failure on the part of the FO that this apparently hasn't happened.

With pro athletes you have to use money and the threat of losing it to get their attention.

It is officially time to be alarmed about Wentz.

His regression as he heads into what should be the prime of his career is deeply concerning.  

No excuses for yesterday.  The OL played better than anything we could reasonably expect. Jackson and Reagor combined for 10 catches for more than 100 yards and Sanders averaged almost 5 yards a carry.  This season is starting off like a train wreck and Wentz is the conductor.  What now?  

44 minutes ago, downundermike said:

With all the focus in Wentz, justifiably so, the defense is. It getting the heat they deserve.  Once again, after a turnover ( Sanders fumble ) they do not even give the slightest resistance and give up the TD.

That is the biggest worry for me. We know Wentz can play, he is just in a deep deep rut right now. The defense on the other hand is not in a rut. Outside of a few guys, they're just not good at all.

There was a thread last weak speculating if he may have been hurt in the Washington game and maybe even playing with a sports hernia. I wonder if that could explain his poor play and unwillingness to run at all. 

3 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

That is the biggest worry for me. We know Wentz can play, he is just in a deep deep rut right now. The defense on the other hand is not in a rut. Outside of a few guys, they're just not good at all.

Bench / cut Gerry and get Taylor out there to see what we have.  Couldn’t be any worse.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

With all the focus in Wentz, justifiably so, the defense is. It getting the heat they deserve.  Once again, after a turnover ( Sanders fumble ) they do not even give the slightest resistance and give up the TD.

This defense hasn’t been good since 2017 and everyone knows it, but for the money this defensive line is getting paid they should be producing much more than they do. These linebackers just got completely exposed especially Gerry (another Howie gem) and the DC has been given a long pass, but he can’t even make simple adjustments. It’s time to replace Schwartz and break up the Dline. Maybe not at this very moment, but by the end of the season they need change, cause they can fail to get to the quarterback without spending all the money they do. 

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

Franchise QB y'all.  $32M/yr y'all.

That is worrisome.  Most off target throws of any QB and 75% have come when he has had time in a safe pocket to make them.  Something is definitely off with him, question is whether it's a mechanics or mental thing?  They need to sort this out ASAP, but again, question is do they have the proper staff to do it?  From the whispers on the media winds it sounds like he isn't being challenged or questioned by his current coaches, that none of them are on his arse about his mechanics like DeFilippo was.  And I think most of us agree that the playing calling on O has become rather vanilla and predictable.  I don't think the play calling plays to Wentz's strengths.  This O is like a rowboat where each rower is doing whatever they want instead of hitting their strides at the same time in the same direction.  

 

4 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

That is worrisome.  Most off target throws of any QB and 75% have come when he has had time in a safe pocket to make them.  Something is definitely off with him, question is whether it's a mechanics or mental thing?  They need to sort this out ASAP, but again, question is do they have the proper staff to do it?  From the whispers on the media winds it sounds like he isn't being challenged or questioned by his current coaches, that none of them are on his arse about his mechanics like DeFilippo was.  And I think most of us agree that the playing calling on O has become rather vanilla and predictable.  I don't think the play calling plays to Wentz's strengths.  This O is like a rowboat where each rower is doing whatever they want instead of hitting their strides at the same time in the same direction.  

 

First off it’s both. It’s in his head and his mechanics are off. To your second part I hear Doug on the radio this morning say Carson is fine so if they think in house everything is okay then it’s going to be a long season. 

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Bench / cut Gerry and get Taylor out there to see what we have.  Couldn’t be any worse.

I tend to agree, but I don’t want to lose the young players in the process. Right now though I don’t see how you put Gerry back out there on a regular basis. Every team will be scheming to isolate and expose him.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

First off it’s both. It’s in his head and his mechanics are off. To your second part I hear Doug on the radio this morning say Carson is fine so if they think in house everything is okay then it’s going to be a long season. 

That's bothersome if they really think he's fine.  It's OK as the HC to back your player and not mention things to the press that you want to keep in house, so I'm hoping that's the case here and not that they truly believe all is well.

 

Just now, Green_Guinness said:

That's bothersome if they really think he's fine.  It's OK as the HC to back your player and not mention things to the press that you want to keep in house, so I'm hoping that's the case here and not that they truly believe all is well.

 

He was kind of protecting Carson and JJAW on the interception. He didn’t place blame, but basically said as a group we need to do better. He also paused before he spoke so I clearly felt he was trying to protect his players. So with that being the case it seems like he could have said something similar regarding Carson’s struggles. He just in an as a matter of fact type of way said he’s fine. There was a distinct difference in these two responses. 

30 minutes ago, eggs said:

There was a thread last weak speculating if he may have been hurt in the Washington game and maybe even playing with a sports hernia. I wonder if that could explain his poor play and unwillingness to run at all. 

I saw that but it never appeared anywhere else. 

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I tend to agree, but I don’t want to lose the young players in the process. Right now though I don’t see how you put Gerry back out there on a regular basis. Every team will be scheming to isolate and expose him.

To be honest this season is basically a lost cause anyway. I think we would be better off starting out 1-5 (or 0-6... not even convinced they can beat the Bengals). Force the coaches to acknowledge this season is done and get the young kids as much playing experience as possible for the final 10 games. Get Hurts in at QB. Replace Mills or McLeod with Wallace. Reagor, Hightower and Ward as your top 3 receivers.  Use Taylor, Bradley and Edwards as your linebackers. 
 

Get all the youth on the field and let them have their growing pains, and see who rises to the occasion. Who knows, maybe Hurts shows he has the "it” factor and steals the job. 

8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Again though... Foles is streaky. Always has been. That's why he's not been able to nail down a starting role wherever he's been. 

And no right now Wentz isn't. Who knows what the future holds now for Wentz. But I do believe they made the right decision not going with Foles. 

That's true, although I'd say injuries have kept him from keeping a starting role even more so than being streaky. 

I would have been okay with them starting Wentz, I just didn't like how he was handed the keys right back and Foles was allowed to walk despite Wentz' injury history and his own streakiness. 

2 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Franchise QB y'all.  $32M/yr y'all.

and he has a total of 9 rushing yards through 2 games.     

If he's injured he needs to stop hurting the team and sit.

2 hours ago, Sturm said:

Now on to Wentz and another bad game.  I still believe Wentz has all the talent in the world but keeps making bone head play after bone head play. In all honesty I still believe it comes down to Coach and QB being on the same page. Doug is clear he wants to run these type of plays and Carson just can't do it. That doesn't mean Carson is bad QB but this Duo we have of QB and Coach is not working. There was a tweet by Eliot stating something I thought was interesting "As a QB/HC duo, Carson Wentz and Doug Pederson are 7-15 against teams that are not WSH/NYG since the start of 2018" If we keep falling the way we do we will need either a change at QB or Coach but 1 has to go IF we keep on this trend.

Interesting observations . . . I'll admit I hadn't considered those notions. If true it casts an entirely different light on Pederson's coaching. Reminds me of Randall Cunningham trying to play for Rich Kotite & Ray Rhodes: It was never gonna happen. After leaving Philly Randall took 1996 off and then hooked up with the Vikings. He had his best year ever as a pro with the Vikes in 1998 going 15 - 1 . . . but the team somehow choked to Atlanta in the playoffs. There's a definite similarity there to the Foles situation going from the Rams to the Chiefs to the Eagles. Kinda highlights the importance of HC / QB relationship.     

If he’s injured again it only validated those that have said he is made of glass. As they say, the best ability is availability at times. So what we now have is a qb with a massive contract, major glaring problems with his game, who is often injured and with media stories being published about how hard he is to deal with.

ive defended wentz every season so far, but this season he has lost me after only 2 games. His play has been so bad these past 2 games it’s hard to see a way back. He’s not the player he should be at this point and I think it could be time to move on after this season.

I think it's mental and physical at the same time. Usually, it's either one or the other for QB's, but right now, for Wentz- it's BOTH. It's his mechanics AND some kind of mental weight happening at the same time. Personally, I think when they took Hurts that high in the draft, it gutted Wentz's belief that he was "The Guy" anymore and parts of him died that day, as far as his hopes and dreams running head on into reality. And here we are. He either gets his act together and balls out, or he loses his starting job and dies even more inside. I do feel bad for him. I feel bad about trashing the guy lately, but I am an Eagles fan and HATE ugly football. I want the best for this guy, but I have to stay in reality as all of this unfolds. 

9 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

I think it's mental and physical at the same time. Usually, it's either one or the other for QB's, but right now, for Wentz- it's BOTH. It's his mechanics AND some kind of mental weight happening at the same time. Personally, I think when they took Hurts that high in the draft, it gutted Wentz's belief that he was "The Guy" anymore and parts of him died that day, as far as his hopes and dreams running head on into reality. And here we are. He either gets his act together and balls out, or he loses his starting job and dies even more inside. I do feel bad for him. I feel bad about trashing the guy lately, but I am an Eagles fan and HATE ugly football. I want the best for this guy, but I have to stay in reality as all of this unfolds. 

I do think that the Hurts pick is playing a role but... honestly if that is the case then then pick is even more justified, because it’s showing that Wentz is a bit mentally/emotionally fragile and can’t deal with the pressure. 

Here is the thing- you have to work hard EVERY DAY on your mechanics as an NFL QB, and not just THINK you can win just by showing up on game day. No. The day you think you are God's gift to the football world, and think YOU can rely on just your physical gifts and stop working on yourself every day, you become what we are seeing out there- a mess. Humble yourself, get back to working hard DAILY, listen to coaches who KNOW what they are talking about, and you can turn it around. Don't do these things, and you become yesterdays news and Hurts becomes "The Guy." Simple as that. It you CAN'T humble yourself, it will be done FOR you. Choose wisely.