Wentz is trying hard to make plays.  But the receivers and OL cannot give him the time to execute the plays.  Holding the ball too long leads to sacks or forced throws, both are bad.  He errs on trying, which is not as bad as not trying and give up.  That said, they need to instruct him to throw the ball away if the plays are not there.  Run plays and outlet passes will give him some relief, but not as exciting as the deep balls down field. 

Missing the pre-season workout due to Covid hurts the team to establish timing and chemical.  With a large number of new young players in camp, the effects are more pronounced.  Hopefully they make up the difference as the season goes on.

Hurts are in the game yesterday, not as a QB though.  Doug is saying they are working him in in the game.  That may bring on the distraction of QB packing order.  The coaches must handle this carefully or it could hurt more than help.

34 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Here's a thought: haven't there been QB's in the past that have actually come in during their first year and has stolen the job? What if that IS Hurts?

Hurts blows. Will never be more than an NFL backup at best. 

3 minutes ago, Wink said:

With maybe 6 wins we will have a shot at Lawrence?

Bust. No thanks. 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurts blows. Will never be more than an NFL backup at best. 

And you know this how?

9 minutes ago, nipples said:

What sucks about the schedule is they have the Bengals, followed by Niners, Steelers, Ravens. If Wentz sucks again and they manage to lose to Cinci, it would be worthy of a benching... but you really can’t throw Hurts into that three game gauntlet. 

They're not going to bench him, and that's a good reason.  Doug is like Andy in wanting to protect his rookies so he wouldn't throw Hurts out there.  "IF" they were to bench Wentz I would guess they'd play Sudfeld.

But this team continually believes it will bounce back.  They fought as underdogs in the playoffs, they rallied around backups when Foles, Peters and others have been hurt, they had like no WRs last year and rallied to win the division.  It actually gives them a false sense of hope.  Seems like they only perform when their backs are against the wall and at risk of missing the playoffs.

That stretch you noted, it could get ugly.  But they'll stick with Wentz.  I think if the season is lost and they're one of the worst records you might see a benching later in the year to see what they have in Hurts as well as some other young players.  Maybe even a fire sale to trade off some guys who knows.

Bust? And what are you looking at now after 5 years?

38 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Feel free to skip past it. I was agreeing with an earlier post....

Will do

2 minutes ago, Wink said:

Bust? And what are you looking at now after 5 years?

You aren’t going to catch me defending Wentz. I’m done with him. 
 

I just look at Lawrence and see a guy who is a good college QB that doesn’t translate to the NFL. I’m not saying we don’t need to look for a replacement for Wentz, just saying I want no part of Lawrence as a top 10 pick. 

I'm still holding out hope for Wentz and frankly this football season. 

I admit though that 2017-Wentz is getting further away from the now narrative.  He's been just okay for a couple of years, but I still believe he can be great again.  He's gotta do it ASAP.

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

This brain-trust will give up on Wentz completely, on a matter of when. Especially if we end up with a top 3 pick and a chance to start over at QB.

Good heavens I hope Lurie or someone in charge has enough sense to trade down and stockpile picks for that top 3 pick, beef up the OL, add secondary help and get a real LBer.

2 minutes ago, Madriver said:

Good heavens I hope Lurie or someone in charge has enough sense to trade down and stockpile picks for that top 3 pick, beef up the OL, add secondary help and get a real LBer.

Especially if Hurts gets some playing time this year and looks pretty good. 

11 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

But this team continually believes it will bounce back.  They fought as underdogs in the playoffs, they rallied around backups when Foles, Peters and others have been hurt, they had like no WRs last year and rallied to win the division.  It actually gives them a false sense of hope.  Seems like they only perform when their backs are against the wall and at risk of missing the playoffs.

 

Yes and I hope they know that the only team to go 0-4 and make the playoffs was the 92 Chargers.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we bench Wentz in Cinci after Mcnabb was benched during Cinci too? Bizarre.

Wentz misses Groh.  Last 2 years Groh was enemy number one here but Wentz's TD/Int ratio was fantastic 🙂

18 minutes ago, Madriver said:

Good heavens I hope Lurie or someone in charge has enough sense to trade down and stockpile picks for that top 3 pick, beef up the OL, add secondary help and get a real LBer.

And we keep a qb who over throws his receivers and seemingly has lost all creativity and vision? 

I do hear you..  Some serious quality youth is needed to inject into this team. Offloading the likes of Ertz and Cox is a start for stock piling picks. Love them both but a rebuild may be necessary should this crappy start to the season continue.

The rams ran the exact offense we should be running. It’s the same Fing thing we dealt with when it was Andy/McNabb. Don was better on the move making plays but they insisted in having him be a pocket QB. They are doing that with Wentz. Seriously, it’s time to get it the F together. What are we doing, saving Wentz’s health so he can play crappy from the pocket? He’s more likely to be injured there anyway with the hits he takes. The guy Fing stinks right now. Roll him out of the pocket, let him do what he’s actually good at. Let him make some plays and get some confidence back. 

24 minutes ago, Madriver said:

Yes and I hope they know that the only team to go 0-4 and make the playoffs was the 92 Chargers.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we bench Wentz in Cinci after Mcnabb was benched during Cinci too? Bizarre.

McNabb was benched in Baltimore. Cincy is where he didn’t know games could end in a tie. 

27 minutes ago, Madriver said:

Good heavens I hope Lurie or someone in charge has enough sense to trade down and stockpile picks for that top 3 pick, beef up the OL, add secondary help and get a real LBer.

Being realistic I don't see this team actually losing that many games, nor drafting another QB (unless to add to the factory! LOL).

However, if they do have that high of a draft pick I agree with you that they need to trade that pick as well as trade some players to have a fire sale and get as many picks as possible, for the next 2 years.  

It would also be great to move Howie to business side only and get a proper talent evaluator from another organization that consistently drafts well to oversee all scouting and personnel decisions.  They tried that with Joe Douglas and the approach was good, just have to keep trying.  Then that guy can just go to Howie with players he and his staff want in free agency or trade, or get him to work the phones on trades in the draft and handle negotiations. But that's just me dreaming, unfortunately I think they keep things as they are.

30 minutes ago, Madriver said:

Good heavens I hope Lurie or someone in charge has enough sense to trade down and stockpile picks for that top 3 pick, beef up the OL, add secondary help and get a real LBer.

WTF good are those picks going to do when your QB can't make routine layup throws and keeps making back breaking turnovers. Not to mention he is injury prone. We get a chance to start over at QB, we will take it.

6 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

And we keep a qb who over throws his receivers and seemingly has lost all creativity and vision? 

I do hear you..  Some serious quality youth is needed to inject into this team. Offloading the likes of Ertz and Cox is a start for stock piling picks. Love them both but a rebuild may be necessary should this crappy start to the season continue.

Who is saying anything about sticking with Wentz? Not wanting to spend a top 5 pick on a QB this year is not the same as wanting them to keep going on with Wentz. 
 

There are a lot of holes to fill. To me it makes more sense to see what we have in Hurts first, who we used a second round pick for. If he gets his shot at some point this year and plays all next year, then you can make your decision on whether to draft QB again. 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Being realistic I don't see this team actually losing that many games, nor drafting another QB (unless to add to the factory! LOL).

However, if they do have that high of a draft pick I agree with you that they need to trade that pick as well as trade some players to have a fire sale and get as many picks as possible, for the next 2 years.  

It would also be great to move Howie to business side only and get a proper talent evaluator from another organization that consistently drafts well to oversee all scouting and personnel decisions.  They tried that with Joe Douglas and the approach was good, just have to keep trying.  Then that guy can just go to Howie with players he and his staff want in free agency or trade, or get him to work the phones on trades in the draft and handle negotiations. But that's just me dreaming, unfortunately I think they keep things as they are.

Case in point 

29 minutes ago, Madriver said:

Yes and I hope they know that the only team to go 0-4 and make the playoffs was the 92 Chargers.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we bench Wentz in Cinci after Mcnabb was benched during Cinci too? Bizarre.

Thing is if Carson was benched in the Bengals game, he would have to be back out there for the next three games... not really fair to throw Hurts into the fire vs SF, Pitt and Baltimore 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Case in point 

"You guys are acting like we won't win another game... we've got three more games against Washington and New York. This isn't over. We're going to get this right."

52 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

And you know this how?

Just a hunch, of course.

On a realistic note, from watching him play. He does some things well, sure. He's good on the run. He can make all of the throws.

Having said that, he doesn't have great arm strength. Strong enough? Probably. He stares receivers down. He gets happy feet in the pocket. He struggles with accuracy. His mechanics are poor.

You know, a lot of things people complain about in regards to Wentz.

Now of course he could become something special. He could be a stud that perfects these short comings and leads us to multiple Super Bowls...but I don't see it happening.

He's like what people thought Lamar Jackson would be: a QB who's more of a runner. Difference is Lamar had/has amazing arm talent, speed, etc.

Hurts has none of that.

He didn't disagree....

14 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

He didn't disagree....

That’s as much on coaching as it is Carson.  He played his best ball when Flip was his QB coach and Reich (both former QBs) was OC.