3 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

To me that's not good.  As a coach you need to adjust to what your players do well.  Go back and watch the 2017 season.  Go back to his days at ND state and see what he excels at, what he likes.

I don't disagree but then as a SB winning HC I guess Doug has a point. I mean he won a SB without Wentz so on that basis Doug knows better than Wentz. 

16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't disagree but then as a SB winning HC I guess Doug has a point. I mean he won a SB without Wentz so on that basis Doug knows better than Wentz. 

Maybe the coach and QB just aren’t compatible. Right now the quarterback is playing poor football and someone in this organization needs to figure out how to get him right again. This offense scored 17 and 19 points in two games. In today’s offensive NFL that’s just pathetic. All of these coaches, voices, coordinators have created an even worse offense than Groh had. 

26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Maybe the coach and QB just aren’t compatible. Right now the quarterback is playing poor football and someone in this organization needs to figure out how to get him right again. This offense scored 17 and 19 points in two games. In today’s offensive NFL that’s just pathetic. All of these coaches, voices, coordinators have created an ever worse offense than Groh had. 

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/9/21/21449643/carson-wentz-quarterback-version-chip-kelly-hot-take-struggles-doug-pederson-nfl-quarterback-0-2

 

You should really enjoy this lol

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/9/21/21449643/carson-wentz-quarterback-version-chip-kelly-hot-take-struggles-doug-pederson-nfl-quarterback-0-2

 

You should really enjoy this lol

I haven’t read it yet, but the title made me throw up in my mouth. 😂

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I haven’t read it yet, but the title made me throw up in my mouth. 😂

It actually makes an insane comparison that makes Wentz sound exactly like Chip. It's scary and very very disturbing.lol

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It actually makes an insane comparison that makes Wentz sound exactly like Chip. It's scary and very very disturbing.lol

Well after reading it I refuse to say he’s right... but I can’t say he’s wrong either. 🤣😂🤣

This team reminds me so much of the Cowboys post Jimmy Johnson, when Jerruh thought all he needed was a yes man to win a bunch of rings.

Now Doug is in the Jerruh role thinking he was the brains behind the championship...as the team falls apart around him. I just hope we don't go through 2 decades of this misery.

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well after reading it I refuse to say he’s right... but I can’t say he’s wrong either. 🤣😂🤣

Told you lol. A few of those comparisons I didn't even think of and it caused me to want to go hang myself lol

22 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Told you lol. A few of those comparisons I didn't even think of and it caused me to want to go hang myself lol

I laugh to keep from crying. God help us. 😂

Time to move on 

Our fan base is flat out delusional when it comes to Carson. We got people comparing this guy to HOF quarterbacks when his numbers are comparable to Jameis Winston.

https://nflcomparisons.com/carson-wentz-vs-jameis-winston-comparison/
 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-news-rumors-carson-wentz-jameis-winston-howie-roseman-blame-roster-jalen-hurts-0599970/

19 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Our fan base is flat out delusional when it comes to Carson. We got people comparing this guy to HOF quarterbacks when his numbers are comparable to Jameis Winston.

https://nflcomparisons.com/carson-wentz-vs-jameis-winston-comparison/
 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-news-rumors-carson-wentz-jameis-winston-howie-roseman-blame-roster-jalen-hurts-0599970/

I wouldn't go that far!! Come on now lol. Winston has been flat out terrible since day one and has more interceptions in one season then Wentzs whole career lol. Then again the fumbles 🤔

10 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I wouldn't go that far!! Come on now lol. Winston has been flat out terrible since day one and has more interceptions in one season then Wentzs whole career lol. Then again the fumbles 🤔

Hey I thought it made no sense too, but then I saw the numbers and honestly they aren’t that far from each other. The interceptions and the wins are the biggest disparity. Everything else is pretty close. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Hey I thought it made no sense too, but then I saw the numbers and honestly they aren’t that far from each other. The interceptions and the wins are the biggest disparity. Everything else is pretty close. 

I refuse to go that far yet lol. The Chip Kelly thing was all I could handle for this week. 

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

I refuse to go that far yet lol. The Chip Kelly thing was all I could handle for this week. 

I hear. I still can’t accept the Chip Kelly thing either. 😂

https://www.pff.com/news/pff-scouting-report-carson-wentz-qb-north-dakota-state

"Finished with the ninth-overall grade in the draft class"

"Accuracy percentage of 38.5 percent on deep (20+ yard) passes ranked 29th in the draft class. Accuracy percentage of 57.1 percent when pressured tied for 27th in the draft class."

"Can pick up yards on the ground, but not sure how much his future team will want him to do so at the next level"

 "Shows touch, but it’s often a much slower throwing motion and his accuracy is hit or miss"

"Slow to process in the passing game. Will be late on short and intermediate throws, but arm strength bails him out. Will this still work at the next level?"

"Rarely got to a third read in his progression, even when running common, staple passing concepts. Their boot play had three options and Wentz would regularly miss the third receiver, even when the first two receivers were covered"

"Accuracy at 21-30 yard range was well below average, his adjusted completion percentage of 43.5 percent ranked 23rd in the draft class."

"There’s a lot to like about Wentz, but still so many question marks. The size and big arm stand out, and it’s not just aesthetics – his velocity is an asset at the short and intermediate range at the next level. The concern is whether or not the big arm loses accuracy beyond 20 yards to be effective. He’ll flash some touch on the deep ball, but it’s far too inconsistent at this point. His lack of timing in the passing game is a major concern, but if he can iron it out, the upside is immense. "

Knowing what we know now, reading this was pretty cringy. I still hope he puts it all together but in year 5, we might just have to accept that he is what he is. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't disagree but then as a SB winning HC I guess Doug has a point. I mean he won a SB without Wentz so on that basis Doug knows better than Wentz. 

True but didnt Doug switch around the offense and change things for Foles to make him more comfortable during the SB run?  Maybe he needs to do the same for Wentz.

28 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

True but didnt Doug switch around the offense and change things for Foles to make him more comfortable during the SB run?  Maybe he needs to do the same for Wentz.

What makes you think he didnt try it already?

1 hour ago, KDUB1510 said:

https://www.pff.com/news/pff-scouting-report-carson-wentz-qb-north-dakota-state

"Finished with the ninth-overall grade in the draft class"

"Accuracy percentage of 38.5 percent on deep (20+ yard) passes ranked 29th in the draft class. Accuracy percentage of 57.1 percent when pressured tied for 27th in the draft class."

"Can pick up yards on the ground, but not sure how much his future team will want him to do so at the next level"

 "Shows touch, but it’s often a much slower throwing motion and his accuracy is hit or miss"

"Slow to process in the passing game. Will be late on short and intermediate throws, but arm strength bails him out. Will this still work at the next level?"

"Rarely got to a third read in his progression, even when running common, staple passing concepts. Their boot play had three options and Wentz would regularly miss the third receiver, even when the first two receivers were covered"

"Accuracy at 21-30 yard range was well below average, his adjusted completion percentage of 43.5 percent ranked 23rd in the draft class."

"There’s a lot to like about Wentz, but still so many question marks. The size and big arm stand out, and it’s not just aesthetics – his velocity is an asset at the short and intermediate range at the next level. The concern is whether or not the big arm loses accuracy beyond 20 yards to be effective. He’ll flash some touch on the deep ball, but it’s far too inconsistent at this point. His lack of timing in the passing game is a major concern, but if he can iron it out, the upside is immense. "

Knowing what we know now, reading this was pretty cringy. I still hope he puts it all together but in year 5, we might just have to accept that he is what he is. 

Wow.

We were all wrong about this guy, and now we will have to face the consequences. All of the criticism from McNabb. That article which cited unnamed sources within the team who really questioned Wentz. The constant criticism from the national media. Being left off of the top 100 list, etc etc. We defended this guy through all of it and yet here we are in year five and he is getting worse. All this smoke and we didn't realize there was a fire, some people still don't. It's over, hopefully they can develop Hurts into a good NFL QB.

1 hour ago, EagleMatt said:

What makes you think he didnt try it already?

I dont know......did he?  

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

We were all wrong about this guy, and now we will have to face the consequences. All of the criticism from McNabb. That article which cited unnamed sources within the team who really questioned Wentz. The constant criticism from the national media. Being left off of the top 100 list, etc etc. We defended this guy through all of it and yet here we are in year five and he is getting worse. All this smoke and we didn't realize there was a fire, some people still don't. It's over, hopefully they can develop Hurts into a good NFL QB.

Would be kinda funny if he starts balling out the rest of the season and we all overreacted over 2 weeks.

Not likely but still would be funny.

Carson needs Tom Brady's mentality- I have to go out every practice, every drill, every game and better myself, so nobody can take my job. My job is not promised to me, is in constant jeopardy, and I must fight for it by working hard every day to become a better player.

I think Carson has an "I am very gifted, and so good, that just by walking onto that field, we are going to win". He needs the other attitude I just mentioned. Now with Hurts breathing down his neck, maybe he can see it and reach for it. If not, damn, son. Poof.

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Maybe the coach and QB just aren’t compatible. Right now the quarterback is playing poor football and someone in this organization needs to figure out how to get him right again. This offense scored 17 and 19 points in two games. In today’s offensive NFL that’s just pathetic. All of these coaches, voices, coordinators have created an ever worse offense than Groh had. 

Thing is... And I know this is a really negative thought but just stick with me. Overall would we say Wentz career has been great, average or bad?

Because we know Wentz is capable of being really really good. But we also know that he's capable of being really bad. And at other times he's been average to good. 

So whilst we all hope that he can turn things around perhaps the reality is that he's just not that good. Maybe he is just average. I mean he had a patch last year where he was terrible. Then he had a patch where he was brilliant. We all think and hope that ultimately he's a really good player and that the bad patches are just that, bad patches. But what about if actually it's the other way around? What if it is good patches rather than that being the norm?

4 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

True but didnt Doug switch around the offense and change things for Foles to make him more comfortable during the SB run?  Maybe he needs to do the same for Wentz.

Perhaps he did yes... But then the message isn't getting through to Wentz. 

Sometimes it’s interesting to think back to the brief time we sat on the #8 pick after the trade with Miami. A number of posters suggested trying to get up further for Wentz or Goff, and many suggested what a bad idea that would be because neither of them were the type worth trading up for. Wentz played against low level competition, and Goff’s hands are too small. Up until 12-10-17, that trade looked like it was going to set us up for a good 10-15 years. It’s a shame that one crazy collision that I haven’t seen before or since created a chain of events that has many looking towards the next QB for this team.