I was never a big fan of Wentz but am surprised how fast everyone has jumped off his bandwagon.  The guy could still turn it around.

57 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

I was never a big fan of Wentz but am surprised how fast everyone has jumped off his bandwagon.  The guy could still turn it around.

I don't think it's that everyone has jumped off the bandwagon... I think a lot weren't really on in the first place. And right now the overwhelming evidence points to Wentz being as bad as he is good. I think he's streaky. He's capable of extreme highs but also extreme lows. Sound familiar?

Interesting stat I heard this morning.  Wentz has made 20 "off target throws" this season.  (Worst in NFL) and 15 out of those 20 throws were with a clean pocket.  Ouch.

My only guess is that he must be playing hurt...either groin, back....combination of both but no way is he 100%.  

If we lose to Bengals, lose every game get Trev Lawrence.  It’s that simple.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If we lose to Bengals, lose every game get Trev Lawrence.  It’s that simple.

This isn't happening, it's asinine for people to keep pounding the table for it.

By the way, Lawrence is going to be a bust.

3 hours ago, Mortimer said:

I was never a big fan of Wentz but am surprised how fast everyone has jumped off his bandwagon.  The guy could still turn it around.

Remember one year the Eagles started 0-2 and McNabb was playing bad.  I think that was when Rush Limbaugh made his controversial comments about him.  They ended up making the playoffs I believe.

Point is it's only been 2 games but it feels longer.  There is still time to turn things around.  Bengals are just as bad and SF is injury plagued right now.  Maybe a couple wins could put some confidence back in this team.  We'll see.

9 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Would be kinda funny if he starts balling out the rest of the season and we all overreacted over 2 weeks.

Not likely but still would be funny.

Hope he does all the way to the Super Bowl too. Nobody wants Carson to be this bad. It is what it is. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Interesting stat I heard this morning.  Wentz has made 20 "off target throws" this season.  (Worst in NFL) and 15 out of those 20 throws were with a clean pocket.  Ouch.

My only guess is that he must be playing hurt...either groin, back....combination of both but no way is he 100%.  

There’s literally a thread about this now. Considering Carson hid his back injury for weeks so Foles couldn’t get in there in 2018 I wouldn’t be surprised if he were hiding an injury. 

10 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

I dont know......did he?  

We were told Carson had a Manning like memory and was capable of running the entire offense. Making an offense easier for Foles was actually fairly easy to do since he was proven to have a lot of success in the read option. He literally broke records in that offense. Wentz is more complicated, because he had success in the offense as it is. For some reason he’s just regressing and I don’t think there’s much they can do to fix that. Wentz needs to just get out his funk. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

There’s literally a thread about this now. Considering Carson hid his back injury for weeks so Foles couldn’t get in there in 2018 I wouldn’t be surprised if he were hiding an injury. 

Hid his back injury? Where do you come up with this crap??

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

We were told Carson had a Manning like memory and was capable of running the entire offense. Making an offense easier for Foles was actually fairly easy to do since he was proven to have a lot of success in the read option. He literally broke records in that offense. Wentz is more complicated, because he had success in the offense as it is. For some reason he’s just regressing and I don’t think there’s much they can do to fix that. Wentz needs to just get out his funk. 

Yeah the famous 'Doug is simplifying the offense for Foles, that's why it looked more polished' argument, it did always kind of beg the question if he could win games with a simplified offense why Doug would intentionally hamstring the team by apparently making the offense too complicated for his main QB to run consistently.

55 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Yeah the famous 'Doug is simplifying the offense for Foles, that's why it looked more polished' argument, it did always kind of beg the question if he could win games with a simplified offense why Doug would intentionally hamstring the team by apparently making the offense too complicated for his main QB to run consistently.

People need to understand Foles was successful in that offense because he has a very accurate deep ball. He also has very hot and cold streaks. When Foles is hot there are few guys who can match him at that point and when he’s cold you wonder if he belongs in the league. Foles got hot at the right time. I still think when it comes down to it Carson’s woes are less related to the offense. It’s his own decision making that is the issue. His mechanics are the issue. When there were people who were critical of him in the system the Eagles got rid of them. The reports are Carson’s the first to show and last to leave so he’s a worker, but something is clearly missing here. I wonder about his mental makeup. He’s had a lot of adversity to deal with in the NFL from injuries to watching someone else win his Super Bowl. He’s dealt with teammates doubting him, the press for and against him and the Eagles drafting a quarterback In the second round. I wonder if being in a demanding place like Philadelphia and chasing the Foles ghost is finally getting to him. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

People need to understand Foles was successful in that offense because he has a very accurate deep ball. He also has very hot and cold streaks. When Foles is hot there are few guys who can match him at that point and when he’s cold you wonder if he belongs in the league. Foles got hot at the right time. I still think when it comes down to it Carson’s woes are less related to the offense. It’s his own decision making that is the issue. His mechanics are the issue. When there were people who were critical of him in the system the Eagles got rid of the. The reports are Carson’s the first to show and last to leave so he’s a worker, but something is clearly missing here. I wonder about his mental makeup. He’s had a lot of adversity to deal with in the NFL from injuries to watching someone else win his Super Bowl. He’s dealt with teammates doubting him, the press for and against him and the Eagles drafting a quarterback In the second round. I wonder if being in a demanding place like Philadelphia and chasing the Foles ghost is finally getting to him. 

I don't want to start this debate up again but even when Foles 'isn't hot" he's still an excellent game manager and wins much more often than he loses.  (With the Eagles). 

He won't "throw the game away" by forcing things when they aren't there.  The Atlanta playoff game was a perfect example of that.  He had an "off game" but they still won and they progressed to the NFC Championship game where Foles became "Super Foles" and continued that streak through the Super Bowl.  

 

 

3 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If we lose to Bengals, lose every game get Trev Lawrence.  It’s that simple.

Narrator: we are going to lose to the Bengals.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't want to start this debate up again but even when Foles 'isn't hot" he's still an excellent game manager and wins much more often than he loses.  (With the Eagles). 

He won't "throw the game away" by forcing things when they aren't there.  The Atlanta playoff game was a perfect example of that.  He had an "off game" but they still won and they progressed to the NFC Championship game where Foles became "Super Foles" and continued that streak through the Super Bowl.  

 

 

Well Foles also when he’s not hot throws and many interceptions as he does touchdowns. In 2014 he was 13-10 and in 2015 he was 7-10. He also doesn’t always win those types of games. In 2014 he did win games, but one could argue they were despite his play, because he did struggle that season. Heck even Foles contemplated retirement so there were times even he didn’t think he belonged and he just got beat out by Mitch Trubisky in a QB competition. Ultimately I don’t fault the Eagles for choosing Wentz over Foles. It was the right thing to do at the time. Now had Jeffery caught that pass and the Eagles beat the Rams to go to another SB things might have been different. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well Foles also when he’s not hot throws and many interceptions as he does touchdowns. In 2014 he was 13-10 and in 2015 he was 7-10. He also doesn’t always win those types of games. In 2014 he did win games, but one could argue they were despite his play, because he did struggle that season. Heck even Foles contemplated retirement so there were times even he didn’t think he belonged and he just got beat out by Mitch Trubisky in a QB competition. Ultimately I don’t fault the Eagles for choosing Wentz over Foles. It was the right thing to do at the time. Now had Jeffery caught that pass and the Eagles beat the Rams to go to another SB things might have been different. 

Foles with the Eagles is a different story.  When put in an "offensive minded system" like the Eagles have, he excels.

And even when he has an "off game" he wins.  Even in 2014 when he had 13 TD's 10 Int...he was 6-2 as a starter.  That's the point.  Foles knows how to win with the Eagles.

If you exclude his rookie year, 2012 (mess of a season)....

Nick Foles is 20W-6L as a starter in the regular season plus 4-2 in the playoffs...total of 24-8.

24 WINS and only 8 losses with the Eagles after his rookie year.

 

 

13 hours ago, T-1000 said:

We were all wrong about this guy, and now we will have to face the consequences. All of the criticism from McNabb. That article which cited unnamed sources within the team who really questioned Wentz. The constant criticism from the national media. Being left off of the top 100 list, etc etc. We defended this guy through all of it and yet here we are in year five and he is getting worse. All this smoke and we didn't realize there was a fire, some people still don't. It's over, hopefully they can develop Hurts into a good NFL QB.

Que in everyone who was dumping on the source in the locker room. That tried airing a lot of this out TWO years ago. 

 

 

TLDW:

• Players are scared to call out Wentz due to his relationship with Lurie.
• Doug is being undermined as evident by his offensive staff being fired against his choice.
• Doug is handcuffed because he can't choose his own staff and feels Wentz can go over his head anytime.
• Wentz does what he wants because he knows the owner has his back.
• Doug's comment about Wentz's regression was a wink wink shot and message to Lurie.

Take it for whatever it's worth I guess.

11 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Foles with the Eagles is a different story.  When put in an "offensive minded system" like the Eagles have, he excels.

And even when he has an "off game" he wins.  Even in 2014 when he had 13 TD's 10 Int...he was 6-2 as a starter.  That's the point.  Foles knows how to win with the Eagles.

If you exclude his rookie year, 2012 (mess of a season)....

Nick Foles is 20W-6L as a starter in the regular season plus 4-2 in the playoffs...total of 24-8.

24 WINS and only 8 losses with the Eagles after his rookie year.

 

 

Even with that 6-2 record it’s not exactly like he managed the game well. Some of those interceptions in 2014 put some of those games in bad situations. Also I’m not going to discount the Foles bad times (even those when he was an Eagle like his rookie season) anyone than I would discount Wentz bad times. The good and the bad are part of that players makeup. Frankly Foles couldn’t stay healthy and he never seized control of any team he was a part of even when he was anointed the starter and that includes the Eagles. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Even with that 6-2 record it’s not exactly like he managed the game well. Some of those interceptions in 2014 put some of those games in bad situations. Also I’m not going to discount the Foles bad times (even those when he was an Eagle like his rookie season) anyone than I would discount Wentz bad times. The good and the bad are part of that players makeup. Frankly Foles couldn’t stay healthy and he never seized control of any team he was a part of even when he was anointed the starter and that includes the Eagles. 

It's unfortunate he's never been given the chance to lead an offense like the Eagles under Pederson, from day one... but it is what it is.

As far as Wentz vs Foles comparisons, it's not that close, imo and Foles has won more (%) and much more important games with the Eagles than Wentz has. 

Maybe Wentz can turn it around between now and the end of next season but until he does, Foles has been the much better QB for the Eagles....it's not even really debatable at this point, imo.

48 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

People need to understand Foles was successful in that offense because he has a very accurate deep ball. He also has very hot and cold streaks. When Foles is hot there are few guys who can match him at that point and when he’s cold you wonder if he belongs in the league. Foles got hot at the right time. I still think when it comes down to it Carson’s woes are less related to the offense. It’s his own decision making that is the issue. His mechanics are the issue. When there were people who were critical of him in the system the Eagles got rid of them. The reports are Carson’s the first to show and last to leave so he’s a worker, but something is clearly missing here. I wonder about his mental makeup. He’s had a lot of adversity to deal with in the NFL from injuries to watching someone else win his Super Bowl. He’s dealt with teammates doubting him, the press for and against him and the Eagles drafting a quarterback In the second round. I wonder if being in a demanding place like Philadelphia and chasing the Foles ghost is finally getting to him. 

All very accurate and legitimate points....I totally agree with it all. We just have to see how it plays out these next few games.....hopefully, he proves to be able to overcome his own deficiencies...

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It's unfortunate he's never been given the chance to lead an offense like the Eagles under Pederson, from day one... but it is what it is.

As far as Wentz vs Foles comparisons, it's not that close, imo and Foles has won more (%) and much more important games with the Eagles than Wentz has. 

Maybe Wentz can turn it around between now and the end of next season but until he does, Foles has been the much better QB for the Eagles....it's not even really debatable at this point, imo.

I’m not comparing these two players, at least it’s not my intent to. As far as Foles being "given a chance” I wholeheartedly disagree with you. He’s been given multiple chances and he just failed to get the job done whether it was due to injury, poor play or just losing out to the other guy. The Rams and Jags absolutely wanted Foles to be their guy. In 2014 Foles was given the keys to be the guy and he got hurt, but his play wasn’t good enough either. In 2013 and in 2020 he lost a quarterback competition. He’s been given plenty of chances bud. As for Wentz bottom line is if he keeps playing like he is then he’s not long for this league. 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Even with that 6-2 record it’s not exactly like he managed the game well. Some of those interceptions in 2014 put some of those games in bad situations. Also I’m not going to discount the Foles bad times (even those when he was an Eagle like his rookie season) anyone than I would discount Wentz bad times. The good and the bad are part of that players makeup. Frankly Foles couldn’t stay healthy and he never seized control of any team he was a part of even when he was anointed the starter and that includes the Eagles. 

But you have to admit though...NO QB has excelled under Jeff Fisher....

16 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

TLDW:

• Players are scared to call out Wentz due to his relationship with Lurie.
• Doug is being undermined as evident by his offensive staff being fired against his choice.
• Doug is handcuffed because he can't choose his own staff and feels Wentz can go over his head anytime.
• Wentz does what he wants because he knows the owner has his back.
• Doug's comment about Wentz's regression was a wink wink shot and message to Lurie.

Take it for whatever it's worth I guess.

If Wentz is going over the head of the coach straight to the owner then we are the Washing Redskins with RG3 and that not at all.