3 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

But you have to admit though...NO QB has excelled under Jeff Fisher....

Well have you seen some of the quarterbacks he had to deal with though? 😂 I mean much of that group was trash, and I didn’t think Steve McNair was bad at all. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m not comparing these two players, at least it’s not my intent to. As far as Foles being "given a chance” I wholeheartedly disagree with you. He’s been given multiple chances and he just failed to get the job done whether it was due to injury, poor play or just losing out to the other guy. The Rams and Jags absolutely wanted Foles to be their guy. In 2014 Foles was given the keys to be the guy and he got hurt, but his play wasn’t good enough either. In 2013 and in 2020 he lost a quarterback competition. He’s been given plenty of chances bud. As for Wentz bottom line is if he keeps playing like he is then he’s not long for this league. 

I said a chance "under Pederson's system" (or similar, Reid, etc) systems designed with the QB in mind.   Not some run first scheme (where every QB went to die) like with the Rams or a weak offense like the Jaguars.  

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well have you seen some of the quarterbacks he had to deal with though? 😂 I mean much of that group was trash, and I didn’t think Steve McNair was bad at all. 

This is true, no argument there whatsoever. Air McNair...he was ok

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I said a chance "under Pederson's system" (or similar, Reid, etc) systems designed with the QB in mind.   Not some run first scheme (where every QB went to die) like with the Rams or a weak offense like the Jaguars.  

Well for about three years now I’ve been hearing Pederson’s scheme stinks. With that being the case he had a chance to be a starter for the Bears which is a very similar scheme. He lost the quarterback competition. 

1 minute ago, GeorgeM37 said:

This is true, no argument there whatsoever. Air McNair...he was ok

McNair was a 3 time pro bowl player and one time MVP all under Fisher. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well for about three years now I’ve been hearing Pederson’s scheme stinks. With that being the case he had a chance to be a starter for the Bears which is a very similar scheme. He lost the quarterback competition. 

Obviously if "Pederson's scheme stinks" he wouldn't of won a Super Bowl and it wouldn't look like a perennial winner every time Nick Foles takes over. 

Everyone seems to forget how bad this offense looked before Foles took over in 2018.  They had a 15% chance of making the playoffs when Foles took over.  He won every game and drove them right into the playoffs and won a playoff game to boot.

You think that's a coincidence?  Sooner or later people need to pay attention and realize that maybe the "scheme" isn't the problem.

 

 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

McNair was a 3 time pro bowl player and one time MVP all under Fisher. 

Point taken and agreed but I think he was the only exception. It was more his talent than Fisher's coaching IMO

51 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

TLDW:

• Players are scared to call out Wentz due to his relationship with Lurie.
• Doug is being undermined as evident by his offensive staff being fired against his choice.
• Doug is handcuffed because he can't choose his own staff and feels Wentz can go over his head anytime.
• Wentz does what he wants because he knows the owner has his back.
• Doug's comment about Wentz's regression was a wink wink shot and message to Lurie.

Take it for whatever it's worth I guess.

My advice: Stop watching this garbage. 

It's becoming more like the National Enquirer every day.

26 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Point taken and agreed but I think he was the only exception. It was more his talent than Fisher's coaching IMO

The next best quarterback he had was Kerry Collins. I mean we can trash his development of quarterbacks, but they were all trash to begin with. Sam Bradford was the most overhyped player ever and nobody turned that guy good. 

37 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Obviously if "Pederson's scheme stinks" he wouldn't of won a Super Bowl and it wouldn't look like a perennial winner every time Nick Foles takes over. 

Everyone seems to forget how bad this offense looked before Foles took over in 2018.  They had a 15% chance of making the playoffs when Foles took over.  He won every game and drove them right into the playoffs and won a playoff game to boot.

You think that's a coincidence?  Sooner or later people need to pay attention and realize that maybe the "scheme" isn't the problem.

 

 

I forgot nothing, but you’re ignoring the failures of Foles. That’s just as bad as the people who ignore the failures of Wentz. All three times Nick was given the keys to the car he lost the car that same year. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The next best quarterback he had was Kerry Collins. I mean we can trash his development of quarterbacks, but they were all trash to begin with. Sam Bradford was the most overhyped player ever and nobody turned that guy good. 

Oh lawd do I agree with you there. I still dont see Chip's obsession with him....

Just now, GeorgeM37 said:

Oh lawd do I agree with you there. I still dont see Chip's obsession with him....

It wasn’t just Chip. Andy Reid traded McNabb to Washington because he was scared they would draft Bradford. The Vikings gave up a 1st round pick for him! The Cardinals signed him after that. He’s got so much bank for doing hardly anything it’s ridiculous. Plenty of NFL people were fooled by Sammy Sleeves.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It wasn’t just Chip. Andy Reid traded McNabb to Washington because he was scared they would draft Bradford. The Vikings gave up a 1st round pick for him! The Cardinals signed him after that. He’s got so much bank for doing hardly anything it’s ridiculous. Plenty of NFL people were fooled by Sammy Sleeves.

You know what? You are correct, I had forgotten about all of that......wowww...

6 hours ago, GeorgeM37 said:

You know what? You are correct, I had forgotten about all of that......wowww...

Sam Bradford conned the entire NFL into thinking he was good for like ten years and most of that time he was out with an injury. 😂

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I forgot nothing, but you’re ignoring the failures of Foles. That’s just as bad as the people who ignore the failures of Wentz. All three times Nick was given the keys to the car he lost the car that same year. 

How so?  He was given the keys in 2017 and won the Super Bowl.

He was given the keys in 2018 and won every (must win or go home) game in the regular season...a playoff game....etc...

Anyway, this is pointless.  Foles is in Chicago and Wentz is here...and Wentz is likely here until (at least) the end of 2021.  The only thing to talk about is what would make Wentz better here. 

I want to be Sam Bradford in my next life. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

How so?  He was given the keys in 2017 and won the Super Bowl.

He was given the keys in 2018 and won every (must win or go home) game in the regular season...a playoff game....and was likely headed to the NFCCG had Alshon Jeffery not forgotten how to catch.

Anyway, this is pointless.  Foles is in Chicago and Wentz is here...and Wentz is likely here until (at least) the end of 2021.  The only thing to talk about is what would make Wentz better here. 

In 2017 and 18 and just like In 12 and 13 he was the replacement guy. He was literally given the job as week one starter three times in his career  and for whatever reason lost the job. That includes his stint in Philadelphia. Look I’m a huge fan of Nick Foles, but look at the guys he lost his job to. They all pretty much suck. There’s things the rest of us don’t see when it comes to Foles and why so many NFL people give him a chance and soon regret their decision afterwards. Maybe if Foles didn’t get hurt back in 14 things might have been different. Maybe Chip Kelly is still coaching the Eagles. One thing I believe and that’s the Eagles would not have won that Super Bowl if it weren’t for Nick Foles. 

15 hours ago, T-1000 said:

We were all wrong about this guy, and now we will have to face the consequences. All of the criticism from McNabb. That article which cited unnamed sources within the team who really questioned Wentz. The constant criticism from the national media. Being left off of the top 100 list, etc etc. We defended this guy through all of it and yet here we are in year five and he is getting worse. All this smoke and we didn't realize there was a fire, some people still don't. It's over, hopefully they can develop Hurts into a good NFL QB.

Mark me down now for saying that Wentz is on his way to getting benched this season.

Watching Doug's PC, he's excusing COVID, limited training camp, new receivers...a reporter asked why every team faced those same challenges so why can't a veteran QB and veteran coaches can't prepare and perform like the other teams...he also said he asks Carson what plays he wants to run, what do you want to do (and that he did that for Foles as well) in trying to say he caters his offense to the QB.

Just looking at his eyes and body language, he's frustrated with Carson but rightfully won't throw him under the bus.  The organization has to be upset their investment isn't playing well.

This narrative about Lurie telling Doug to change offensive coaches and now this idea that Lurie favors Carson and Doug isn't allowed to coach him?

We've always known Lurie as a hands-off owner.  Do people believe that's changed and he's now interfering?  

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

This narrative about Lurie telling Doug to change offensive coaches and now this idea that Lurie favors Carson and Doug isn't allowed to coach him?

We've always known Lurie as a hands-off owner.  Do people believe that's changed and he's now interfering?  

I’m a bit skeptical, and I’ve even gone a few rounds with @EazyEaglez over this very issue, but if I’m wrong, and Lurie isn’t allowing Doug full autonomy over his staff, it would really make me wonder about Lurie. Even if someone believes he ultimately did the right thing, it’s still indicative that Lurie doesn’t have full trust in Doug, in which case, why is he here? Also, it’s going to break down any trust Doug has and if/when the time comes to replace Doug, what respectable coach would take the job once word gets out? You would only get the next Doug Pederson, someone no one else is beating down the door to get. 
 

I really don’t see a repeat of all things going right the way they did in 2017. 

I mean Kellerman said that Carson can get Lurie on the phone faster than Doug...based on what?  That's crazy talk. 

59 minutes ago, NOTW said:

This narrative about Lurie telling Doug to change offensive coaches and now this idea that Lurie favors Carson and Doug isn't allowed to coach him?

We've always known Lurie as a hands-off owner.  Do people believe that's changed and he's now interfering?  

This isn't about Lurie, Doug or even Howie.  This is about the entire Eagles front office (Pederson included) and how they made an investment (and many sacrifices) in accruing and keeping Wentz.  The draft picks, the money, etc. 

Wentz has been the designated "franchise" QB for 5 years...to the extent that the Eagles even let Nick Foles leave after he won them a Super Bowl and saved the season the following year.

So basically Wentz has always been "hands off".  This isn't anything new; it's been like this for the past 5 years.  The only reason people are noticing it now is because Wentz is struggling and people are asking "why is he untouchable?"

 

Seth says Wentz is the problem, that a 5 year player shouldn't be making these mistakes, and blames the head coach for not holding him accountable.

 

 

22 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I mean Kellerman said that Carson can get Lurie on the phone faster than Doug...based on what?  That's crazy talk. 

It does follow the timeline of Groh being fired. Doug came out and emphatically said Groh is coming back, 24hrs later he was fired. So it's clear Doug was not the one who wanted him out.