10 hours ago, downundermike said:

Thought it was a hoax??

It's a damn shame when one doesn't recognize a joke when they read one.

13 hours ago, Mr-Bueno said:

I hate to say it, but today as I watched the Cincinnati game, I found myself getting frustrated seeing him sort of half-grinning after he’s trotting off the field after overthrowing a receiver in third down ... and it happened more than a few times. 

Yeah, I spoke on his smiley faces before he played his first down in the NFL.

I'm not saying a QB can never smile but I prefer QBs that more often then not display their game faces.

this whole team is a mess. wentz is part of the problem and is the franchise qb so he will naturally get the brunt of the fan's angst. he deserves it right now and should feel lucky that there are no fans at the games. he looks lost. the whole offense, looks lost. to me, that's all on the HC. 

8 hours ago, New Zealand Eagle said:

• QB - Wentz has the yips, enough has been said about it but today was hard to watch. He played like his usual self until the second half of the Washington game where he got absolutely got smashed to a pulp. I'm thinking his pocket clock has been mangled and he has no confidence in the line and it's messing with his head now. I'm not one for kneejerk reactions but if he continues on his current trajectory then i don't see how we can't start Hurts.  
• RB - Sanders is fantastic, literally the only bright spot it seems. Boston Scott isn't a fit for this terrible O-Line at the moment, but also why weren't we trying to isolate him in space/screens etc? Seems like a bad mesh for the state of the team right now but play calling isn't helping. Corey Clement may as well be blind, i've never seen someone run so hard into the back of his own linemen. 
• WR - Djax is cooked, stick a fork in him. Greg Ward - most teams 4th receiver but our #1/#2. JJAW - complete trash just cut him already. Watkins/Hightower - JAG/WHO? 
• TE - Ertz - Literally the only weapon we have, Goedert - Inconsistent hands to start the year and now hurt
• LT - Peter is cooked, put a fork in him
• LG - Herbig is a nice back up but you're in trouble if you're relying on him starting games, which we are
• C - As advertised
• RG - What a mess
• RT - As advertised

 

• LE - Graham - As advertised/love that guy
• DT - Cox is clearly hurt and not flashing like usual, Malik has been just ok, when tf are we going to see a return on Hargrave? Mr invisible for two games now. 
• RE - Sweat/Barnett - Both looked good today, hopefully a nice rotation forming there. 
• LBs - Bradham is on the street, tell me why not? Guy can still go sideline to sideline and is better than 'almost' Gerry and 'over-pursuit' Riley.
• CBS - Slay, stud, it's going to be a year of watching him make splash plays that will be undone by the rest of the crappy team (see Mixon's 3rd and 15 scamper). Maddox is always a reliable tackler.....after the WR gains big on him. NRC - I've not seen anything that makes me think he's the best slot corner in the league as suggested, Trevor Williams? JAG. 
• Safeties - McCloud i actually think brings some energy and he flashes but disappears for long stretches. Mills is a moron, the guy could be down 50 and tackle a guy who crosses the first down marker and would still celebrate - He's done nothing in coverage to make me want him on the team

 

 

• ST - Elliot is great, i'm sure he would have crushed the pre-penalty FG given the chance. Cam Johnston - Does the job. 

I agree with most of this but I think it’s too soon to say Hightower is "just a guy.” Could be, but need to see more. He has some speed, and route running seems to be improved yesterday compared to week 1. He was also WIDE open down the field on a play where Wentz instead decide to throw a short pass at Ward’s cleats. 

14 hours ago, Mr-Bueno said:

I hate to say it, but today as I watched the Cincinnati game, I found myself getting frustrated seeing him sort of half-grinning after he’s trotting off the field after overthrowing a receiver in third down ... and it happened more than a few times. 

I've been thinking this since last year. His body language sucks.

I think we can all agree that Wentz is too talented for the level of play we're seeing thus far, right? His mechanics can be worked on and improved, so that isn't a big worry for me. What does worry me the most is that it seems like he isn't seeing the feild very well or processing information fast enough, which brings me to that dirty hit from Clowney. Maybe that hit has caused some lasting effects?

 

9 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

I think we can all agree that Wentz is too talented for the level of play we're seeing thus far, right? His mechanics can be worked on and improved, so that isn't a big worry for me. What does worry me the most is that it seems like he isn't seeing the feild very well or processing information fast enough, which brings me to that dirty hit from Clowney. Maybe that hit has caused some lasting effects?

 

You’re not worried about his mechanics because they can be worked on? They have sucked since day one, somehow were somewhat better in 2017 (though still not "good” even the ), then reverted right back to sucking. It’s year 5... any mechanical issues should have been fixed by now, and if they haven’t they likely never will. 
 

The fact is, everything we have heard come out is that he doesn’t like coaches pushing him and calling him out, plenty of talk about him not getting along with DeFilippo because of that. But that is exactly the kind of coaching he needs, because DeFilippo had him starting to clean up the mechanical issues some. Frankly he doesn’t seem to have the mental drive and focus to want to address his weaknesses and fix them. 

2 minutes ago, nipples said:

You’re not worried about his mechanics because they can be worked on? They have sucked since day one, somehow were somewhat better in 2017 (though still not "good” even the ), then reverted right back to sucking. It’s year 5... any mechanical issues should have been fixed by now, and if they haven’t they likely never will. 

I think anyone who isn't concerned by Wentz mechanics at this point is just trying to fool themselves. Wentz mechanics have been an issue throughout his career. The fact he's now in Year 5 and still having the same issues just shows he's not learning.

1 minute ago, nipples said:

You’re not worried about his mechanics because they can be worked on? They have sucked since day one, somehow were somewhat better in 2017 (though still not "good” even the ), then reverted right back to sucking. It’s year 5... any mechanical issues should have been fixed by now, and if they haven’t they likely never will. 

Well a QB working on mechanics is a constant thing throughout their career, and I hope Carson/coaching staff can get that sorted. However, if he has long lasting effects from that nasty hit that isn't something one can work on and improve. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think anyone who isn't concerned by Wentz mechanics at this point is just trying to fool themselves. Wentz mechanics have been an issue throughout his career. The fact he's now in Year 5 and still having the same issues just shows he's not learning.

Absolutely. 
 

Curious, do you still think there is no way Doug benches Wentz? I know we debated this prior to the Bengals game. I still think if they go 0-5-1 (more likely to happen than not), with Wentz continuing to play like crap, that he’ll get the hook. I am just wondering if yesterday’s game changed anything for you... in particular, I think Doug showed a huge lack of trust in Carson when he opted to punt on 4th and 12 from the Bengals 46 at the end of OT. If he had any faith in his QB, he let’s him try to pick up 12 damn yards, then spike the ball to attempt a field goal. 

3 minutes ago, nipples said:

Absolutely. 
 

Curious, do you still think there is no way Doug benches Wentz? I know we debated this prior to the Bengals game. I still think if they go 0-5-1 (more likely to happen than not), with Wentz continuing to play like crap, that he’ll get the hook. I am just wondering if yesterday’s game changed anything for you... in particular, I think Doug showed a huge lack of trust in Carson when he opted to punt on 4th and 12 from the Bengals 46 at the end of OT. If he had any faith in his QB, he let’s him try to pick up 12 damn yards, then spike the ball to attempt a field goal. 

I know you didn’t ask me, but I can absolutely envision a scenario where Wentz sits for a half, then possibly the following game before getting re-inserted back in the lineup. At what point it happens, I can’t say. 

4 minutes ago, nipples said:

I still think if they go 0-5-1 (more likely to happen than not), with Wentz continuing to play like crap, that he’ll get the hook.

There's a good chance that his issues will disappear with the upcoming schedule, this is a focus issue and he knows he'll need to focus for the next 3 games.

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I know you didn’t ask me, but I can absolutely envision a scenario where Wentz sits for a half, then possibly the following game before getting re-inserted back in the lineup. At what point it happens, I can’t say. 

And hypothetically if Hurts steps in and absolutely balls out? I would hope that Doug has the sense to stick with the kid in that scenario. 

Just now, EagleVA said:

There's a good chance that his issues will disappear with the upcoming schedule, this is a focus issue and he knows he'll need to focus for the next 3 games.

It’s more than a focus issue. Even when he’s making the right decisions his accuracy is embarrassing because to this day he refuses to fix his damn mechanics. 

14 minutes ago, nipples said:

And hypothetically if Hurts steps in and absolutely balls out? I would hope that Doug has the sense to stick with the kid in that scenario. 

Certainly possible. I would hope Doug had the balls to do that. 

In Doug's PC he was pissed and depressed.  Carson here is kind of smiling and downplaying the problems, blaming injuries, is proud of the guys and "not so clean game from us offensively."  On ending in a tie he just said it was an "awkward way to end the game" and that the fight was there.  On interceptions blames the tipped pass (understandable) and just being aggressive.

I don't put toooo much stock in interviews, the coaches and players have to see how people are in the locker room and in practice.  But it appears over the weeks that Carson doesn't get how bad it is and that he needs to really change.  He reminds me of Reid's old days thinking they were "just a hair off."

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

Absolutely. 
 

Curious, do you still think there is no way Doug benches Wentz? I know we debated this prior to the Bengals game. I still think if they go 0-5-1 (more likely to happen than not), with Wentz continuing to play like crap, that he’ll get the hook. I am just wondering if yesterday’s game changed anything for you... in particular, I think Doug showed a huge lack of trust in Carson when he opted to punt on 4th and 12 from the Bengals 46 at the end of OT. If he had any faith in his QB, he let’s him try to pick up 12 damn yards, then spike the ball to attempt a field goal. 

I mean... Doug said in his post game presser that it isn't something he will even consider? Now we all know that we can't take Doug at his word on these things but no I don't think he will go down that route. If he benches Wentz then Doug will be culpable and so will Howie so I just don't see that. And if they bench him then how do they go back on that? And where do they go at that point? You can't keep him on the roster as the back up on that kind of money. Nobody is going to trade for him at that point either. I mean where do you go? I think he should be benched if these issues continue I just don't think the team will.

49 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean... Doug said in his post game presser that it isn't something he will even consider? Now we all know that we can't take Doug at his word on these things but no I don't think he will go down that route. If he benches Wentz then Doug will be culpable and so will Howie so I just don't see that. And if they bench him then how do they go back on that? And where do they go at that point? You can't keep him on the roster as the back up on that kind of money. Nobody is going to trade for him at that point either. I mean where do you go? I think he should be benched if these issues continue I just don't think the team will.

Fair enough. Despite what he says though, Doug to me is giving off the impression that he’s incredibly frustrated with Wentz. I don’t think he would ever actually say they are considering benching him until the move is actually made, but i 100% believe he’s thinking about it. 
 

Like I said, punting on 4th down at the end of OT told me everything I need to know about Doug’s confidence level with Wentz. 
 

Im betting that unless Carson has some miraculous turn around and starts balling out and steals a couple wins in these next 3 (I know, laughable), then Hurts gets the start. 
 

As far as his contract? Not sure it matters. You’re paying him either way... so do you pay him to lose you games, or do you pay him to sit while you evaluate what you may possibly have with Hurts?

5 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

I think we can all agree that Wentz is too talented for the level of play we're seeing thus far, right? His mechanics can be worked on and improved, so that isn't a big worry for me. What does worry me the most is that it seems like he isn't seeing the feild very well or processing information fast enough, which brings me to that dirty hit from Clowney. Maybe that hit has caused some lasting effects?

 

I wonder this also.

Currently sitting at 3td 6int 🤦‍♂️

2 hours ago, nipples said:

Like I said, punting on 4th down at the end of OT told me everything I need to know about Doug’s confidence level with Wentz. 

That was the ultimate shot to Wentz. Doug will never admit that but that's the fact here. If he has any faith in Wentz then the offense stays out there. In previous years there's no way that Doug punts that. 

6 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

Well a QB working on mechanics is a constant thing throughout their career, and I hope Carson/coaching staff can get that sorted. However, if he has long lasting effects from that nasty hit that isn't something one can work on and improve. 

It was a bad hit but come on, people talk about it like he was in hospital at deaths door for a week afterwards or some nonsense. Lots of QB's take cheap shots and brutal hits, I remember Andre Ward absolutely levelling Manning in 06 or 07?  Brady got his bell royally rung by someone playing the Bills his first season, Rodgers has been concussed by some rough shots, they all managed to play at an elite level afterwards.

Maybe he's a small school QB who had potential to be elite with rigorous coaching but got his ring, got paid and got lazy, maybe 2017 was the outlier, not the other 4 seasons.

Great QB's elevate the players around them, they don't play to their level.

3 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Lots of QB's take cheap shots and brutal hits

Just ask Burrow after the hit he took from Malik yesterday. 

Can't stand this dude, but the shoe fits...