9 hours ago, NOTW said:

In Doug's PC he was pissed and depressed.  Carson here is kind of smiling and downplaying the problems, blaming injuries, is proud of the guys and "not so clean game from us offensively."  On ending in a tie he just said it was an "awkward way to end the game" and that the fight was there.  On interceptions blames the tipped pass (understandable) and just being aggressive.

I don't put toooo much stock in interviews, the coaches and players have to see how people are in the locker room and in practice.  But it appears over the weeks that Carson doesn't get how bad it is and that he needs to really change.  He reminds me of Reid's old days thinking they were "just a hair off."

 

 

 

Good! It's about time DP is pissed at Wentz! Here's what I would say to Wentz: "You think this is funny?! You want to blame injuries for your bad play?! You think how your playing is acceptable?! 12 turnover plays are not acceptable! I'll take that smile off your face real quick by benching you for game against 49ers! You'll stay benched until you straighten up!

7 hours ago, nipples said:

Fair enough. Despite what he says though, Doug to me is giving off the impression that he’s incredibly frustrated with Wentz. I don’t think he would ever actually say they are considering benching him until the move is actually made, but i 100% believe he’s thinking about it. 
 

Like I said, punting on 4th down at the end of OT told me everything I need to know about Doug’s confidence level with Wentz. 
 

Im betting that unless Carson has some miraculous turn around and starts balling out and steals a couple wins in these next 3 (I know, laughable), then Hurts gets the start. 
 

As far as his contract? Not sure it matters. You’re paying him either way... so do you pay him to lose you games, or do you pay him to sit while you evaluate what you may possibly have with Hurts?

Good! It would be about time DP is frustrated at Wentz! He needs to make next step and bench him. I don't care how much Wentz makes. This is time to bench Wentz. I've seen enough for 2.5 games. Reid benched McNabb against Ravens in 2008, and it worked. Maybe it will work for Wentz as well.

Did anyone else find it extremely off putting that Wentz kept smirking yesterday after he would make terrible mistakes.

10 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Did anyone else find it extremely off putting that Wentz kept smirking yesterday after he would make terrible mistakes.

I think during the heat of the moment yeah it is frustrating. But looking back? I think it's just a way of him dealing with what's doing on. He probably can't believe how badly things are going. 

16 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

I don't care what he says, what DP says, what the other coaches say, or his smile or anything else . . .

I want to see my football team play a game I can watch without yelling & screaming.

And if not I'm gonna stream Da Bears until I get bored.

This is getting  FUGLEY  and it don't figure to get better any time soon.

1 hour ago, McNabbIsDone said:

And if not I'm gonna stream Da Bears until I get bored.

Are Da Bears much better? I'm not sure they are. 

51 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Are Da Bears much better? I'm not sure they are. 

3-0 vs 0-2-1. 

One of my biggest and most glaring issues with Carson is how he has lost the ability to read defenses. This has become a demonstratively obvious issue with his maturation as a QB commanding the offense. In 2017 it was all, Carson can read defenses and dissect what they are trying to do and improvise from there. Then, each successive season it has become less and less apparent that he even knows what he is looking at. We all know he isn't Payton Manning, but, he should be a lot more clinical in his understanding of defenses. Now, Doug is talking about truncating the playbook, running tempo, and reducing the amount of information he has to process.

Carson has gone through a lot in the last 3 years, highest of the highs to the lowest of the lows. From Signing a huge contract, to getting married, to having a child. Add in the constant injuries, and the team chatter. His mettle is tarnishing quick. Which I think are all playing a role in affecting him.

4 minutes ago, seengreen said:

One of my biggest and most glaring issues with Carson is how he has lost the ability to read defenses. This has become a demonstratively obvious issue with his maturation as a QB commanding the offense. In 2017 it was all, Carson can read defenses and dissect what they are trying to do and improvise from there.

Do you think he lost the ability to read a defense, or like Chip Kelly, has Doug's system been figured out and it is easier for defenses to defend it and disguise how they are doing it ??

2 minutes ago, seengreen said:

One of my biggest and most glaring issues with Carson is how he has lost the ability to read defenses. This has become a demonstratively obvious issue with his maturation as a QB commanding the offense. In 2017 it was all, Carson can read defenses and dissect what they are trying to do and improvise from there. Then, each successive season it has become less and less apparent that he even knows what he is looking at. We all know he isn't Payton Manning, but, he should be a lot more clinical in his understanding of defenses. Now, Doug is talking about truncating the playbook, running tempo, and reducing the amount of information he has to process.

Carson has gone through a lot in the last 3 years, highest of the highs to the lowest of the lows. From Signing a huge contract, to getting married, to having a child. Add in the constant injuries, and the team chatter. His mettle is tarnishing quick. Which I think are all playing a role in affecting him.

Totally disagree, for the most part he's been making good reads just bad throws. Occasionally he makes the wrong read like on the first int against cincy but for the most part he's doing OK with his reads. His accuracy and timing are way off. Probably a combination of a lot of things and certainly one of which is he just needs to be better.

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Do you think he lost the ability to read a defense, or like Chip Kelly, has Doug's system been figured out and it is easier for defenses to defend it and disguise how they are doing it ??

 

15 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

Totally disagree, for the most part he's been making good reads just bad throws. Occasionally he makes the wrong read like on the first int against cincy but for the most part he's doing OK with his reads. His accuracy and timing are way off. Probably a combination of a lot of things and certainly one of which is he just needs to be better.

Carson has missed other reads in his progression to players who were more open if he went through the progressions of the routes being run. Doug's offense being figured out is not really anything new since he never had some game breaking offense to begin with. There comes a point where execution matters just as much as innovation. You can run the same play over and over, and a defense will know what is coming. But, if the offense executes properly, there is nothing the defense can do to stop it. Again, 3 years ago, he was salient enough to make throws to 2nd, 3rd reads. Now, if his 1st read isn't there, he doesn't go to 2, or 3. Against CIN, there were other routes more open than his primary 1st read. The line has given him time enough to make throws, his accuracy and what he is seeing/ reading have become more glaring. 

Confessions of a Wentz Washer:

I was once a Wentz Washer, I argued to get rid of Foles and roll with Wentz and for that I apologize. I realized the error of my ways after the Seattle game when once again Wentz was injured. Combine that with the weeks 1 and 2 performances I am officially done. Now if he turns his game around VERY soon and continues that throughout the season I will reassess, but as of now, he’s not franchise. Franchise beats the Bengals.

2 minutes ago, seengreen said:

 

Carson has missed other reads in his progression to players who were more open if he went through the progressions of the routes being run. Doug's offense being figured out is not really anything new since he never had some game breaking offense to begin with. There comes a point where execution matters just as much as innovation. You can run the same play over and over, and a defense will know what is coming. But, if the offense executes properly, there is nothing the defense can do to stop it. Again, 3 years ago, he was salient enough to make throws to 2nd, 3rd reads. Now, if his 1st read isn't there, he doesn't go to 2, or 3. Against CIN, there were other routes more open than his primary 1st read. The line has given him time enough to make throws, his accuracy and what he is seeing/ reading have become more glaring. 

And some of the videos floating around out there pointing to wide open receivers can be misleading too. Sometimes those guys aren't even part of the progression on a certain play. Has he missed some reads? Absolutely. Is it as bad as some make it out to be? No. His accuracy and timing are the bigger issues.

1 minute ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

And some of the videos floating around out there pointing to wide open receivers can be misleading too. Sometimes those guys aren't even part of the progression on a certain play. Has he missed some reads? Absolutely. Is it as bad as some make it out to be? No. His accuracy and timing are the bigger issues.

I don't agree. But, they all are a part of his decline currently.

7 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

3-0 vs 0-2-1. 

Haha very very funny!

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Haha very very funny!

What's so funny ??   

Eagle Joe was merely using the mathematics of the team winning % as an example of why Da Bears

are leaps & bounds ahead of our Dirty Birds. I'd say a winning % of  1.000  over  .167  is fairly huge, yes?

Nothing funny about that.      

14 hours ago, downundermike said:

Do you think he lost the ability to read a defense, or like Chip Kelly, has Doug's system been figured out and it is easier for defenses to defend it and disguise how they are doing it ??

This season he has routinely missed throws and has failed to see wide open receivers seemingly every play. You can complain about Doug's system all you want, but Doug's system isn't making him fail to read the field or miss TD throws.

6 hours ago, McNabbIsDone said:

What's so funny ??   

Eagle Joe was merely using the mathematics of the team winning % as an example of why Da Bears

are leaps & bounds ahead of our Dirty Birds. I'd say a winning % of  1.000  over  .167  is fairly huge, yes?

Nothing funny about that.      

I misread. I thought the point that was being made was that with Foles here we'd be 3-0. My bad. 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I misread. I thought the point that was being made was that with Foles here we'd be 3-0. My bad. 

I don’t know about 3-0, but if he was here playing like he did last week for the Bears, we’d be 2-1. No doubt in my mind that even just average, competent QB play beats the Football Team and Bengals. 
 

Wentz has cost them soooo many points already. Overthrowing Reagor for what would be a long TD in week 1. Totally missed seeing a wide open Goedert against the Rams for what would have been another TD. Overthrowing Sanders who was three steps beyond defender streaking down the sideline week 3. And that’s just the glaring obvious ones. Who knows how many more points they score on all those drives that ended in turnovers. 

11 minutes ago, nipples said:

I don’t know about 3-0, but if he was here playing like he did last weak for the Bears, we’d be 2-1. No doubt in my mind that even just average, competent QB play beats the Football Team and Bengals. 

It would have been enough to beat the Bungles yeah. WFT... Maybe but maybe not. I think the defense went soft in that game in the end after a good start. 

23 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It would have been enough to beat the Bungles yeah. WFT... Maybe but maybe not. I think the defense went soft in that game in the end after a good start. 

I don’t think the defense went soft so much as they were put in horrible field position constantly by Wentz turnovers. Pretty sure 20 of Washington’s points came off turnovers giving them the ball at midfield or better. Not to mention even just hitting Reagor for that easy TD just before half time was a huge momentum swing if you go into the half after scoring that late TD. 

21 minutes ago, nipples said:

I don’t think the defense went soft so much as they were put in horrible field position constantly by Wentz turnovers. Pretty sure 20 of Washington’s points came off turnovers giving them the ball at midfield or better. Not to mention even just hitting Reagor for that easy TD just before half time was a huge momentum swing if you go into the half after scoring that late TD. 

A couple failed 4th down conversions helped Washington also. I believe all of their points came off turnovers either by Wentz or on downs. 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

I don’t think the defense went soft so much as they were put in horrible field position constantly by Wentz turnovers. Pretty sure 20 of Washington’s points came off turnovers giving them the ball at midfield or better. Not to mention even just hitting Reagor for that easy TD just before half time was a huge momentum swing if you go into the half after scoring that late TD. 

They were up against a terrible offense though. An offense that scored 27 points on them... or maybe it was 21 points as their D scored 6 of them. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They were up against a terrible offense though. An offense that scored 27 points on them... or maybe it was 21 points as their D scored 6 of them. 

Regardless of Washington’s **** offense, my point was if Wentz plays even average in week 1, they likely win that game. He was so bad he was responsible for setting up basically all of Washington’s points. 

 

On 9/29/2020 at 3:39 AM, T-1000 said:

Did anyone else find it extremely off putting that Wentz kept smirking yesterday after he would make terrible mistakes.

His body language after every bad drive to me says that he never thinks it's his fault.