53 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

His body language after every bad drive to me says that he never thinks it's his fault.

Goes to my point that I made on another thread. His body language is way off on the sidelines after a bad series. He is usually sitting by himself kinda like staring off into space. He doesn't seem to interact with his teammates and he most certainly doesn't think anything is his fault. I know you all are tired of hearing about Nick Foles but he would be on the sidelines hyping his teammates up and talking to them....not off to himself. 

7 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Goes to my point that I made on another thread. His body language is way off on the sidelines after a bad series. He is usually sitting by himself kinda like staring off into space. He doesn't seem to interact with his teammates and he most certainly doesn't think anything is his fault. I know you all are tired of hearing about Nick Foles but he would be on the sidelines hyping his teammates up and talking to them....not off to himself. 

Exactly. I started noticing this about a year ago. I'm glad others are finally starting to take notice. To add to that, while Wentz isolates himself after bad series, you also see no attempt by Doug or some member of the coaching staff to engage him either. The overall sense is that Wentz is just out there winging it, doesn't recognize that he needs help, and his coaches don't seem inclined to help him out during the games, either. The whole situation reeks of entitlement.

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Exactly. I started noticing this about a year ago. I'm glad others are finally starting to take notice. To add to that, while Wentz isolates himself after bad series, you also see no attempt by Doug or some member of the coaching staff to engage him either. The overall sense is that Wentz is just out there winging it, doesn't recognize that he needs help, and his coaches don't seem inclined to help him out during the games, either. The whole situation reeks of entitlement.

Totally agreed. It is very disconcerting to see your franchise act like that. I do not remember the last time I have seen this from one of our QB's (or is it I have NEVER seen this) after a bad series. I remember Donovan engaging his teammates...Vick....etc. It's like an alcoholic who refuses to seek help even though he knows he is killing himself internally. It also speaks to what was 'leaked' to the media about him being a bad teammate. Looks like everything is coming to light and those anonymous sources weren't just saying those things to stir up some drama. 

You simply cannot lead a team while looking down on those who are your supporting cast. This actually reminds me of the movie "Any Given Sunday" when they refused to play for Jamie Foxx because his ego had gotten out of control...

1 minute ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Totally agreed. It is very disconcerting to see your franchise act like that. I do not remember the last time I have seen this from one of our QB's (or is it I have NEVER seen this) after a bad series. I remember Donovan engaging his teammates...Vick....etc. It's like an alcoholic who refuses to seek help even though he knows he is killing himself internally. It also speaks to what was 'leaked' to the media about him being a bad teammate. Looks like everything is coming to light and those anonymous sources weren't just saying those things to stir up some drama. 

You simply cannot lead a team while looking down on those who are your supporting cast. This actually reminds me of the movie "Any Given Sunday" when they refused to play for Jamie Foxx because his ego had gotten out of control...

Its funny because just last year teammates were praising him for his leadership and his belief and trust in them.  No it's the opposite it seems in everyone's eyes.

So which is it?  When things are bad its nobody likes him and he's not a team guy.  When things are good its he's a great leader, team guy, etc.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Its funny because just last year teammates were praising him for his leadership and his belief and trust in them.  No it's the opposite it seems in everyone's eyes.

So which is it?  When things are bad its nobody likes him and he's not a team guy.  When things are good its he's a great leader, team guy, etc.

I get what you are saying but haven't certain people been saying he is NOT a team guy for some time now?

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

So which is it?  When things are bad its nobody likes him and he's not a team guy.  When things are good its he's a great leader, team guy, etc.

Seems like it. Just watch the games, they're probably a microcosm of everything. On scoring drives, he's very engaging, always out there high-fiving and jumping around with his teammates. After bad drives, he avoids everyone and sulks on the bench.

All of this is stuff about his body language and sideline demeanor and especially blaming everyone but himself is total crap by people who aren't there and just going off what they see. His teammates and coaches have a totally different take. I'm inclined to believe them then some of you arm chair psycho analysts. Think most of you are seeing what you want to see, it's easy to kick someone when they're down I suppose.

3 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

All of this is stuff about his body language and sideline demeanor and especially blaming everyone but himself is total crap by people who aren't there and just going off what they see. His teammates and coaches have a totally different take. I'm inclined to believe them then some of you arm chair psycho analysts. Think most of you are seeing what you want to see, it's easy to kick someone when they're down I suppose.

We're fans. All we can do is go by what we see. You can interpret Wentz's behavior whatever way you like, but don't you think it's maybe just a bit insightful to consider how Wentz acts on the field compared to how other franchise QBs usually do in similar situations? Seems like a valid exercise when trying to analyze the situation from the outside.

I wouldn't expect his teammates to handle the situation any differently with the media than how they are. If they're professionals, they won't throw him under the bus publicly.

8 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

I get what you are saying but haven't certain people been saying he is NOT a team guy for some time now?

What it tells me is some teammates probably dont like him.  That's not surprising.  I'm sure some teammates hated Brady or Rodgers too.  Not everyone is going to get along.

Question is how many?  There are 53 guys plus PS.  If 4 or 5 dislike him and release anonymous quotes, it makes it seem as though the majority of the team dislikes him.  But it might not be the case.  I dont know, just speculating.

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

We're fans. All we can do is go by what we see. You can interpret Wentz's behavior whatever way you like, but don't you think it's maybe just a bit insightful to consider how Wentz acts on the field compared to how other franchise QBs usually do in similar situations? Seems like a valid exercise when trying to analyze the situation from the outside.

I wouldn't expect his teammates to handle the situation any differently with the media than how they are. If they're professionals, they won't throw him under the bus publicly.

You've never seen Brady rant on the sideline or sit by himself with the tablet? You must not watch many other games.

6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

We're fans. All we can do is go by what we see. You can interpret Wentz's behavior whatever way you like, but don't you think it's maybe just a bit insightful to consider how Wentz acts on the field compared to how other franchise QBs usually do in similar situations? Seems like a valid exercise when trying to analyze the situation from the outside.

I wouldn't expect his teammates to handle the situation any differently with the media than how they are. If they're professionals, they won't throw him under the bus publicly.

Spot on bud. 

We don't know what's truly going on, on the sidelines, we don't know what's happening in practice or the locker room. What we know is what's happening based on what we can see. 

11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Seems like it. Just watch the games, they're probably a microcosm of everything. On scoring drives, he's very engaging, always out there high-fiving and jumping around with his teammates. After bad drives, he avoids everyone and sulks on the bench.

I know some make a big deal that he doesnt approach teammates after a bad drive.  But shouldn't some teammates approach him too.  After he throws a pick I'd at least approach him and say dont worry, shake it off, move on to the next drive, etc.

Watch other QBs when they have a bad drive or turnover.  They sit on the bench by themselves too and nobody approaches them.  Not just Carson.  Not every QB acts like Russell Wilson or Foles after a bad play/drive.

4 hours ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

You've never seen Brady rant on the sideline or sit by himself with the tablet? You must not watch many other games.

I didn't say other guys never do that, but Wentz does it all the time. It's also a little different for guys that have the clout that comes with decades of success like Brady and Rogers. They are the exception and can get away with things that most others cannot. Those guys command a a greater degree of respect and get a longer leash than most due their sustained excellence on the field.

Whether it's an ego thing or not with Wentz is honestly beside the point. Whatever the reason is for his behavior when the team is struggling, it's clearly not working. He needs to try a different approach to turn things around.

6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I watch as many games every week as I can. It's all I do on Sundays. I didn't say other guys never do that, but Wentz does it all the time. Whether it's an ego thing or not is honestly beside the point. Whatever the reason is for his behavior, it's clearly not working. He needs to try a different approach to turn things around.

Like I said you're seeing what you want to

8 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

Like I said you're seeing what you want to

That's just not how I approach things. I don't come with an idea and then look for things to confirm it. I look at things and then interpret what I think it means. I certainly don't want Wentz to fail. Like I said, I only started to think these things about him last year. I really didn't start getting critical of Wentz until a full year after his knee injury. You can disagree, and that's fine, but the defensive nature of your remarks makes it seem like you're basically taking a simple disagreement between us and turning it into a personal attack on me because you're particularly sensitive to any criticism of Wentz.

1 hour ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

 

No, he can't.

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

No, he can't.

I think it's still too early to definitively say that he can't, but with each passing week, it seems less and less likely that this coaching staff has what it takes to do the job.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

That's just not how I approach things. I don't come with an idea and then look for things to confirm it. I look at things and then interpret what I think it means. I certainly don't want Wentz to fail. Like I said, I only started to think these things about him last year. I really didn't start getting critical of Wentz until a full year after his knee injury. You can disagree, and that's fine, but the defensive nature of your remarks look like you're basically taking a simple disagreement and turning it into a personal attack on me because you're particularly sensitive to any criticism of Wentz.

Not attacking you personally at all and I'm not at all sensitive to any criticism of Wentz. He deserves criticism, I just think most of that psycho babble is nonsense. If you want to believe that's the problem so be it. 

39 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

After bad drives, he avoids everyone and sulks on the bench.

Maybe he should be  out there high-fiving and jumping around with his teammates after bad drives,........you think??

Point being, give the guy a break, everyone handles disappointment differently.

2 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Maybe he should be  out there high-fiving and jumping around with his teammates after bad drives,........you think??

Maybe. I think more often than not, the top QBs take an upbeat approach, work with their coaches, and try to rally their teammates after bad series. Whatever he's doing right now clearly isn't the answer.

 

Even better video here of Brady's rants: 

Haha

4 hours ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

 

 

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4 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I didn't say other guys never do that, but Wentz does it all the time. It's also a little different for guys that have the clout that comes with decades of success like Brady and Rogers. They are the exception and can get away with things that most others cannot. Those guys command a a greater degree of respect and get a longer leash than most due their sustained excellence on the field.

 

On 9/13/2020 at 8:53 PM, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Dude should never have got married

 

Yea women are bad juju for him. What he needs is big Nick!