1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

His decision making was much improved. He didn't really have the high throws he typically does --- I think he was settled down a bit today (which is remarkable based on the offensive lineman we are having to use) . The INT was just a pass batted at the LOS and he salvaged possession after the wild snap. He had to buy some time today with his legs and that didn't end up hurting us. He still has more things to work on --- but maybe the most important thing I saw today was that he had no choice but to trust the other guys out there. IMO, in the past, trust was a weakness of his. I really believe that's part of why Hollins and JJAW lacked meaningful production in the last 2 seasons. But tonight, hopefully he learned a lesson that helps the whole team moving forward. 

He certainly looked better today than he has all season short of the first half of the WFT game. Hopefully he builds off this, but he shouldn’t for a moment think he’s back. He still has a lot of work to do. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I also gave Mialata props. He was good tonight. 

Show off. 

The answer for Wentz: practice squad receivers!

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

The answer for Wentz: practice squad receivers!

It seems so doesn't it! Apparently he just allows them to do their thing and he puts the ball in positions where they can make plays. It's almost like he loses trust with some receivers and once he loses that trust he just flat out ignores them. 

Wentz spread the ball around better last night, which is vital to his success.  He was going thru his reads a little better and the one tipped INT was just a good defensive play.  This was a hard fought win that they really needed.  

There are a lot of reasons for Wentz's struggles, but most fans aren't interested in the reasons or how to solve them...they just call them excuses and declare he's not very good or blah, blah, blah.  Last night showed that he is still battling with himself, but making progress.  And with all the injuries on offense, that's really all we can hope for right now.   That Wentz continues to protect the ball, make critical plays and keep improving accuracy and building his confidence.  

This is why debating Wentz is difficult.  He's inconsistent and plays poorly with all his playmakers then sometimes performs well with practice squad guys.

People argue he doesn't perform well because of injuries and he doesn't have anyone to throw to.  But when he had Goedert, Reagor, Jackson, Ertz, Sanders and Scott along with Peters, Lane and Seumalo on the O line he played poorly.

Last night he's got practice squad receivers and rookies on the O line and he played better.

Some of it is play calling as well.  But you can't argue that lack of WRs is the only issue when he played poorly with his playmakers but better with practice squad scrubs.

Wentz sucked again except one throw, let’s discuss the two miles sanders passes 

I was glad to see better decision making from Wentz on some plays..then others where he was risking too much by forcing throws again.  He seems to only perform well as a gunslinger with the ability to run around and create.  He seems to not do as well within the structure of the plays where he has to stand in the pocket and read the defense and deliver to the playmakers.  

Part of this is on Doug and his 14 offensive coaches to design a scheme and plays that play to his strengths.  Part of it is Wentz making better decisions.

16 minutes ago, NOTW said:

This is why debating Wentz is difficult.  He's inconsistent and plays poorly with all his playmakers then sometimes performs well with practice squad guys.

People argue he doesn't perform well because of injuries and he doesn't have anyone to throw to.  But when he had Goedert, Reagor, Jackson, Ertz, Sanders and Scott along with Peters, Lane and Seumalo on the O line he played poorly.

Last night he's got practice squad receivers and rookies on the O line and he played better.

Some of it is play calling as well.  But you can't argue that lack of WRs is the only issue when he played poorly with his playmakers but better with practice squad scrubs.

There are a lot of variables with QB play.....it's not just the personnel or even the playcalling.  It's a highly technical position that is also very dependent on a guy's confidence.  Bad habits can be formed quickly and take longer to iron out.   Timing and chemistry is vital to being productive......and WRs are coming and going....speed, route running, and ability to create any space varies from one WR to another.

Right now, Wentz's mechanics are f----- up, although he was better last night......but his footwork, his pocket movement and even his delivery at times is all over the place.  And one thing that everybody seems to ignore about Wentz that everybody loved when he came here is his competitiveness.....he wants and expects to be productive and win.  And when he is struggling he will force things.  Last night was a good step forward where he didn't do that alot. 

Whether or not he's playing with a full starting cast or not, he needs to continue to iron out these issues. Last night was a good step, but it certainly isn't a straight line ascension.

 

22 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Wentz sucked again except one throw, let’s discuss the two miles sanders passes 

It's fair to be critical of Wentz this season, but poor take.

What’s with that

Wentz played better, you have to admit. Still some bad throws but improved. 

It's very bizarre that he seems better with practice squad guys. If Fulgham continues to play at a high level, Ward remains consistent and Reagor and Goedert return and play at the level we've seen, we'll have to see if Wentz improves or remains inconsistent. 

With improved O line and receivers making plays it takes the excuses away if Wentz isn't performing. We'll see.

He does seam to have a spider sense, I remember this one play Sunday where he ducked like he knew someone was behind him without even seeing him and the guy totally missed the tackle. It was actually something you hardly ever see, and he’s made plays like that before many times seeing them coming, only this time he didn’t see em. 

Wentz is playing better, still some turnover and decision issues.  But there's a difference we're seeing as he continues to be up and down.  But I notice in his recent press conferences he seems more confident and happy despite the losses.  Seems like he's more focused.

• Earlier in the season:  with more starters and a more stable O line he was struggling and playing badly.
• Last couple games:  makeshift O line and losing most of the playmakers and he played better.  Go figure.

It seems that play calling is a factor because getting him out in space to create makes him more comfortable.  Chemistry with receivers is not a valid argument with him because he's not been connecting with Ertz and hasn't been throwing to JJAW but has gone to new guys like Ward, Burnett, Fulgham and Croom (who?).

19 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Wentz is playing better, still some turnover and decision issues.  But there's a difference we're seeing as he continues to be up and down.  But I notice in his recent press conferences he seems more confident and happy despite the losses.  Seems like he's more focused.

• Earlier in the season:  with more starters and a more stable O line he was struggling and playing badly.
• Last couple games:  makeshift O line and losing most of the playmakers and he played better.  Go figure.

It seems that play calling is a factor because getting him out in space to create makes him more comfortable.  Chemistry with receivers is not a valid argument with him because he's not been connecting with Ertz and hasn't been throwing to JJAW but has gone to new guys like Ward, Burnett, Fulgham and Croom (who?).

I truly am open minded with Wentz. Everything you say is right. He's played pretty well over the last 3 weeks. He still needs to be better.

Let's see if he can continue to play well when the talent around him improves. 

56 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Last couple games:  makeshift O line and losing most of the playmakers and he played better.  Go figure.

I know it's a positive that he's stepping up more now that the team need him... But I don't understand why it seems to take this desperate situation for him to do that. He did the same thing last year too.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I know it's a positive that he's stepping up more now that the team need him... But I don't understand why it seems to take this desperate situation for him to do that. He did the same thing last year too.

I agree completely and the entire team gets themselves in a hole 3 seasons in a row now and then has to fight back.  I don't know if they are overconfident and then step up when losing, or injuries cause them to rally, if some of the veterans are complacent and the young guys are hungrier, I don't get it.  But they're inconsistent and Wentz has been up and down over 3 years.  You don't know which Carson you're going to get each game.

Just now, NOTW said:

I agree completely and the entire team gets themselves in a hole 3 seasons in a row now and then has to fight back.  I don't know if they are overconfident and then step up when losing, or injuries cause them to rally, if some of the veterans are complacent and the young guys are hungrier, I don't get it.  But they're inconsistent and Wentz has been up and down over 3 years.  You don't know which Carson you're going to get each game.

And that's such an issue for this team. I mean I know we are tied in to Wentz but not knowing which Carson is going to show up each game is a real problem. How can this team achieve what it wants to achieve with such an up and down QB?

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I know it's a positive that he's stepping up more now that the team need him... But I don't understand why it seems to take this desperate situation for him to do that. He did the same thing last year too.

To be fair, he hit Agholor for the game winner in Atlanta and to tie against New England, he dropped both.

He hit Goedert and JJAW for what would've been game winning TDs in Detroit, both dropped.

Defense in three of the other losses gave up 37, 37 and 38.

He was fine last season, just surrounded by relatively no talent on offense and an extremely inconsistent, sometimes terrible defense.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And that's such an issue for this team. I mean I know we are tied in to Wentz but not knowing which Carson is going to show up each game is a real problem. How can this team achieve what it wants to achieve with such an up and down QB?

I'm not sure. I'm no X's and O's expert but it just seems to me that when he's allowed to create and move around and make things happen he thrives on that ability.  Also using his legs to run for yardage and extend plays.  

I think what needs to happen is Doug needs a legit OC who calls the plays, and perhaps a new QB coach.  Carson also needs stability.  The O line, WR, TE, RB, injuries everywhere.  What's odd is when he has most guys healthy he doesn't always perform.  The team needs to be more consistent overall.  I think we can handle the "gunslinger" Carson when things are going well but you ride or die with that.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1809059907532

Cowherd on Carson 

3 hours ago, NoDak Eagle said:

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1809059907532

Cowherd on Carson 

Damn straight. These people are going to be sorry some day when he's retired and we're trying to find a competent QB.

8 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Damn straight. These people are going to be sorry some day when he's retired and we're trying to find a competent QB.

I love Carson. He has the ability. But I also have to call it like I see it. He's struggled and made bad decisions to begin the season and some stretches in each season since the SB. As I said, He's improved and looks more comfortable the last couple games. Just need to see consistency. 

24 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I love Carson. He has the ability. But I also have to call it like I see it. He's struggled and made bad decisions to begin the season and some stretches in each season since the SB. As I said, He's improved and looks more comfortable the last couple games. Just need to see consistency. 

This is what myself and others have been saying since the start of this thread though. He can look good or even elite for stretches but he doesn't do it on a consistent basis. Also, let's not get carried away. He has played much better in recent weeks and shown a ton of heart and determination. He is still making some wildly inaccurate throws even on screens and that fumble against Baltimore was just another example of him trying to do too much and making a costly mistake. I'd rather have Wentz than half of the QB's in the league right now, but he's still much closer to the Matt Ryans and Matthew Staffords of the world than the elite guys.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

This is what myself and others have been saying since the start of this thread though. He can look good or even elite for stretches but he doesn't do it on a consistent basis. Also, let's not get carried away. He has played much better in recent weeks and shown a ton of heart and determination. He is still making some wildly inaccurate throws even on screens and that fumble against Baltimore was just another example of him trying to do too much and making a costly mistake. I'd rather have Wentz than half of the QB's in the league right now, but he's still much closer to the Matt Ryans and Matthew Staffords of the world than the elite guys.

Can't argue with any of that. I think that's accurate. He needs to find a way to get consistent.