There are absolutely reasons why Wentz has struggled the last couple of years. Injuries to himself, constant changes around him, different offensive coaches, poor coaching etc etc etc. And despite that he has still put in some incredible performances and made some brilliant plays. Last night was another example of that. With the game on the line that throw to Hightower was breathtaking. And then the TD throw to Scott was ON THE MONEY. He has that in his locker and when he does that you realise what kind of player we could have... And yet... He still makes head scratching plays and makes some truly awful decisions. He still needs to be better, he needs to take better care of the football first and foremost.

I've been saying all along that I refuse to give up on him. Give him a solid and healthy core of receivers and his #1 OL, and he'll rip through defenses. He proved that in 2017, and he shows flashes of that now, with 3rd and 4th stringers.

39 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I've been saying all along that I refuse to give up on him. Give him a solid and healthy core of receivers and his #1 OL, and he'll rip through defenses. He proved that in 2017, and he shows flashes of that now, with 3rd and 4th stringers.

Thing is... And this isn't Wentz fault of course but... Will he never get that healthy core of receivers and mostly a #1 OL? The injuries at this point are not bad luck and coincidence surely? There has to be a reason... This is year 4 of these awful injuries.

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

Say what you want, but in a close game late in the 4th I have confidence in Wentz to get it done. For years all we heard was how he isn't clutch.

Can't say hes not anymore.

I think he did a good job easing a lot of that concern last year. He had the back to back games against the Giants and Redskins with late TD tying/winning drives. In addition, he should have had back to back weeks of go ahead/GW TD drives against Atlanta and Detroit. He did his part against Atlanta and Detroit. He just didn’t have anyone reliable at the other end. 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

He called Carson an elite quarterback and he also mentioned how difficult it is for Pederson to try and curve the dumb stuff (like throwing 30 yards against your body) while expecting Wentz to do what he does. Trying to find some consistency from Wentz is key. He can at times look like the best player on the field and in the same game look worse than a rookie. He needs to find that happy medium. 

He needs to find a solid oline. He's playing hero ball because he needs to be a hero to win games. 

 

4 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

He needs to find a solid oline. He's playing hero ball because he needs to be a hero to win games. 

True but there are sometimes when discretion is the better part of valor 

1 minute ago, greend said:

True but there are sometimes when discretion is the better part of valor 

Agreed. He's not perfect but if he actually had anything resembling protection we'd see a completely different Wentz. Last year with Ward and the no name WRs the line played decent down the stretch and Wentz was on fire. I'd love to see how the number of times he's hit this year compare s to David Carrs first year in Houston. 

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

Say what you want, but in a close game late in the 4th I have confidence in Wentz to get it done. For years all we heard was how he isn't clutch.

Can't say hes not anymore.

Agreed 

 

6 hours ago, Swoop said:

Say what you want, but in a close game late in the 4th I have confidence in Wentz to get it done. For years all we heard was how he isn't clutch.

Can't say hes not anymore.

Spot on! There was a time when people said he was not clutch but I think he has gone a long way this way to rewrite that particular narrative.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Surely the goal for all teams is to win the SB? So winning 1 play off game and picking in the 20's and keeping this FO and some of these coaches around is detrimental to that?

You are going to be disappointed.  This team is proving it has the ability to compete and win despite dire circumstances.  That says good things about the roster, coaches, and FO, not bad things.

5 hours ago, XoqTionR said:

I hope Wentz and the eagle's Rocky this season. Nothing short of super bowl will be acceptable. If eagles fall short it's time for changes all around.

You know, Rocky lost that fight at the end of Rocky.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You are going to be disappointed.  This team is proving it has the ability to compete and win despite dire circumstances.  That says good things about the roster, coaches, and FO, not bad things.

I looked it up, only 1 team can win the Super Bowl in a given year.

6 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You are going to be disappointed.  This team is proving it has the ability to compete and win despite dire circumstances.  That says good things about the roster, coaches, and FO, not bad things.

It says good things about the coaches yes, it says good things about the spirit of these players yes. It tells me this is still a bad roster that rallies around the HC. Howie has to go there is simply no defense for him.

14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It says good things about the coaches yes, it says good things about the spirit of these players yes. It tells me this is still a bad roster that rallies around the HC. Howie has to go there is simply no defense for him.

Won't happen.  Everyone clearly sees a team ravaged by injuries that still is competing.  Hate Howie all you want, but he'll still be the GM next year.

39 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Won't happen.  Everyone clearly sees a team ravaged by injuries that still is competing.  Hate Howie all you want, but he'll still be the GM next year.

I think he will yes, but he absolutely shouldn't. He's done a horrible job overall bar one flukey year. And yes that year was a great year for this franchise but that shouldn't give him a free pass. He's built this current roster which is not good enough and has injuries to players that lets be honest we could have forecast quite easily.

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he will yes, but he absolutely shouldn't. He's done a horrible job overall bar one flukey year. And yes that year was a great year for this franchise but that shouldn't give him a free pass. He's built this current roster which is not good enough and has injuries to players that lets be honest we could have forecast quite easily.

I’m not a big Howie fan, but I have to at least give him credit for adding Fulgham, And I think once he’s back on the field we’ll see that Reagor was a great pick, and Hightower is a guy I’m still very high on as a nice 4th WR in the future. Also way too early to call, and now he’s hurt, but I do really like Wallace as the future starter at safety. I think in three years when we look back on it, this will look like a very good draft. 

1 minute ago, nipples said:

I’m not a big Howie fan, but I have to at least give him credit for adding Fulgham, And I think once he’s back on the field we’ll see that Reagor was a great pick, and Hightower is a guy I’m still very high on as a nice 4th WR in the future. Also way too early to call, and now he’s hurt, but I do really like Wallace as the future starter at safety. I think in three years when we look back on it, this will look like a very good draft. 

Howie has to go. He's done a horrible job of restocking this roster following the SB victory. He's done a horrible job of drafting overall and one draft isn't going to change that for me. I give him some credit for Fulgham sure... But then I also have to say that if this guy was on the PS earlier this season why didn't they promote him sooner? Could have given them a win over the Bungles? Could have given them something more against the no name football team. And lets not kid ourselves, he lucked in to this move because he had no choice. Same with Greg Ward. Those guys got their chance because of so many injuries, injuries to WRs that we all knew would miss time so he was forced to give Ward a chance and he was forced to give Fulgham his shot. Just like he has been forced to go with Butler and so far that move hasn't shown any signs of working out.

13 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

Was it before or after he did his line? 

I thought I was the only one who still made fun of Michael "crack" Irvin LMAO

59 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he will yes, but he absolutely shouldn't. He's done a horrible job overall bar one flukey year. And yes that year was a great year for this franchise but that shouldn't give him a free pass. He's built this current roster which is not good enough and has injuries to players that lets be honest we could have forecast quite easily.

He's not perfect, but despite your overreactive concepts, the Eagles haven't been an awful trash heap (except for the SB year) while Howie has been here.   There are some questionable contracts, but its that way on every team.  There are some underachieving draft picks on every team.  Some years (and decades), it just doesn't work out.  

As I have pointed out to your before, I have a feeling the Lurie, Doug, and Howie are fairly in tune with where the organization goes day-to-day and Howie just executes his part.  This singling out one person inside the organization is just silly, when you know damn well that he isn't operating with compete autonomy and running roughshod over everyone else. 

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

He's not perfect, but despite your overreactive concepts, the Eagles haven't been an awful trash heap (except for the SB year) while Howie has been here.   There are some questionable contracts, but its that way on every team.  There are some underachieving draft picks on every team.  Some years (and decades), it just doesn't work out.  

As I have pointed out to your before, I have a feeling the Lurie, Doug, and Howie are fairly in tune with where the organization goes day-to-day and Howie just executes his part.  This singling out one person inside the organization is just silly, when you know damn well that he isn't operating with compete autonomy and running roughshod over everyone else.

It isn't an overreaction though. He is terrible in the draft and the 1 thing we thought he was good at (cap management) actually now we face a real uphill battle to get under the cap next year so how is that an overreaction? He hasn't done a good job of making this roster younger and we have a bottom third of the league roster but face the biggest cap hit next year. So please do tell me how actually he isn't doing that badly?

Wentz is a good QB and I still take him over anyone else in the NFC East but bad oline/WRs or not he made terrible stupid decisions and seems to be lucky he hasn't turned the ball over more than he has. His ability or willingness to throw the ball away has nothing to do with the talent around him

16 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It isn't an overreaction though. He is terrible in the draft and the 1 thing we thought he was good at (cap management) actually now we face a real uphill battle to get under the cap next year so how is that an overreaction? He hasn't done a good job of making this roster younger and we have a bottom third of the league roster but face the biggest cap hit next year. So please do tell me how actually he isn't doing that badly?

The problem with your concept is that you assume that he, Doug, and Jeff Lurie didn't decide TOGETHER to sell their souls to repeat after the SB and this is just the process we have to go through because of that one call.  That one decision to carry over older players to go for the repeat is what you are seeing with the cap.  The drafting has been up and down, for sure, but we don't know who participated in those choices.  Again, assuming Howie makes every decision in a room by himself is just silly.  He oversees a large staff that Jeff Lurie has publicly stated that he wants to be a collaborative environment.  That means no decision is just his.  Maybe...just maybe...Jeff Lurie understands the calls that put us in this spot....just a few weeks ago, you stated that he should go, if this is the case (which is ridiculous).

I've debated this with you before (to no avail) and semi- enjoy it.  Fans (all of us) aren't professionals and none of us are privy to the workings or culture that Lurie has set up.  However, good organizations are collaborative and they weather bad times together.  Some of us (you and a few others) let emotion instead of logic and common sense drive your opinions and assume that every decision that doesn't go perfectly has to be pinned on someone.  It's too bad.  I used to really enjoy your posts.

16 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It isn't an overreaction though. He is terrible in the draft and the 1 thing we thought he was good at (cap management) actually now we face a real uphill battle to get under the cap next year so how is that an overreaction? He hasn't done a good job of making this roster younger and we have a bottom third of the league roster but face the biggest cap hit next year. So please do tell me how actually he isn't doing that badly?

Let's see how Howie handles the cap issue he created. 

 

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The problem with your concept is that you assume that he, Doug, and Jeff Lurie didn't decide TOGETHER to sell their souls to repeat after the SB and this is just the process we have to go through because of that one call.  That one decision to carry over older players to go for the repeat is what you are seeing with the cap.  The drafting has been up and down, for sure, but we don't know who participated in those choices.  Again, assuming Howie makes every decision in a room by himself is just silly.  He oversees a large staff that Jeff Lurie has publicly stated that he wants to be a collaborative environment.  That means no decision is just his.  Maybe...just maybe...Jeff Lurie understands the calls that put us in this spot....just a few weeks ago, you stated that he should go, if this is the case (which is ridiculous).

I've debated this with you before (to no avail) and semi- enjoy it.  Fans (all of us) aren't professionals and none of us are privy to the workings or culture that Lurie has set up.  However, good organizations are collaborative and they weather bad times together.  Some of us (you and a few others) let emotion instead of logic and common sense drive your opinions and assume that every decision that doesn't go perfectly has to be pinned on someone.  It's too bad.  I used to really enjoy your posts.

Well no hang on... I think Doug has done a really good job overall but he has his flaws. If Doug were to be fired then I could sort of understand that decision. So yes maybe it was that the 3 of them got together and sold their souls to repeat after the SB. Maybe all 3 have worked in complete harmony and it is the plan of all 3... If so then Lurie and Doug should both pay with their jobs.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Let's see how Howie handles the cap issue he created. 

 

First things first lets see if he now manages to trade Cox. If not then god knows why he just made the move he did to free up cap space this year.