I have to admit, after the first few games this season, I really started souring on Wentz for the first time since we've drafted him. I was getting fed up with him holding the ball for way too long and taking unnecessary sacks. He's won me back over the last 3 weeks, though. Sure, he's thrown a couple of bad picks, but the grittiness and heart he's shown while getting absolutely demolished has been nothing short of incredible. That throw to Scott was absolutely nuts. Fitting the ball into that window to a receiver who is 4'9" and absolutely blanketed. Incredible.

25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well no hang on... I think Doug has done a really good job overall but he has his flaws. If Doug were to be fired then I could sort of understand that decision. So yes maybe it was that the 3 of them got together and sold their souls to repeat after the SB. Maybe all 3 have worked in complete harmony and it is the plan of all 3... If so then Lurie and Doug should both pay with their jobs.

LOL!  C'mon, UK....you are better than this (or you are drunk).  When you typed that out, you knew your concept was stupid to its core.  Jeff Lurie is the Owner.  He isn't getting fired and he likely isn't firing Howie or Doug this year...and surely not because Eagles fans are whining (as usual).  Wanting this owner to leave just shows the newness of your fandom.

23 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I have to admit, after the first few games this season, I really started souring on Wentz for the first time since we've drafted him. I was getting fed up with him holding the ball for way too long and taking unnecessary sacks. He's won me back over the last 3 weeks, though. Sure, he's thrown a couple of bad picks, but the grittiness and heart he's shown while getting absolutely demolished has been nothing short of incredible. That throw to Scott was absolutely nuts. Fitting the ball into that window to a receiver who is 4'9" and absolutely blanketed. Incredible.

100% agree. Scott will be mad.... 5'6"

For me, I think Wentz is what he is - an incredible but unpolished talent. His recent poor play/ decision-making comes down to coaching (or lack thereof). I think there is certainly truth to the talk that he is tough to coach and this is confounded when he is being coached by his buddy Press Taylor. With DiFlippo, you could see the progression and improvement from year 1 to year 2  because he challenged Wentz. He has since regressed in his mechanics, fundamentals, & decision-making. I think they need some friction in that QB room. It can't all be balloons and birthday cakes and a room full of friends.

Now, above is not the only thing impacting things. He is not getting any favors from the injuries or talent gaps at WR & OL. Add to this, we have found that Peterson is not a great play designer/ caller and is stubborn in his approach (i.e. not putting Wentz on the move when he is clearly amazing when he is).

So I guess this was a long way of saying it's not just Wentz. It's a combo of things and coaching is the biggest issue for me. 

20 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

LOL!  C'mon, UK....you are better than this (or you are drunk).  When you typed that out, you knew your concept was stupid to its core.  Jeff Lurie is the Owner.  He isn't getting fired and he likely isn't firing Howie or Doug this year...and surely not because Eagles fans are whining (as usual).  Wanting this owner to leave just shows the newness of your fandom.

I didn't say Lurie though did I... sorry I meant Howie and Doug not Lurie and Doug. 

15 minutes ago, phillyfanct said:

For me, I think Wentz is what he is - an incredible but unpolished talent. His recent poor play/ decision-making comes down to coaching (or lack thereof). I think there is certainly truth to the talk that he is tough to coach and this is confounded when he is being coached by his buddy Press Taylor. With DiFlippo, you could see the progression and improvement from year 1 to year 2  because he challenged Wentz. He has since regressed in his mechanics, fundamentals, & decision-making. I think they need some friction in that QB room. It can't all be balloons and birthday cakes and a room full of friends.

Now, above is not the only thing impacting things. He is not getting any favors from the injuries or talent gaps at WR & OL. Add to this, we have found that Peterson is not a great play designer/ caller and is stubborn in his approach (i.e. not putting Wentz on the move when he is clearly amazing when he is).

So I guess this was a long way of saying it's not just Wentz. It's a combo of things and coaching is the biggest issue for me. 

I agree.  Interestingly, this is the same Wentz that we saw during the almost MVP year.  He just had a better OLine and receivers.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I didn't say Lurie though did I... sorry I meant Howie and Doug not Lurie and Doug. 

I thought it was the most insane thing that I had ever seen....except that you said the same thing a few weeks ago.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree.  Interestingly, this is the same Wentz that we saw during the almost MVP year.  He just had a better OLine and receivers.

Is it? So if the Eagles lose that game last night is that still the narrative? That Wentz was elite in that game? That we are seeing elite Wentz? 

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I thought it was the most insane thing that I had ever seen....except that you said the same thing a few weeks ago.

I didn't mean Lurie and also... no Lurie isn't going to fire himself of course not. But does that mean that we have to forever say he's a great owner? Because that's insane too. There are plenty of bad owners in the NFL. I don't think Lurie is one of them but there a bad owners. 

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I didn't mean Lurie and also... no Lurie isn't going to fire himself of course not. But does that mean that we have to forever say he's a great owner? Because that's insane too. There are plenty of bad owners in the NFL. I don't think Lurie is one of them but there a bad owners. 

Which is a high likelihood of what we will get when he is gone.  He has had alot of sustained success.  I dread the thought of another Tose or Braman regime....something you never experienced.

Two 70+ yard TD drives in about 6 minutes for a comeback win... that's pretty sick. Wentz had a horrible start to the season and looked like he actually lost his skills, but he still has them. He just needs to stop losing his discipline during the game. He gets too wild trying to make things happen too many times during the game. I guess that comes with the package, but he could be GREAT if he played with more control.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

I have to admit, after the first few games this season, I really started souring on Wentz for the first time since we've drafted him. I was getting fed up with him holding the ball for way too long and taking unnecessary sacks. He's won me back over the last 3 weeks, though. Sure, he's thrown a couple of bad picks, but the grittiness and heart he's shown while getting absolutely demolished has been nothing short of incredible. That throw to Scott was absolutely nuts. Fitting the ball into that window to a receiver who is 4'9" and absolutely blanketed. Incredible.

He's still doing that and it drives me nuts.  He's been playing better but his pocket presence may be the worst in the NFL.

36 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree.  Interestingly, this is the same Wentz that we saw during the almost MVP year.  He just had a better OLine and receivers.

and running game with Blount and Ajayi.

11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

He's still doing that and it drives me nuts.  He's been playing better but his pocket presence may be the worst in the NFL.

and running game with Blount and Ajayi.

Hard to have that with this oline. One play they seem to be decent then the next there are 5 guys in Wentz lap when he stops his drop. 

Nothing changed, the Giants are the worst team in the nfl not named the Jets

Kellerman breaks it down well 

14 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

He's still doing that and it drives me nuts.  He's been playing better but his pocket presence may be the worst in the NFL.

and running game with Blount and Ajayi.

Yeah, his instincts seem to tell him to always try to make a play. I think that's just who he is. He could definitely work on throwing it away more, but behind this offensive line, he's going to take some sacks regardless.

42 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Which is a high likelihood of what we will get when he is gone.  He has had alot of sustained success.  I dread the thought of another Tose or Braman regime....something you never experienced.

And I'm not saying I want Lurie gone. I'm saying if he doesn't make changes after the evidence we have seen then in my opinion he is becoming part of the problem but I'm not saying he needs to go. 

25 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Nothing changed, the Giants are the worst team in the nfl not named the Jets

Kellerman breaks it down well 

Well, now I know your opinion is terrible if you watch that hack 😁

2 hours ago, phillyfanct said:

For me, I think Wentz is what he is - an incredible but unpolished talent. His recent poor play/ decision-making comes down to coaching (or lack thereof). I think there is certainly truth to the talk that he is tough to coach and this is confounded when he is being coached by his buddy Press Taylor. With DiFlippo, you could see the progression and improvement from year 1 to year 2  because he challenged Wentz. He has since regressed in his mechanics, fundamentals, & decision-making. I think they need some friction in that QB room. It can't all be balloons and birthday cakes and a room full of friends.

Now, above is not the only thing impacting things. He is not getting any favors from the injuries or talent gaps at WR & OL. Add to this, we have found that Peterson is not a great play designer/ caller and is stubborn in his approach (i.e. not putting Wentz on the move when he is clearly amazing when he is).

So I guess this was a long way of saying it's not just Wentz. It's a combo of things and coaching is the biggest issue for me. 

Totally agree... I want to like Press Taylor, but Wentz's mechanics have taken a nosedive and he is making rookie mistakes in his 5th year. You could definitely see growth under DeFillipo and it is a complete crapshoot today. I do think the o-line play is playing a pretty significant role. Carson has a tendency to be a bit of a gunslinger, and the fact that he is consistently under pressure has exasperated this inclination. We have seen a significant rise in his extended play heroics (dangerous passes/plays as he tries to avoid sacks), and it has really hurt this team.

A major part of the reason we have seen these bad picks from Wentz is the trash playcalling. So tired of watching other teams scheme guys open while we run the same predictable plays and expect Wentz to be God. Literally the only reason we are in these games is because of his ability to extend and make plays where there are none. Get a new fing coach in here and make it a bit easier on the guy... I feel bad for him running for his life taking a beating because of horrible predictable playcalling

I didn't see it that way. Wentz is wildly inconsistent. 
One minute he's inaccurate, throwing bad passes and making bad decisions.
Then he confounds with the last minute heroics including that perfect TD pass to Scott.

He has captivating talent but unless he starts playing like a 5 year vet it's not going to work. 

It's pretty bad when Aikman and Bradshaw both comment how incredibly awful that across the field throw was.  Aikman stopped and said you young players out there, never ever do that and that's the kind of thing that will get you benched.  Dang.

That was very dangerously almost an interception.  A couple other plays he was being pressured and instead of protecting the ball by either tucking it and taking a sack, or throwing it away out of harm's way he tried to force it with a foolish shovel pass or throw that were also almost intercepted.  Then there was the interception.

Yes, the team has been injured and the O line play has been shaky.  But that doesn't mean he has to make incredibly stupid decisions and terrible throws like that...

...however he then puts together great drives, makes heroic plays and shows his toughness and manages incredibly accurate throws.  There are 2 types of Carson Wentz out there every game.  And when bad Wentz makes stupid plays the critics point it out and the defenders cry "you're just a hater" instead of agreeing that it was a terrible throw.  Then he does something great and the defenders come out of the woodworks "see?!  Wentz is great, suck it haters!"

The reality is that we see 2 types of Wentz every game.  The hero, gunslinger Brett Favre mentality creates an unpredictable player who can be erratic and careless one series, and the next series put the team on his back and look amazing.  That's the reality and both "sides" of the argument are right because he is both those things.

Ultimately when it results in wins no one cares about a few bad throws.  

And you can't argue that having injured guys back will necessarily fix it because early in the season both last year and this year when he had his starters he was playing poorly, then stepped it up when they were losing and relying on backups.  

It's a combination of things. Bad play calling and injuries, especially on the OL. It would be hard for any QB to have much success with this makeshift OL. Thankfully, Jason Kelce is still healthy.

Some of it is on Wentz, though. The INT he threw yesterday was flat out dumb. Also, throwing across your body is never a wise move.

1 minute ago, Hawkeye said:

I didn't see it that way. Wentz is wildly inconsistent. 
One minute he's inaccurate, throwing bad passes and making bad decisions.
Then he confounds with the last minute heroics including that perfect TD pass to Scott.

He has captivating talent but unless he starts playing like a 5 year vet it's not going to work. 

He is inconsistent but no qb is 100 percent accurate, especially when they are forced to throw into tight coverage with guys bearing down on them every single play and no run game to speak of. 

1 minute ago, PhillyPhreak24 said:

It's a combination of things. Bad play calling and injuries, especially on the OL. It would be hard for any QB to have much success with this makeshift OL. Thankfully, Jason Kelce is still healthy.

Some of it is on Wentz, though. The INT he threw yesterday was flat out dumb. Also, throwing across your body is never a wise move

QBs throw across their body all the time in today's nfl. Fulgham was there and had it in his hands. Also the pick was a poor decision but it would have been a 50 50 ball had the receiver not turned the other way as the ball was being thrown. 

Watching the Thursday night game, I am finding it hard to grade Wentz's performance in a bubble.  With the way our Oline was playing how much of Wentz's performance was impacted.  Granted he can get the ball out faster but that is only possible if their are routes getting open as fast as the D-line is getting through.