I said it after his first season (long before he got hurt in the Rams game) Wentz is a showboat who puts himself at risk for injury and makes low percentage plays hoping to dazzle everyone with how great he is. Yes he has amazing talent and if he could discipline himself he'd be legendary. Unfortunately he'll probably end his career like McNabb, with no ring. Or on another big injury when he runs into another meat grinder.

In last night's game he clearly had eyes on a wide open WR downfield for a 1st on 3rd down - the nearest DB 5 yards away, then he pulled down the ball and ran into a brick wall. Nobody cares because he squeaked out a victory... over the mighty Gnats.

Doug has a similar problem. He might call a 99% perfect game but the stupid !% calls might define his career.

16 minutes ago, eaglegenius said:

. Unfortunately he'll probably end his career like McNabb, with no ring.

 

Wentz does have a ring 

2 hours ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

Hard to have that with this oline. One play they seem to be decent then the next there are 5 guys in Wentz lap when he stops his drop. 

So then it's a good idea to just stand there while the pocket is collapsing.  He does that quite alot.

Bad O-line or not he has no pocket presence.  He thinks he's invincible back there or something.

WHAT IS THE D@MN HOLD UP.  GET QUINTON SPAIN IN HERE TODAY.

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

Yeah, his instincts seem to tell him to always try to make a play. I think that's just who he is. He could definitely work on throwing it away more, but behind this offensive line, he's going to take some sacks regardless.

Every QB will take a sack here and there.  He takes too many unnecessary ones.  He needs to get the ball out quickly.  He had chances to throw right away to the outside where Scott or another RB had some space to work with.

7 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

Wentz does have a ring 

And Wentz did play a part in that ring too.  Of course he didnt play in the game but was a big reason we got there.

Hard to get excited about wentz in that last drive against the Giants when they were in prevent defense, i still see a very sloppy quarterback who makes really bad decisions during regular gameplay, we were lucky to get out of there against a very bad giants team and wentz still does not impress me

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And I'm not saying I want Lurie gone. I'm saying if he doesn't make changes after the evidence we have seen then in my opinion he is becoming part of the problem but I'm not saying he needs to go. 

For clarification, the only evidence that any of us has is what we project.  I don't see the huge issues organizationally that you do.  I see some multi-year health issues that we need to figure out, but I am not putting a ton of stock into this year win or lose.

I'm concerned about what Wentz said in a postgame interview, but it basically confirms what I've believed. He isn't coachable. He's going to do what he wants to do.  He said he is going to take risks because that is who he is.  He said he isn't changing.  So, we are going to see big plays, but also bad decisions. If our team is great talent-wise, then Wentz will be elite. If the team has issues, then Wentz won't play situational football. He will throw into coverage and put the defense in binds,  instead of recognizing that a punt or field goal is okay under certain circumstances.  He will hold the ball 10 seconds and take sacks/fumbles because he always wants the big play, instead of weighing the big play potential vs. living for the next play. He will have elite stretches and then have rookie stretches because he wants to just play unstructured football.  He's basically a more undisciplined version of Brett Favre. Great skill set, but doesn't want to address mechanics, footwork and the mental aspects of the game.

Today Ryan Clark said he reminds him of a young Big Ben and I think that is what we are looking at.  Everyone wants to say Farve or whoever but I think we are looking at a young Big Ben.  We will get the good and bad just like Big Ben outside of the Rape charges. 

3 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Today Ryan Clark said he reminds him of a young Big Ben and I think that is what we are looking at.  Everyone wants to say Farve or whoever but I think we are looking at a young Big Ben.  We will get the good and bad just like Big Ben outside of the Rape charges. 

Big Ben is more disciplined.  Favre is a better description and even Favre had his limits.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Big Ben is more disciplined.  Favre is a better description and even Favre had his limits.

Older Big Ben is more disciplined younger Big Ben was not.  Younger Big Ben had a season with 23 INTs in a season and was constantly in double digit INTs throughout his career. 

7 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

He needs to find a solid oline. He's playing hero ball because he needs to be a hero to win games. 

Well it seems he’s always going to need to find something, because this team can’t stay healthy and if he keeps taking these hits he won’t be healthy much longer either.

Just now, phil77 said:

Older Big Ben is more disciplined younger Big Ben was not.  Younger Big Ben had a season with 23 INTs in a season and was constantly in double digit INTs throughout his career. 

Ben eventually took to coaching. Favre took to coaching a little bit, but still did his own thing. Wentz won't take to coaching, at least he hasn't for 5 years now.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Ben eventually took to coaching. Favre took to coaching a little bit, but still did his own thing. Wentz won't take to coaching, at least he hasn't for 5 years now.

 

Ben "EVENTUALLY" took coaching .... Favre "EVENTUALLY" took coaching ....  Sometimes it takes players like that longer to actually take coaching.  

Just now, phil77 said:

 

Ben "EVENTUALLY" took coaching .... Favre "EVENTUALLY" took coaching ....  Sometimes it takes players like that longer to actually take coaching.  

Ben took to coaching within 5 years.  Favre, did too after a few years in Green Bay.  Wentz is in year 5 and hasn't yet and you almost never hear him say that he has to work on mechanics or footwork.  He is the anti-Manning.  He is just too undisciplined.  I'm hoping the Eagles start planning to move on sooner vs. later.  You need your QB to be a team leader and to take to coaching.  

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

For clarification, the only evidence that any of us has is what we project.  I don't see the huge issues organizationally that you do.  I see some multi-year health issues that we need to figure out, but I am not putting a ton of stock into this year win or lose.

And that's fine that's your view. I just can't see it that way because this team has been trending downwards for 3 years now. 

 

Just one guy's opinion. A guy who's looking at it from the outside, who's kitten isn't all involved here

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He thrills us, and he kills us, with his play. From play to play, from drive to drive, quarter to quarter, half to half, game to errrr you get my point.

 

2 hours ago, phil77 said:

 

Wentz does have a ring 

I meant an earned one. But you're right, he has one. I guess he can retire happy now.

And here's a pic for you. That's Fulgham in the upper right corner, waiting for a 1st down catch that never came.
Instead Wentz pulled the ball down to make another glory run, resulting in a sack and 4th down,
the Gnats getting the ball on the 50 yd line leading to their first score.

 

22 minutes ago, eaglegenius said:

I meant an earned one. But you're right, he has one. I guess he can retire happy now.

And here's a pic for you. That's Fulgham in the upper right corner, waiting for a 1st down catch that never came.
Instead Wentz pulled the ball down to make another glory run, resulting in a sack and 4th down,
the Gnats getting the ball on the 50 yd line leading to their first score.

 

 

 

He didn't earn it?  WTF?  

 

And posting a picture of someone open doesn't tell you the story of the play. Each play call has designed reads and a progression that the QB should follow.   Fulgham might have been the 3rd and 4th read on the play and because of pressure Wentz may not have been able to get to that read.  Posting still frames don't tell the entire story.   And it is also true Fulgham could have been the first read and he missed him but we still will never know without the person designing the play actually telling us what the progression is.  Just looking at Wentz head his first read was to his left.  

7 hours ago, CaliEagle said:

Big Ben is more disciplined.  Favre is a better description and even Favre had his limits.

Favre is the career leader in interceptions I think.  Up until this year Wentz didnt really throw many.

I really don't know what to make of Wentz.  He can look terrible at times and he can look elite at times.

8 hours ago, phil77 said:

Older Big Ben is more disciplined younger Big Ben was not.  Younger Big Ben had a season with 23 INTs in a season and was constantly in double digit INTs throughout his career. 

Ben is more mature because of life: motorcycle near death accident, legal battles, season ending injuries. 

Without those things I don't see Wentz maturing in the same way.

10 hours ago, NOTW said:

It's pretty bad when Aikman and Bradshaw both comment how incredibly awful that across the field throw was.  Aikman stopped and said you young players out there, never ever do that and that's the kind of thing that will get you benched.  Dang.

That was very dangerously almost an interception.  A couple other plays he was being pressured and instead of protecting the ball by either tucking it and taking a sack, or throwing it away out of harm's way he tried to force it with a foolish shovel pass or throw that were also almost intercepted.  Then there was the interception.

Yes, the team has been injured and the O line play has been shaky.  But that doesn't mean he has to make incredibly stupid decisions and terrible throws like that...

...however he then puts together great drives, makes heroic plays and shows his toughness and manages incredibly accurate throws.  There are 2 types of Carson Wentz out there every game.  And when bad Wentz makes stupid plays the critics point it out and the defenders cry "you're just a hater" instead of agreeing that it was a terrible throw.  Then he does something great and the defenders come out of the woodworks "see?!  Wentz is great, suck it haters!"

The reality is that we see 2 types of Wentz every game.  The hero, gunslinger Brett Favre mentality creates an unpredictable player who can be erratic and careless one series, and the next series put the team on his back and look amazing.  That's the reality and both "sides" of the argument are right because he is both those things.

Ultimately when it results in wins no one cares about a few bad throws.  

And you can't argue that having injured guys back will necessarily fix it because early in the season both last year and this year when he had his starters he was playing poorly, then stepped it up when they were losing and relying on backups.  

Mahomes makes that throw and it's caught, they both **** in their pants.