38 minutes ago, NoDak Eagle said:

💪💪💪

20 hours ago, wyote said:

 

Just one guy's opinion. A guy who's looking at it from the outside, who's kitten isn't all involved here

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Spot on

On 10/23/2020 at 1:31 PM, Dutchman063 said:

i still see a very sloppy quarterback who makes really bad decisions during regular gameplay, 

We're hearing "bad decisions" a lot lately, is it fair to call the guy dumb......I'm beginning to think it is.

I don't want to hear a damn thing about his GPA at NDSU, that just means he has a good memory.

 

Lot of blah blah blah here. 

Wentz is a pretty good quarterback. Sometimes great. Sometimes he makes stupid mistakes because he's always trying too hard. 

This team has bigger problems. OL and WRs at the top of the list. DL is not good enough either. The IR list is fantastic though. Best IR unit in the league. 

Everyone wants Carson's and Doug's and Howie's throats cut but winning two games with all that is actually a fair result. 

7 hours ago, wyote said:

Sometimes great. Sometimes he makes stupid mistakes because he's always trying too hard. 

I think the issue is where he's always trying to make plays and as a result he makes mistakes. I would just like to see him brush up on that and take better care of the ball. 

Unfortunately though that's not his style. He's a gunslinger and so as a result he will always believe he can make the play. We live and die by that because sometimes he makes the play. 

We definitely have a large enough sample size at this point to know who wentz is as a qb. Imo he’s a very good qb (top 15-10 in the league) but not one of the very best (ie Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers etc). He has the ability to play at that level, but can’t do it on a consistent basis.

Hes about as far away as you can get from a "game manager”, and will almost always look to extend a play to make something happen. On one hand he’s big, tough, determined, elusive, has good pocket awareness and has a big arm. On the other hand he doesn’t have a good feel for game flow, makes mistakes often by forcing things, has poor ball security, inconsistent accuracy and down right bad short throw accuracy.

All in all I think wentz is more than good enough to win a Super Bowl with, but certainly needs a good team around him to do so.

3 hours ago, Muz86 said:

Imo he’s a very good qb (top 15-10 in the league) but not one of the very best (ie Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers etc). He has the ability to play at that level, but can’t do it on a consistent basis.

I think the problem he has, and will always have, is that he doesn't take good enough care of the ball. Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers those guys are all play makers and they go out there and so extraordinary things... But they also take much better care of the ball. That will always hold Wentz back from being right up there in my opinion. 

I like Wentz, but you guys gotta stop blaming injuries. He had his starters early in the year and was playing like GARBAGE.

Same last year he had issues during the season with starters and they were in a hole. They lost to one of the worst teams in the Dolphins. Then went on a streak to win the division against bad teams.

He's up and down and inconsistent. We know he doesn't always perform better with his starters so to sit and wait for starters to return...won't fix bad decisions and erratic hero ball from the Gunslinger.

18 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I like Wentz, but you guys gotta stop blaming injuries. He had his starters early in the year and was playing like GARBAGE.

Same last year he had issues during the season with starters and they were in a hole. They lost to one of the worst teams in the Dolphins. Then went on a streak to win the division against bad teams.

He's up and down and inconsistent. We know he doesn't always perform better with his starters so to sit and wait for starters to return...won't fix bad decisions and erratic hero ball from the Gunslinger.

Yeah, this isn't accurate though. Even week 1, Dillard, Lane, Brooks were all out. Alshon has been out. Fulgham wasn't around, etc. 

Yes, he had more than he does now (which is no one) for week one and some of week two, but he's been short help all season. Regardless, he's been far from the problem for several weeks now.

In terms of last season, he had one (literally one) game with a healthy offense and that was week 1 against Washington. Alshon and Jackson went down before our game against Atlanta and that was it. By the way, remember when he put the game winner in Nelson's hands and he dropped it? Remember the following week when he put what would've been a game winner in both Goedert and JJAwfuls hands and they were dropped? Remember when the defense gave up almost 40 to Dallas, Minnesota and Miami. 

Let's talk about that Dolphins game. You're blaming Wentz for putting up 30+ in a game (with no one, again) but don't want to mention the defense giving up nearly 40 points to one of the worst teams in the league?

I'll give you he didn't play well against Seattle (never has) and New England (game tying TD once again dropped by Agholor), but he was fine last season.

The first time he's truly struggled in years has been this year and his only starter is Kelce and the defense is trash. Even so, he's been good for the last month.

I know the popular narrative is to hate Carson Wentz and **** about everything he does, but he isn't the problem.

On 10/23/2020 at 4:51 PM, phil77 said:

 

 

He didn't earn it?  WTF?  

 

And posting a picture of someone open doesn't tell you the story of the play. Each play call has designed reads and a progression that the QB should follow.   Fulgham might have been the 3rd and 4th read on the play and because of pressure Wentz may not have been able to get to that read.  Posting still frames don't tell the entire story.   And it is also true Fulgham could have been the first read and he missed him but we still will never know without the person designing the play actually telling us what the progression is.  Just looking at Wentz head his first read was to his left.  

He helped his team get there by winning a bunch of games. But they don't give out rings for getting there,
otherwise Brady would have 9 rings not 6.

And the only reason I could capture that frame was because I noticed that crappy play in real time.

I'm only hard on Wentz because he is so naturally talented but is his own worst enemy. I do hope
he finally wises up and realizes his potential by playing smart and not getting banged to pieces.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the problem he has, and will always have, is that he doesn't take good enough care of the ball. Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers those guys are all play makers and they go out there and so extraordinary things... But they also take much better care of the ball. That will always hold Wentz back from being right up there in my opinion. 

Funnily enough, the one season when he did take good care of the ball was the season where he looked like the MVP. There’s likely a number of reasons why he isn’t playing at that level any more (injury, coaching changes, not improving mechanics, revolving door at receiver etc). But if he could somehow recapture that form then he can be on the same level as those other guys.

54 minutes ago, Muz86 said:

Funnily enough, the one season when he did take good care of the ball was the season where he looked like the MVP. There’s likely a number of reasons why he isn’t playing at that level any more (injury, coaching changes, not improving mechanics, revolving door at receiver etc). But if he could somehow recapture that form then he can be on the same level as those other guys.

Oh no doubt. We know that he's played at that level. We know he can play at that level no doubt but it has now been 2/3 years. 

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

I like Wentz, but you guys gotta stop blaming injuries. He had his starters early in the year and was playing like GARBAGE.

Same last year he had issues during the season with starters and they were in a hole. They lost to one of the worst teams in the Dolphins. Then went on a streak to win the division against bad teams.

He's up and down and inconsistent. We know he doesn't always perform better with his starters so to sit and wait for starters to return...won't fix bad decisions and erratic hero ball from the Gunslinger.

Injuries had nothing to do with a guy making a bad decision to throw across his body into triple coverage. That’s just Carson being Carson. The smart play is to simply throw that away. He’s going to play hero ball all the time and that means he’s going to throw off one foot, throw into triple coverage, and run into 250 pound linebackers and try to run them over. I will be surprised if he lasts this season playing this way. Still it’s also going to lead to times when he wows us with a big throw here and there too. Ultimately too inconsistent to count on to win without a defense constantly getting him the ball thanks to turnovers and stops. 

I’m fairly convinced Wentz does not respect Pederson. Half the time when Pederson is talking to him on the sideline Wentz doesn’t even make eye contact. Not a good situation. An uncoachable franchise QB, hard to see how this is going to work long term.

21 hours ago, NOTW said:

I like Wentz, but you guys gotta stop blaming injuries. He had his starters early in the year and was playing like GARBAGE.

Same last year he had issues during the season with starters and they were in a hole. They lost to one of the worst teams in the Dolphins. Then went on a streak to win the division against bad teams.

He's up and down and inconsistent. We know he doesn't always perform better with his starters so to sit and wait for starters to return...won't fix bad decisions and erratic hero ball from the Gunslinger.

Wentz definitely was not playing well the first few games this season. BUT ... I'm not exactly sure I'm going to blame Wentz for the dolphins game last year just for this narrative. He needs to improve his consistency, needs to protect the ball better, needs to see the field better (a little more time from the O-Line might help this one) and needs to trust ALL his receivers (I think he's beginning to learn this one). Players like Wilson and Rodgers didn't get to where they are today without having played all the seasons they have played. Mahomes may be more of an anomaly, but imagine how much better he can be in his 8th, 9th, 10th season. Wentz is still trying to get there himself. 

7 hours ago, Runtherock said:

I’m fairly convinced Wentz does not respect Pederson. Half the time when Pederson is talking to him on the sideline Wentz doesn’t even make eye contact. Not a good situation. An uncoachable franchise QB, hard to see how this is going to work long term.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Wentz definitely was not playing well the first few games this season. BUT ... I'm not exactly sure I'm going to blame Wentz for the dolphins game last year just for this narrative. He needs to improve his consistency, needs to protect the ball better, needs to see the field better (a little more time from the O-Line might help this one) and needs to trust ALL his receivers (I think he's beginning to learn this one). Players like Wilson and Rodgers didn't get to where they are today without having played all the seasons they have played. Mahomes may be more of an anomaly, but imagine how much better he can be in his 8th, 9th, 10th season. Wentz is still trying to get there himself. 

I didn't mean to blame him for the Dolphins game, the defense was atrocious.  Just that people point to the comeback at the end of the season last year but it was against bad teams.  And they lost to the Dolphins who were a bad team.  People forget but in stretches in every season since the SB people have complained about Wentz playing erratic, making bad decisions and stupid throws and saying he played better with Reich and Flip here.  I've said repeatedly that Carson also plays great at times and he's up and down.  My point was in not blaming injuries because he's played bad with starters and played well with backups so you can't blame injuries.  Team-wise, they find themselves in a hole and fight back but often against bad teams.  It's fool's gold.

Obviously not saying he’s Brady but just a comparison of their first 4 years in the league 

7 minutes ago, NoDak Eagle said:

Obviously not saying he’s Brady but just a comparison of their first 4 years in the league 

Using current stats would be 

63.2

15,951

107

45

90.5

Not to mention Brady’s first four years were 2000-2003. It’s a much different league now. 2004 is when the league cracked down on illegal contact and suddenly the passing game started to explode. 

It's interesting how the narrative about Wentz has changed over the years from being smart and elite to being an erratic gunslinger who fights.

• 2016: he's the next Peyton Manning, pre-snap reads, will eventually call his own plays, incredibly smart.
• 2017: MVP candidate, throws accurate passes, makes exciting plays.  On his way to being elite.
• 2018: spotty play, recovering from injury, chip on his shoulder after watching Foles win, something off mentally since injury but recovering and better by end of the year.
• 2019: stretches of both poor and strong play.  Is he injury prone? Needs to complete a healthy season.  Is he scared of injury and hurting his strengths of extending plays? Strong finish to the season throwing to practice squad players.  
• Early 2020: he's playing horrible (with his starters), he's erratic, careless with the football, poor decision making (far from Peyton Manning comparisons a few years ago).  He needs to make plays on the run and use his legs more.
• Last few weeks: he's a fighter, a hero, sure he makes mistakes and isn't always very accurate but you're also going to get great plays.  He's a gunslinger. 

The narrative about being smart, accurate and making great pre-snap reads is gone.  Now the narrative is you get a gunslinger who will force throws and try to make a play and sometimes you get greatness and accuracy and sometimes you get careless decisions just deal with it.  

30 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The narrative about being smart, accurate and making great pre-snap reads is gone.  Now the narrative is you get a gunslinger who will force throws and try to make a play and sometimes you get greatness and accuracy and sometimes you get careless decisions just deal with it.  

Really great points there mate. I do remember all the talk about how smart he was and how he could read defenses. I mean we saw him do that a lot! We saw him change plays and we saw him do it with great success. 

So I guess the question that needs to be answered is... What's changed? Why isn't he now? I mean you'd think the injuries would make him more Conservative rather than more of a gunslinger? But perhaps he's forcing things too much? 

54 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Really great points there mate. I do remember all the talk about how smart he was and how he could read defenses. I mean we saw him do that a lot! We saw him change plays and we saw him do it with great success. 

So I guess the question that needs to be answered is... What's changed? Why isn't he now? I mean you'd think the injuries would make him more Conservative rather than more of a gunslinger? But perhaps he's forcing things too much? 

Frank and John are gone. The team doesn't have a good QB talent development system. Which is funny since they're a QB factory.

58 minutes ago, kentwo said:

Frank and John are gone. The team doesn't have a good QB talent development system. Which is funny since they're a QB factory.

Why do people not realize Carson has say in this too? There’s reports he has say in the players who they draft so you don’t think he has say in who’s coaching him too? Wentz didn’t like Deflippo, but he does like Press Taylor. What has Press Taylor done not to have been swept out like the other guys? Not only didn’t he get swept out he got a promotion. I wonder why? 🤔

On 10/26/2020 at 1:25 AM, Runtherock said:

I’m fairly convinced Wentz does not respect Pederson. Half the time when Pederson is talking to him on the sideline Wentz doesn’t even make eye contact. Not a good situation. An uncoachable franchise QB, hard to see how this is going to work long term.

So we can just make things up now? 🙄