2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

No it’s not, and if Wentz won’t take to hard coaching, then we need to begin life after Wentz sooner rather than later. 
 

Right now Wentz seems like a likable guy, but an entitlement complex and selfishness can change that in a big hurry. 

In 2018 at least 6 Eagles anonymously said Carson was selfish and walked around like he was entitled, but they feared to come out publicly, because of reprisal. We didn’t want to believe that was true back then, but as the years go by it feels a lot closer to the truth. 

One of the biggest problems a QB can deal with is when, instead of playing instinctively, he overthinks....in other words, he lets the game get into his head.

During the last few games last year, Wentz started playing without overthinking, which allowed him to trust his ability and his numbers and performance got better and got the eagles into the playoffs.

I expected him to pick up where he left off last year, but, for whatever reason, he is all over the place this year.  His footwork, his delivery, his reads, his double clutching are a mess that comes and goes.  And Pedersen isn't doing him any favors, which is surprising, considering he was a QB.  His play calling and situational calls are not putting Wentz in a good spot.

Wentz's decision making and reads are ridiculously slower than before when he was playing well.  I don't know if his injuries, the lack of trust in the O-line and the receivers, the pressure of the eagles drafting Hurts or the pressure of his competitiveness have contributed to these struggles, but it's clear he has become a head case and it's showing in his performance and production.......he pressing and scared to make a mistake, which as we all know, creates even more mistakes.

At this point, I would bench him to let him get a different perspective on the game and reflect on his performance and ability. Give Sudfeld or Hurts the ball......I would prefer Sudfeld, but I want to see Hurts on the field in a creative manner.  But either way, benching Wentz could allow him to get the sh-- out of his head.

I doubt Pedersen makes such a decision.  Usually, a QB has to play his way out of his issues, but I think Wentz feels that he has to do everything himself so he is compounding the problem.

And it wouldn't hurt to see what Sudfeld and/or Hurts could bring.......it can't get much worse.  But the eagles do have some good young offensive weapons that need to be exploited as much as possible.  And I'm not sure at this point that Wentz gives them the best chance to win considering his mental issues.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

In 2018 at least 6 Eagles anonymously said Carson was selfish and walked around like he was entitled, but they feared to come out publicly, because of reprisal. We didn’t want to believe that was true back then, but as the years go by it feels a lot closer to the truth. 

Yeah and the worst part is Wentz even acknowledged he could have been a better team mate. I really hope he doesn’t fall to the point of me disliking him as a person. 

1 minute ago, Toty said:

5-10-1

Dallas wins division at 6-10

Nah. They still have Ravens, Steelers, WFT, even the vikings. I think its WFT. They have NYG, Dallas, Eagles, Lions, Bengals etc. They have the easiest schedule.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

After the bye they get the Giants again. Then the following teams: Browns (5-3), Seahawks(6-1), Packers(5-2), Saints(5-2), Cardinals(5-2).  

That’s a nice gauntlet of games right there. It’s time for the quarterback to step his game up and prove he can consistently beat some winning teams. He especially needs to beat Seattle, because they have owned him since he’s been in the league. Something to lookout for is if Carson runs and doesn’t slide or get out of bounds the Seahawks will flop onto him just like Clowney did. 

2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Yeah and the worst part is Wentz even acknowledged he could have been a better team mate. I really hope he doesn’t fall to the point of me disliking him as a person. 

When I hear a guy do an interview say he has to look at the tape, proclaim he has to do better, but made it also clear he has no intention of changing well he’s not exactly making it easy to like him IMO. 

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's what I think too.  When you listen to him and Doug in press conferences, they don't see the need to change either.  They talk about fighting and believing in themselves and very light on correcting issues.  Maybe that's public facing, but it doesn't seem it's internal either because we don't see the changes on the field.  

Yeah. When Wentz in press conferences says things like playing hero ball is part of his DNA and he cannot change playing hero ball its not good. Hes basically saying he's uncoachable? Plus I know he has been unlucky with interceptions this year and that can change. However the fumbles , taking bad sacks and not recognizing blitzes is just annoying as hell as we all know he can be better.

35 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

During the last few games last year, Wentz started playing without overthinking, which allowed him to trust his ability and his numbers and performance got better and got the eagles into the playoffs.

A lot of that had to do with the weak opponents the Eagles played late in the season last year.  The only reasonably good team they played in the last five games was Dallas...and they scored 17 points in that game (though it would have been 24 points had the Eagles not been trying to run out the clock).

Press conference answers on interceptions:  I'm gonna take those chances, I'm gonna pull the trigger, I've never been wired to hesitate.  I have to be on same page with receivers, I'm going to stay aggressive, I'm not going to change who I am.

 

Just gonna leave this here for anyone trying to absolve Wentz of the second fumble like he had no chance...

 

19 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Press conference answers on interceptions:  I'm gonna take those chances, I'm gonna pull the trigger, I've never been wired to hesitate.  I have to be on same page with receivers, I'm going to stay aggressive, I'm not going to change who I am.

 

I think he let the Hurts draft selection get to his head. Now he has gone overboard and is taking every unnecessary chance and common sense has taken a back seat.

Reagor, Goedert and Peters back in the lineup, and Fulgham is the top receiver now so they're really only missing Sanders (big loss) and Ertz who has had a bad year anyway.  So realistically in this 2020 season his top playmakers were all there last night except Sanders...and Boston Scott was playing well.  On the O line he was missing Lane Johnson and Seumalo.

Cannot blame injuries for poor decisions and turnovers.

1 minute ago, nipples said:

Just gonna leave this here for anyone trying to absolve Wentz of the second fumble like he had no chance...

 

Wentz was brutal last night and has been inconsistent all year.  I still don't think this play is his fault though.  There is no throwing lane there.  Look at where Wentz is...there are linemen clearly in front of him and look at how tiny Reagor is.  The first fumble was definitely on Wentz though. He held on to the ball for about 7 seconds and couldn't see a defender who was two feet in front of him.

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Press conference answers on interceptions:  I'm gonna take those chances, I'm gonna pull the trigger, I've never been wired to hesitate.  I have to be on same page with receivers, I'm going to stay aggressive, I'm not going to change who I am.

 

"I've never been wired to hesitate"...this dude has some MAJOR mental issues. 

 

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Press conference answers on interceptions:  I'm gonna take those chances, I'm gonna pull the trigger, I've never been wired to hesitate.  I have to be on same page with receivers, I'm going to stay aggressive, I'm not going to change who I am.

 

He's acting like Favre, but not producing like Favre. He needs to check his ego.

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I think he let the Hurts draft selection get to his head. Now he has gone overboard and is taking every unnecessary chance and common sense has taken a back seat.

He was like this since the Super Bowl though.  Not as bad with the turnovers but last season we had the same conversations about erratic play, bad throws and mechanics.  And post-SB it was Carson let Foles' winning the SB get to his head, or his injury got in his head, the lack of trust in his receivers...and there are factors there but he also has to take responsibility and if he wants to be the hero and always looking to make a play you can't blame other factors all the time.  

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Wentz was brutal last night and has been inconsistent all year.  I still don't think this play is his fault though.  There is no throwing lane there.  Look at where Wentz is...there are linemen clearly in front of him and look at how tiny Reagor is.  The first fumble was definitely on Wentz though. He held on to the ball for about 7 seconds and couldn't see a defender who was two feet in front of him.

Even if you say he can’t hit Reagor, I disagree but we’ll operate under that assumption, Ward has more than enough depth for Wentz to be able to get the ball over the line to him. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

He was like this since the Super Bowl though.  Not as bad with the turnovers but last season we had the same conversations about erratic play, bad throws and mechanics.  And post-SB it was Carson let Foles' winning the SB get to his head, or his injury got in his head, the lack of trust in his receivers...and there are factors there but he also has to take responsibility and if he wants to be the hero and always looking to make a play you can't blame other factors all the time.  

True. He has declined since 2017. But, this year he has really regressed and his decision making is at an all time low.  

Wentz is playing and talking himself right out of philly.  He says he is going to continue throwing those bombs.... with 30mph winds... that sail to who knows where....

Idiot. 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah nothing wrong with our QB who looked like butt stank against the worst defense in football. We are fine there. 🤦🏾‍♂️

Doesn't justify fun with arbitrary endpoints. 

34 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

True. He has declined since 2017. But, this year he has really regressed and his decision making is at an all time low.  

Sounds to me like he need better coaching ... much better than what he is getting now.  

8 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Sounds to me like he need better coaching ... much better than what he is getting now.  

The bigger issue is that he needs to take to coaching.   He shouldn't have to be told to get rid of the ball in less than 8 seconds by now. That is taught in high school and college.  He needs to be held accountable.

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Sounds to me like he need better coaching ... much better than what he is getting now.  

This is where I fall also even though I think Wentz deserves some of the blame also but Wentz hasn't been an interception machine like this his entire career so why now?   I understand the fumbles that has been that way his entire career but the interceptions are new and just don't know why the change this year in the interceptions and trying to force it down field.  

Who made the call to all of the sudden to try and force everything down field compared to previous year?  I know in the offseason they wanted to get MORE SPEED to push the ball downfield  so is this a result of coaching?  They want him to throw it down field?  I just don't understand how a player throws 21 INTs in total the last three season and then has 12 already this season.  It just doesn't add up unless there was a change in philosophy from the 57 offensive coaches we hired?   Its not easily explainable as WENTZ sucks. The last three seasons he wasn't just chucking the ball up for grabs down the field all the time so why now?  What changed?  

 

17 minutes ago, phil77 said:

This is where I fall also even though I think Wentz deserves some of the blame also but Wentz hasn't been an interception machine like this his entire career so why now?   I understand the fumbles that has been that way his entire career but the interceptions are new and just don't know why the change this year in the interceptions and trying to force it down field.  

Who made the call to all of the sudden to try and force everything down field compared to previous year?  I know in the offseason they wanted to get MORE SPEED to push the ball downfield  so is this a result of coaching?  They want him to throw it down field?  I just don't understand how a player throws 21 INTs in total the last three season and then has 12 already this season.  It just doesn't add up unless there was a change in philosophy from the 57 offensive coaches we hired?   Its not easily explainable as WENTZ sucks. The last three seasons he wasn't just chucking the ball up for grabs down the field all the time so why now?  What changed?  

 

I think he was more careless with the ball than most believe even before this year. He was extremely fortunate to throw so few picks last year. 

Good analysis below on "adjusted interceptions”. Basically they take a QBs actual pick total, add "dropped interceptions” to it, then subtract Hail Mary interceptions, and passes that were tipped off the receiver’s hands. Gives a pretty good view about how careful QBs are with the ball. Wentz last year was tied for third most, because he had TEN balls that were right in defender’s hands but dropped. 
 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/adjusted-interceptions-2019

1 minute ago, nipples said:

I think he was more careless with the ball than most believe even before this year. He was extremely fortunate to throw so few picks last year. 

Good analysis below on "adjusted interceptions”. Basically they take a QBs actual pick total, add "dropped interceptions” to it, then subtract Hail Mary interceptions, and passes that were tipped off the receiver’s hands. Gives a pretty good view about how careful QBs are with the ball. Wentz last year was tied for third most, because he had TEN balls that were right in defender’s hands but dropped. 
 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/adjusted-interceptions-2019

 

So three years in a row it was just "LUCK" he only had 7 picks a season and the pace of 24 is more of the norm?  That is what I am supposed to believe?