If you are a turnover machine, you need to spend some time on the bench to ponder your uncorrected mistakes. Sorry, Wentz- that goes for ANY QB, not just you. But YOU refuse to correct yourself, so somebody needs to sit you down until you humble yourself and learn. You aren't aggressive, you are RECKLESS- huge difference here. Learn that.

28 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

If you are a turnover machine, you need to spend some time on the bench to ponder your uncorrected mistakes. Sorry, Wentz- that goes for ANY QB, not just you. But YOU refuse to correct yourself, so somebody needs to sit you down until you humble yourself and learn. You aren't aggressive, you are RECKLESS- huge difference here. Learn that.

I really think this is the course of action they should take. I think they can sit him without making it a permanent decision. If they bench him and he doesn't show any improvements and he doesn't react in the right way then it's probably fair to say he doesn't have the right mentality. 

32 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

If you are a turnover machine, you need to spend some time on the bench to ponder your uncorrected mistakes. Sorry, Wentz- that goes for ANY QB, not just you. But YOU refuse to correct yourself, so somebody needs to sit you down until you humble yourself and learn. You aren't aggressive, you are RECKLESS- huge difference here. Learn that.

This is how Vick Part 2 played himself out of the league. You cant turn the ball over like this 

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

This is how Vick Part 2 played himself out of the league. You cant turn the ball over like this 

And why Jameis Winston went from first overall pick to the third choice QB in NO.

Hurts isn't going to start unless Wentz gets hurt. He isn't getting traded. He isn't being benched.

Let that settle in and then we can talk about how to improve the team/offense.

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurts isn't going to start unless Wentz gets hurt. He isn't getting traded. He isn't being benched.

Let that settle in and then we can talk about how to improve the team/offense.

So what you're saying is there's no improvement in sight.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

No doubt the lack of continuity hurts the offense as a whole but can't be used as an excuse for some of the mistakes Carson is making by holding on to the ball too long or throwing across his body to the other side of the field, etc.

Absolutely I wasn't excusing his issues that's why I said he was part of the sheet show. Overall continuity has been absolutely atrocious 4 years and running. Different players every single game at every position and sometimes an entire unit is good for nobodies growth

7 minutes ago, judunno said:

So what you're saying is there's no improvement in sight.

What I'm saying is that Wentz is going to be here for a while. Let's right this ship. Hurts will never be the starter here (unless Wentz gets hurt) and will eventually be on another team.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

Wentz saying he’s not going to change and keep taking chances reminds me of Jay Cutler after his 5 Int game, he said the same thing. 

Everything is fine. Nothing is wrong here. His coaches are bad, and so are his line and receivers. Once he’s around all pro and elite players and coaches (cause you know every team and elite quarterback has all that stuff) you will see he’s super elite! In fact let’s just put him in Canton right now!

signed Fanboys. 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Everything is fine. Nothing is wrong here. His coaches are bad, and so are his line and receivers. Once he’s around all pro and elite players and coaches (cause you know every team and elite quarterback has all that stuff) you will see he’s super elite! In fact let’s just put him in Canton right now!

signed Fanboys. 

What's your suggestion? Dazzle us. Bench him for Hurts?

25 minutes ago, Swoop said:

What I'm saying is that Wentz is going to be here for a while. Let's right this ship. Hurts will never be the starter here (unless Wentz gets hurt) and will eventually be on another team.

I wouldn't be so sure should he continue playing like a bone head and turning it over. For a guy that is supposed to be so cerebral he's running around like a dumb unathletic clown making horrid rookie mistakes.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

What's your suggestion? Dazzle us. Bench him for Hurts?

You know I don’t know if Hurts is any good, but I’m sure he could go out there and have 4 turnovers in a game too. I’m sure you fanboys would say nothing more than he stinks though. 🙄

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

You know I don’t know if Hurts is any good, but I’m sure he could go out there and have 4 turnovers in a game too. I’m sure you fanboys would say nothing more than he stinks though. 🙄

I'm not a fanboy, though. I have criticized Wentz as well. I'm just not going to blame every bad thing that happens on offense solely on him. 

What's your solution? I'd like to hear it.

It should also be noted that Hurts has thrown two passes this season and immediately got rid of the football for competitions. Kind of negates that whole bad line if you get rid of the darn football and try not to be a hero when you don’t have to be. Anyways fanboys get back to telling us how great captain caveman will be once an entire new team is magically put around him. 

I still support him. he has definitely looked off at times and i'm wondering how much of that is happy feet caused by a terrible offensive line.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm not a fanboy, though. I have criticized Wentz as well. I'm just not going to blame every bad thing that happens on offense solely on him. 

What's your solution? I'd like to hear it.

The solution is not this player at least not in the condition he is in. Even Doug is telling him you can’t keep turning the ball over and he’s ignoring his coaches. He thinks that if he’s chucking the ball out there he’s helping his team. Makes no sense. First off deep passes are generally the lowest completed pass in football and he’s had far more failures than success on that pass regardless of who he’s throwing to. If this dude would stop trying to be the hero all the time and simply took what the defense gives him he would have far more success. Give the ball to guys in a spot where they can make a play while they are on the move. Get the ball out quicker and stop holding it so long when you know the line is spotty at best. I thought this kid was supposed to be good at understanding defenses. He couldn’t tell the Cowboys would be blitzing up the middle on 4th down or didn’t realize he had a hot read wide open? Think whatever you want. If you think everything is fine with Wentz right now you’re fooling yourself. Frankly maybe a benching at some point might make him realize that he’s screwing everything up. Funny all I keep hearing is everyone but Carson as the problem, but another guy took those same people and won in the playoffs. 

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm not a fanboy, though. I have criticized Wentz as well. I'm just not going to blame every bad thing that happens on offense solely on him. 

What's your solution? I'd like to hear it.

Every bad thing? Carson's been horrid every game this season. He topped his regular 2 turnovers per per game with 4 this week. When will some fans and coaches see and admit there's a problem.

Just now, XoqTionR said:

Every bad thing? Carson's been horrid every game this season. He topped his regular 2 turnovers per per game with 4 this week. When will some fans and coaches see and admit there's a problem.

Again, no one (even those supporting him) is saying there hasn't been an issue with him. Not every play that goes south is his fault though, as you and others seemingly believe.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Again, no one (even those supporting him) is saying there hasn't been an issue with him. Not every play that goes south is his fault though, as you and others seemingly believe.

No there has to be balance. There are plays that don't work out because other player don't execute. The OL fails to protect or a WR makes a drop. But I think the time has come for a very serious conversation to be had about Wentz. 

Haven’t watched the All 22 yet, but I did go through the condensed replay and cued up the pause and slow motion.  Some observations:

1. Protection was adequate.  There were some breakdowns early, but the line held up pretty well.

2. Wentz almost seems to be oblivious to the defense at pre snap.  Noted that on more than one occasion he audibles into a bad play.  What is he seeing? 

3. Locks in to primary receiver and is slow and come off the read.

4. Poor mechanics are more the norm than not.  

5. The only sack that wasn’t on Wentz was Mailata getting beat badly on an inside move by Lawrence.

6.  Missed opportunities to check down and take what the defense gives him.

7. WTF moments are plentiful.  Both picks were just really bad throws and bad decisions. The play with the scramble and WTF are you doing moment leading to a fumble was a cluster from the start (8:48 1st Q).  RB is going to the opposite side (left) of Carson’s play action fake, fooling nobody.  Receivers appear to be in a flood concept to the right.  But Carson fakes right and is looking left.  Maybe he saw something and audibles "Louie” (or whatever they may use to change the sides of the play) and the entire offense didn’t hear him?  Just a weird play.  

8. Good throw to Fulgham on the TD.  Set his feet and shoulders aligned then rips it on target.  This was his first and only read. Similarly good throw on the pass to Reagor for would be TD that gets broken up.  Just a better play by the defender. 
 

But Carson Wentz looks the worst he has ever looked in his career.  Mechanics are all over the place.  He seems to be ok if his first read is there quickly, but he is really struggling when he comes off of his first read.  Holding the ball too long, indecisive, and then his mechanics really fall apart.  Hard to watch especially given the $32M a season he is paid.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Again, no one (even those supporting him) is saying there hasn't been an issue with him. Not every play that goes south is his fault though, as you and others seemingly believe.

4 turnovers in a single game is enough to get anyone benched for that game. Everyone want to blame the line, wide receivers, or the defense. So far I do see Wentz as the issue. Defense contributed greatly to each win they've had this season but have been hated on each week.

Just now, XoqTionR said:

4 turnovers in a single game is enough to get anyone benched for that game. Everyone want to blame the line, wide receivers, or the defense. So far I do see Wentz as the issue. Defense contributed greatly to each win they've had this season but have been hated on each week.

Agreed. They should have benched him at halftime. He doesn't have the credit in the bank that should allow him to remain on the field with that kind of first half performance. And let's not get carried away here, second half was better but it was far from good. 

3 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

4 turnovers in a single game is enough to get anyone benched for that game. Everyone want to blame the line, wide receivers, or the defense. So far I do see Wentz as the issue. Defense contributed greatly to each win they've had this season but have been hated on each week.

But again, how often do QBs making that money get benched? Lamar had 4 TOs. Goff had 4 TOs. Not saying they've been as bad as Wentz this season, but a benching isn't even a thought. Benching Wentz at this point means you're done with him for good. The fans/media/locker room would be gone if he gets benched and then comes back. You know it. So if you want to move on, fine, but you aren't cutting him or trading him with that cap hit. So what's the solution?

This defense blows, regardless of Wentz. Any semblance of a defense and we beat both Pittsburgh and Baltimore. This team cannot defend against a good offense. You'll see that in the coming weeks.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Again, no one (even those supporting him) is saying there hasn't been an issue with him. Not every play that goes south is his fault though, as you and others seemingly believe.

Maybe you should stop think he isn’t part of the problem though. If the coach is telling us he has to remind a 5th year veteran it’s not good to throw into coverage and make turnovers, but that 5th year players is saying he’s not going to change how can anyone say he’s a) not getting the coaching, and b) act like he isn’t a major part of the problem?

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

But again, how often do QBs making that money get benched? Lamar had 4 TOs. Goff had 4 TOs. Not saying they've been as bad as Wentz this season, but a benching isn't even a thought.

This defense blows, regardless of Wentz. Any semblance of a defense and we beat both Pittsburgh and Baltimore. This team cannot defend against a good offense. You'll see that in the coming weeks.

Didn’t the Titans bench their number one pick and eventually went to a castoff guy? Not for nothing, but why does his money need to be the reason why this team struggles? If guys are out there busting their tails for a win and he’s simply nonchalantly giving it away to the other team how long will it be before the rest of the team has had enough. Like I mentioned before they didn’t build a shrine to Wentz.