5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Maybe you should stop think he isn’t part of the problem though. If the coach is telling us he has to remind a 5th year veteran it’s not good to throw into coverage and make turnovers, but that 5th year players is saying he’s not going to change how can anyone say he’s a) not getting the coaching, and b) act like he isn’t a major part of the problem?

I've never said he wasn't part of the problem though. His first fumble was one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen. Ditto his pick in the Giants game. I'm just not going to sit there and cry and scream after every time he turns the ball over and pretend it's a horrible decision every single time. Some are questionable to horrible. Some, like the route Ertz just stopped running aren't on Wentz, but of course everyone blames him.

He's had issues. He's played poorly as a whole. There are a lot of things wrong with this football team. Not everything bad that happens is because of Wentz. 

Like I've said before. He was MVP level in 2017. He was very, very good in 2018 (coming off of a major injury. He was good (as a whole) last year. This year, he's been bad, but for the majority of his career he has shown more good than bad. We need to figure out how to get back to that and stop pretending that he's been this bad every season aside from 2017. Inconsistent sure, but never bad.

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

But again, how often do QBs making that money get benched? Lamar had 4 TOs. Goff had 4 TOs. Not saying they've been as bad as Wentz this season, but a benching isn't even a thought. Benching Wentz at this point means you're done with him for good. The fans/media/locker room would be gone if he gets benched and then comes back. You know it. So if you want to move on, fine, but you aren't cutting him or trading him with that cap hit. So what's the solution?

This defense blows, regardless of Wentz. Any semblance of a defense and we beat both Pittsburgh and Baltimore. This team cannot defend against a good offense. You'll see that in the coming weeks.

By all means I don't think the defense is world class, but they have hung in there and closed some games I was nervous to finish watching. Defense has gave up big plays here and there but have made turnovers when needed and opportune times. Part of the defenses problem is they are on the field to long. offense turning ball over giving up the short field, offense not putting up points were they can pin their ears back.

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Didn’t the Titans bench their number one pick and eventually went to a castoff guy? Not for nothing, but why does his money need to be the reason why this team struggles? If guys are out there busting their tails for a win and he’s simply nonchalantly giving it away to the other team how long will it be before the rest of the team has had enough. Like I mentioned before they didn’t build a shrine to Wentz. 

They did. The Titans also didn't have 30+ million for the next several years invested into Mariota.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I've never said he wasn't part of the problem though. His first fumble was one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen. Ditto his pick in the Giants game. I'm just not going to sit there and cry and scream after every time he turns the ball over and pretend it's a horrible decision every single time. Some are questionable to horrible. Some, like the route Ertz just stopped running aren't on Wentz, but of course everyone blames him.

He's had issues. He's played poorly as a whole. There are a lot of things wrong with this football team. Not everything bad that happens is because of Wentz. 

Like I've said before. He was MVP level in 2017. He was very, very good in 2018 (coming off of a major injury. He was good (as a whole) last year. This year, he's been bad, but for the majority of his career he has shown more good than bad. We need to figure out how to get back to that and stop pretending that he's been this bad every season aside from 2017. Inconsistent sure, but never bad.

He was so good in 2018 yet he led his team to a losing record and couldn’t win against contending teams. In 2018 they made the playoffs because he wasn’t there. 

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

They did. The Titans also didn't have 30+ million for the next several years invested into Mariota.

The Eagles had a lot of money invested in Vick and they moved on from him too. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles had a lot of money invested in Vick and they moved on from him too. 

I don't buy this argument that they have to play Wentz because of his contract. It makes it nigh on impossible to get rid of him but why do we have to play him?

From reports I'm not sure the locker room is going to cry about it. We are paying him either way so if this continues bench him and start Hurts who isn't costing much. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't buy this argument that they have to play Wentz because of his contract. It makes it nigh on impossible to get rid of him but why do we have to play him?

From reports I'm not sure the locker room is going to cry about it. We are paying him either way so if this continues bench him and start Hurts who isn't costing much. 

Pretty sure the players just want to win and if Hurts gives them the best chance to do that then they would prefer that. Howie and the owner are the ones who might have issues with that. Frankly people who think he should start cause he got paid shouldn’t ever complain about Peters getting paid and on this team. After all both Wentz and Peters seem to be owner favorites. 

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Pretty sure the players just want to win and if Hurts gives them the best chance to do that then they would prefer that. Howie and the owner are the ones who might have issues with that. Frankly people who think he should start cause he got paid shouldn’t ever complain about Peters getting paid and on this team. After all both Wentz and Peters seem to be owner favorites. 

We've seen reports that some of the players aren't Wentz guys. That some guys wanted Foles to be their guy going forwards. I'm not sure Wentz is all that popular. I mean we don't know that of course we don't but just based on what we hear and see through reports. 

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We've seen reports that some of the players aren't Wentz guys. That some guys wanted Foles to be their guy going forwards. I'm not sure Wentz is all that popular. I mean we don't know that of course we don't but just based on what we hear and see through reports. 

I know publicly the players say all the right things when it comes to Wentz, but anonymously we have heard the rumblings. Again they didn’t build a shine to Carson. That is a clear action of their true feelings IMO. 

Eh, all I see is a guy out there that seems to never learn from his mistakes. I don't know how you regress this badly, but Carson has just become untrustworthy with the ball. Fumbles all the time, still holds the ball too long and won't throw it away, forces it, and his deep ball is below avg.  I still remember arguing with his defenders when they were blaming the WR's for his poor play, and now we can clearly see it wasn't the WR's.

44 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Didn’t the Titans bench their number one pick and eventually went to a castoff guy? Not for nothing, but why does his money need to be the reason why this team struggles? If guys are out there busting their tails for a win and he’s simply nonchalantly giving it away to the other team how long will it be before the rest of the team has had enough. Like I mentioned before they didn’t build a shrine to Wentz. 

My only concern with benching him for Hurts is that it'll make Wentz worse, lol. If mgmt. isn't planning to move on from him, just let him go out there and try to play himself out of this funk to see if he improves. If our division was any good and we had no shot, I'd say bench him now, but we're the tallest midget again this year.  I think next year Doug will def pull him if he's still playing awful early on, or if we somehow have a lead in the div this season and Wentz's poor play allows DAL/WAS to come back and make the playoffs.

Wentz is shell shocked ATM. He's scared to go on the field and step on another land mine. Think the hit he took in playoffs last year really rattled him. I would buy most the excuses people are making if it was last year, but this year he is a shell of himself. Time to make some adjustments or hard choices.

56 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

4 turnovers in a single game is enough to get anyone benched for that game. Everyone want to blame the line, wide receivers, or the defense. So far I do see Wentz as the issue. Defense contributed greatly to each win they've had this season but have been hated on each week.

Doug doesn't have the balls to make the move.

 

The shoe fits... boy does it fit.

I just don't know how you can watch this guy play week in and week out and then say this guy is a franchise QB. Most of Carson's 2020 issues are issues he's had in past seasons -- erratic accuracy, fumbling, inconsistency. The analytics folks also tell me he had a high number of "interceptable balls" thrown the past few years.

So other than a few highlight reel plays and a nice end of season run last year barely beating trash teams, what has this guy done since 2017?

23 minutes ago, MF POON said:

My only concern with benching him for Hurts is that it'll make Wentz worse, lol. If mgmt. isn't planning to move on from him, just let him go out there and try to play himself out of this funk to see if he improves. If our division was any good and we had no shot, I'd say bench him now, but we're the tallest midget again this year.  I think next year Doug will def pull him if he's still playing awful early on, or if we somehow have a lead in the div this season and Wentz's poor play allows DAL/WAS to come back and make the playoffs.

It could be a case that they don’t think Hurts is ready too and they don’t want to ruin him. A few bad games by the rook could mess him up bad. I know this much. The apologists need to stop saying they put Wentz over so many of his peers. He’s not that guy anymore.

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

So realistically in this 2020 season his top playmakers were all there last night except Sanders...and Boston Scott was playing well. 

I'm not sure what the issue is with Boston Scott, yesterday was the only game where he ran like he did last year and he only did that for the 1st half.

Bucky said it right. Take the names off the back of the shirt and evaluate the players by the numbers. Eagles have the worse QB in the NFC east right now.

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Like I've said before. He was MVP level in 2017. 

It's about consistency, Lamar Jackson was a MVP last year, look at him now, Jake Delhomme, Vince Ferragamo and many other QB's have led their teams to SBs only to never be heard from again.  

It seems to me more research should have been done on Wentz's accuracy issues, there's a good chance that what we've been seeing is what we're gonna get from him.  So many big gains are left on the field because he rarely hits the receivers in stride.

Just as Lamar Jackson isn't a natural passer, nor is Wentz. 

 

1 minute ago, EagleVA said:

It's about consistency, Lamar Jackson was a MVP last year, look at him now, Jake Delhomme, Vince Ferragamo and many other QB's have led their teams to SBs only to never be heard from again.  

It seems to me more research should have been done on Wentz's accuracy issues, there's a good chance that what we've been seeing is what we're gonna get from him.  So many big gains are left on the field because he rarely hits the receivers in stride.

Just as Lamar Jackson isn't a natural passer, nor is Wentz. 

 

If you remember when Carson was drafted most of the prognosticators thought he needed a year to learn and develop so what happened? Well Howie got a deal he couldn’t refuse and he traded away Bradford. After that they put him in there, cause a rookie with mechanical issues was better than their over paid alternative at the time. He’s never really been given the full set of development and coaching he really needed and 2017 made him almost untouchable. Now we see a guy who still makes rookie mistakes and I don’t think anyone can bring this guy back. 

3 hours ago, XoqTionR said:

By all means I don't think the defense is world class, but they have hung in there and closed some games I was nervous to finish watching. Defense has gave up big plays here and there but have made turnovers when needed and opportune times. Part of the defenses problem is they are on the field to long. offense turning ball over giving up the short field, offense not putting up points were they can pin their ears back.

The D has had some poor games no doubt (Pittsburgh and LA Rams were both poor).

But the fact is the O's exceptionally poor play and turnovers has put the D in holes most of the season. The yards given up has actually been really good. 

Against the Ravens. The offense did this in their first 6 series:

- 13 yards punt

6 yards punt

4 yards punt

3 yards fumble

- 2 yards punt

- 10 yards punt.

 

So basically at -12 yards and one turnover. Put the D in hole after hole and didn't control the clock or keep Lamar away from the ball at all. This D isn't elite, but even an elite D would give up points if they keep being put in holes like that.

 

I honestly think they treated this game almost like preseason

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It should also be noted that Hurts has thrown two passes this season and immediately got rid of the football for competitions. Kind of negates that whole bad line if you get rid of the darn football and try not to be a hero when you don’t have to be. Anyways fanboys get back to telling us how great captain caveman will be once an entire new team is magically put around him. 

Wentz is trying to make a big play every play for some reason instead of taking what defenses give him. Just so weird like he's pressing. Looks like a rookie out there.

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

But again, how often do QBs making that money get benched? Lamar had 4 TOs. Goff had 4 TOs. Not saying they've been as bad as Wentz this season, but a benching isn't even a thought. Benching Wentz at this point means you're done with him for good. The fans/media/locker room would be gone if he gets benched and then comes back. You know it. So if you want to move on, fine, but you aren't cutting him or trading him with that cap hit. So what's the solution?

This defense blows, regardless of Wentz. Any semblance of a defense and we beat both Pittsburgh and Baltimore. This team cannot defend against a good offense. You'll see that in the coming weeks.

Goroppolo got the hook when he stunk it up a week ago. Not unheard of. Wentz was just fortunate that Dallas had a H.S. QB this weekend starting.

5 minutes ago, judunno said:

Wentz is trying to make a big play every play for some reason instead of taking what defenses give him. Just so weird like he's pressing. Looks Plays like a rookie out there.

FIXED!!

Dallas' rookie out played him.