Dalton plays we lose, Dak plays blow out.

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Dalton plays we lose, Dak plays blow out.

That was my thoughts exactly.

59 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

It's about consistency, Lamar Jackson was a MVP last year, look at him now, Jake Delhomme, Vince Ferragamo and many other QB's have led their teams to SBs only to never be heard from again.  

It seems to me more research should have been done on Wentz's accuracy issues, there's a good chance that what we've been seeing is what we're gonna get from him.  So many big gains are left on the field because he rarely hits the receivers in stride.

Just as Lamar Jackson isn't a natural passer, nor is Wentz. 

 

You very, very clearly didn't even read the entire post.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

He was so good in 2018 yet he led his team to a losing record and couldn’t win against contending teams. In 2018 they made the playoffs because he wasn’t there. 

In some ways, his 2018 was better than 2017 in surprisingly a lot of areas across the board.

Even so, 102 QB rating. 70% completion percentage. 21 TDs and 7 picks in 11 games. 

Don't forget, he had a broken back and was coming off of a major leg injury, but because he was a game under .500 he was "garbage"

You cry because Wentz "defenders" never fault Wentz (which is false) and yet you (and many others) aren't capable of being objective at all. We get it, Wentz has never been a good QB.

It's becoming increasingly clear who is and isnt capable of having an actual discussion about Wentz. 

25 minutes ago, judunno said:

Goroppolo got the hook when he stunk it up a week ago. Not unheard of. Wentz was just fortunate that Dallas had a H.S. QB this weekend starting.

Fair, but he also had a QB rating of 15. That was comically bad. 

I'm not saying it has never happened, because we saw it happen with McNabb, but it's not common.

59 minutes ago, judunno said:

Wentz is trying to make a big play every play for some reason instead of taking what defenses give him. Just so weird like he's pressing. Looks like a rookie out there.

I don’t know what the coaches can do with a guy they have to keep reminding it’s a bad idea to make turnovers and time and time again this season he keeps saying he’s going to fix it, but does the same stuff. On top of that he says he’s not going to change his ways. He is what he is. He loves the big big play and that brings more wows than a 10 play 80 yard drive mostly dominated by runs. You can’t win anything big with Jekyll and Hyde as the man under center. I’m convinced we will never win it with this guy playing the way he does. 

44 minutes ago, Swoop said:

In some ways, his 2018 was better than 2017 in surprisingly a lot of areas across the board.

Even so, 102 QB rating. 70% completion percentage. 21 TDs and 7 picks in 11 games. 

Don't forget, he had a broken back and was coming off of a major leg injury, but because he was a game under .500 he was "garbage"

You cry because Wentz "defenders" never fault Wentz (which is false) and yet you (and many others) aren't capable of being objective at all. We get it, Wentz has never been a good QB.

It's becoming increasingly clear who is and isnt capable of having an actual discussion about Wentz. 

The numbers meant nothing in 2018. He beat no one and he was basically doing what all you apologists claimed Dak does and that put up stats against prevent defenses because his team was always behind. You’re defending that putrid display of quarterbacking we saw against a historically bad Dallas defense, but I’m the one who can’t discuss Wentz? Okay bud. Proceed on with your delusions. The funny thing was Foles three for 334 yards and a touchdown against Tampa in 2018 and he got killed for it. Meanwhile you boys are trying to minimize Carson’s 4 turnover suckfest. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The numbers meant nothing in 2018. He beat no one and he was basically doing what all you apologists claimed Dak does and that put up stats against prevent defenses because his team was always behind. You’re defending that putrid display of quarterbacking we saw against a historically bad Dallas defense, but I’m the one who can’t discuss Wentz? Okay bud. Proceed on with your delusions. 

Where did I defend Wentz for his play in Dallas? 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Where did I defend Wentz for his play in Dallas? 

I’m saying he played bad and for some reason you seem to have a problem with that. 

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The numbers meant nothing in 2018. He beat no one and he was basically doing what all you apologists claimed Dak does and that put up stats against prevent defenses because his team was always behind. You’re defending that putrid display of quarterbacking we saw against a historically bad Dallas defense, but I’m the one who can’t discuss Wentz? Okay bud. Proceed on with your delusions. The funny thing was Foles three for 334 yards and a touchdown against Tampa in 2018 and he got killed for it. Meanwhile you boys are trying to minimize Carson’s 4 turnover suckfest. 

Completely false. We had leads in almost every game Wentz played that year other than the Saints game. Those were not "garbage time” numbers. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

I’m saying he played bad and for some reason you seem to have a problem with that. 

I don't have a problem with that.

I have a problem when people act as though he's always been this bad. Like he hasn't been a good to great QB the majority of his career to this point.

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

Completely false. We had leads in almost every game Wentz played that year other than the Saints game. Those were not "garbage time” numbers. 

Wentz was the 12th ranked QB in 2018. He was 11th last season, with a crippled team.

But no, he's never been good and has always been one of the worst QBs in the league.

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

Completely false. We had leads in almost every game Wentz played that year other than the Saints game. Those were not "garbage time” numbers. 

We got destroyed by the Saints. We didn’t have a lead in the Vikings game. The Titans game the defense gave it up in OT. The Panthers game we did have the lead and lost it in the 4th. The Cowboys game was back and forth. So not all of the games were fluff stats, but some of them were like the Vikings and Saints game. He beat the Colts that year so I give him credit for that. Statistically it was a better season than 2017, but he did not get the same results. I also can’t let him off the hook for being unable to muster any offense after the 17 in Carolina, but that is a different argument. 

12 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't have a problem with that.

I have a problem when people act as though he's always been this bad. Like he hasn't been a good to great QB the majority of his career to this point.

Wentz was the 12th ranked QB in 2018. He was 11th last season, with a crippled team.

But no, he's never been good and has always been one of the worst QBs in the league.

Obviously Carson hasn’t always been this bad, but you also need to recognize the tendencies and the regression. Is it possible he changes? I guess he can after all he was at one place and now he’s here, but sometimes guys just loose it too. You can’t assume that cause he was good in the past he will be good in the future. What matters most is right now he stinks. Last year he struggled to beat good teams. He got a win against Green Bay and that’s the last good team he’s beat. We also have had the same drought issues with the offense. Don’t get me wrong I don’t expect him to score on every drive, but multiple series of 3 and outs don’t cut it especially against a team like the Giants. All in all it’s a lot of the same. He can wow you at times with his play and other times he just looks bad. He in every sense to me is a gamble and when you gamble sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but you can’t really count on that. You don’t agree and that’s fine. 

Wentz still sucks

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

We got destroyed by the Saints. We didn’t have a lead in the Vikings game. The Titans game the defense gave it up in OT. The Panthers game we did have the lead and lost it in the 4th. The Cowboys game was back and forth. So not all of the games were fluff stats, but some of them were like the Vikings and Saints game. He beat the Colts that year so I give him credit for that. Statistically it was a better season than 2017, but he did not get the same results. I also can’t let him off the hook for being unable to muster any offense after the 17 in Carolina, but that is a different argument. 

We only scored 7 points against the Saints so there was no stat padding there either. So that leaves us with just the Vikings game where he did put up useless stats late. 1 game is hardly a season of garbage time stats like Dak does. 

I've been thinking on this since game-time yesterday . . . gotta get some of it out or I'm gonna burst !

I'm sure this entire Wentz saga is being played out over & over & over in the heads of the Eagles brain-trusts. 

I'm also sure they'd like to get through this season before pulling the trigger on some sort of corrective action.

Otherwise, we'd never be in the position we're in at the moment. Just my opinion.

Hurts was drafted in order to back up Wentz, period. He was there in the 2nd round and was seen as filling any

of several potential "needs" going forward. It's clear they have no intention of going forward with Sudfeld, perhaps

not even in 3rd string.

We here on the outside can entertain all of our theories and ideas with no responsibility or fiduciary consequences . . .

but team management cannot. They've 'married' this guy and now he's going off on a 'drunken bender' so to speak.

Team management are wondering if he's ever gonna come home in one piece and be the man that they thought he

would be. If it were me I'd be looking at the fine print of his contract and plotting exactly where & when I make my move,

depending upon his actions.

Wentz has crossed a barrier: he's no longer seen as a good QB going through a rough time. He's now being seen as some

sort of megalomaniacal  (and very wealthy)  young man who thinks he can do whatever he wants with impunity and little or no

regard for the team or those around him. He is now being openly ridiculed by some in the media and it's only a question of

time before they all jump on the carousel. 

This  HAS  to be embarrassing to team management. They can say they don't pay attention to such things and  YADA  YADA  YADA 

but ya know what?  They  HAVE  to pay attention to this b/c they make their living off a positive media image which is now being ridiculed.

Unless Wentz can somehow right the ship I don't see this going on like this more than another  2 - 4  games tops.

Yesterday's game was a  NATIONAL  EMBARRASSMENT  ON  NATIONAL  TV.

Something's gotta give.       

52 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

We only scored 7 points against the Saints so there was no stat padding there either. So that leaves us with just the Vikings game where he did put up useless stats late. 1 game is hardly a season of garbage time stats like Dak does. 

 

54 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

We only scored 7 points against the Saints so there was no stat padding there either. So that leaves us with just the Vikings game where he did put up useless stats late. 1 game is hardly a season of garbage time stats like Dak does. 

You’re right about the Saints game. He threw for less than 200 yards and had three picks. He was brutal. 

Wentz stinks. Talented but a damned idiot. Stubborn, cannot be coached, and after playing awful quarterback for the first half of the season has the arrogance  to stand before a microphone and say he’s not going to change his aggressive mentality? I mean can you even imagine being such an ass? Yes, you have to change Carson. You have to change just about everything to fulfill your potential but you won’t because its all about you and your damned "aggressive mentality” aka "hero ball.” Meanwhile commentators all over football are straight up laughing at you. Good job. Go kill a damned duck.

16 minutes ago, Runtherock said:

Wentz stinks. Talented but a damned idiot. Stubborn, cannot be coached, and after playing awful quarterback for the first half of the season has the arrogance  to stand before a microphone and say he’s not going to change his aggressive mentality? I mean can you even imagine being such an ass? Yes, you have to change Carson. You have to change just about everything to fulfill your potential but you won’t because its all about you and your damned "aggressive mentality” aka "hero ball.” Meanwhile commentators all over football are straight up laughing at you. Good job. Go kill a damned duck.

I'll take his aggressiveness over a guy looking to become the next Jim Everett, curling up in a fetal position on the field when there's the slightest hint of pressure. 

I'd rather have a guy trying to make a play, than a guy trying not to get hit in a football game. 

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I know publicly the players say all the right things when it comes to Wentz, but anonymously we have heard the rumblings. Again they didn’t build a shine to Carson. That is a clear action of their true feelings IMO. 

Exactly. Now perhaps those rumblings are the media creating stories but usually there's no smoke without fire. I don't think there would be a mutiny if Wentz was benched. 

I think Wentz still plays as long as we are in a division race which unfortunately will be in play by the end of the season. If playoffs were out of reach in a couple of weeks there would be a good case to start Hurts for the rest of the season. Unfortunately Doug would see a division title as a huge success which is just sad. Also on the other hand I'm hoping Wentz plays a lot better in the second half of the season.

I haven't responded to this because well, taking a stance here is pretty black and white. I'm at the point where I'm getting close to being one or the other. 

1. The coaching staff and organization has to take an enormous amount of blame. In what world do you go up against an historically bad run defense, have a 20-yard run on the first play from scrimmage and then abandon the run? On top of that, why do you do it with a guy at LT who is old and broken down and a guy at RT who can't play the position because he's not just learning LT, he's learning how to play f'ing football. Right there, Doug Pederson, the entire offensive staff and everyone up to Jeffrey Lurie are morons. How is this allowed to happen? Moving on...You then drop back and see a murder sack. OK, let's run again. That's any coaching level. No, Doug passes. And I'm ready to be done. Turnover. 

The playcalling is horrible and obviously, Carson Wentz is being enabled to do some things I'm going to get to. 

2. Carson Wentz is not a good QB right now. In fact, he's just plain bad. Sure, he is an athlete that can buy time and help the Eagles win with his feet. His "hero ball" is what "keeps them in games". His hero ball is what puts them in the holes that he has to dig them out of. Carson Wentz is not digging the Eagles out of holes the defense puts them in, or Miles Sanders' fumbling, or just a bad day. Carson Wentz is cleaning up after Carson Wentz. I have to be honest, I'd be tired of him if I were on that team. No accountability. None. 

And he's a captain. 

I'd have benched him in the Dallas game. 4 turnovers is a teachable moment. "Carson, this cannot continue." Everyone, including Carson, is creating this monster. 

I do not want to lose a guy who showed a ton of promise, but at this point he looks to be lost. I am not confident in him going forward. 

57 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Unfortunately Doug would see a division title as a huge success which is just sad.

Winning the division is a goal the team set before the season began. The state of the division doesn't change this goal. The struggles this team has had doesn't change this goal. Reaching this goal is not "sad." It's actually pretty important. Nobody is going to be content with a struggling team regardless of what goals they reach. They may or may not get better, but they will be trying to improve.

15 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Winning the division is a goal the team set before the season began. The state of the division doesn't change this goal. The struggles this team has had doesn't change this goal. Reaching this goal is not "sad." It's actually pretty important. Nobody is going to be content with a struggling team regardless of what goals they reach. They may or may not get better, but they will be trying to improve.

I agree to some extent. But what does trying to get better entail. Get Wentz some better qb coaching focused on mechanics? Get a real OC who can design some better plays?  Some screens?  Mis direction plays? And also call plays. If this does not happen in the off season then we did not learn anything this season. I'm no expert but even I can see the play calling is horrible and the offence is just stale and boring.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'll take his aggressiveness over a guy looking to become the next Jim Everett, curling up in a fetal position on the field when there's the slightest hint of pressure. 

I'd rather have a guy trying to make a play, than a guy trying not to get hit in a football game. 

Why are those the only 2 options?

Why can't a guy that was hyped as so smart and on his way to being elite, figure out to protect the ball better and make smarter plays?