7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

He produced some clutch catches in the 4 game winning streak that got us into the playoffs last year. That's not "nothing." When Wentz targets JJAW more than 2 times in a game, we might get a better idea of the contribution JJAW can make. For that to happen, things on the offense need to improve, starting with the blocking and then the QB play. 

I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting we play JJAW over Fulgham. I am merely stating my opinion that you don't give up on a WR after a little over 1 season just because he is rarely targeted. Now, if he's dropping everything or showing little effort on the field, that's totally different. 

He did? How come I can’t remember any of them? Seriously how can you actually claim a guy with 10 catches for that season and one touchdown be clutch? In that span you are referring to he had 4 catches. Greg Ward played in 9 less games than him and had 28 catches. Josh Perkins only played in 5 games and had one less catch than JJAW. On a team that was desperate for anyone to step up he didn’t, and he’s doing the same this year. Then you want to claim he’s clutch. Did you know he was targeted 22 times that year and he only caught the ball ten times? That’s less than 50%of the time the ball came his way he was catching it. I have no idea what you see in this guy to be so protective of him. Ward was targeted 40 times and 70% of the time he brought the ball down. Claiming JJAW is clutch is frankly insulting. 

In those 2 games alone, JJAW was in position to score several easy TDs had he been targeted. I don't know how else to say it, but I just can't blame a guy for not being thrown to--- especially when he is getting open. 

BTW, "targeted" does not always mean catchable --- please tell me you understand this. He did have the 1 drop last year and that's his fault. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

In those 2 games alone, JJAW was in position to score several easy TDs had he been targeted. I don't know how else to say it, but I just can't blame a guy for not being thrown to--- especially when he is getting open. 

BTW, "targeted" does not always mean catchable --- please tell me you understand this. He did have the 1 drop last year and that's his fault. 

 

 

 

The QB isn't going to throw to a WR that he can't trust. You see how many times he targeted Fulgham last game- in only his SECOND game? Why? Because he knows he can trust him ALREADY. J_turd has been here awhile and Wentz can't trust him. Simple as that.

1 hour ago, philafan4o8 said:

 

 

 

Am I the only one felt most of those "open JJAW” plays there was better options than him? 

I can’t. 😂🤣😂🤣 This dude made a video on plays JJAW didn’t make. 😂🤣😂🤣😩😩😩😩

Lol the route running in the videos are not good. That dig route.......so rounded that 9/10 times if targeted that would get picked off

3 hours ago, philafan4o8 said:

Lol the route running in the videos are not good. That dig route.......so rounded that 9/10 times if targeted that would get picked off

Yup.  Also, there has been some sort of implication that he runs lazy routes.  He doesn't run lazy routes.  They LOOK lazy.  He's slow and can't change direction.  This is information that was available on draft day.  They chose him anyway.

17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I can’t. 😂🤣😂🤣 This dude made a video on plays JJAW didn’t make. 😂🤣😂🤣😩😩😩😩

He was open, he was scripted...coulda woulda shoulda.

So did that catch buy him another year?

Good to see JJAW still has one dude on here constantly defending his lack of production and talent. 

LMAO what makes them think he has any value 🤣🤣🤣🤣

On 10/13/2020 at 7:55 PM, brkmsn said:

In those 2 games alone, JJAW was in position to score several easy TDs had he been targeted. I don't know how else to say it, but I just can't blame a guy for not being thrown to--- especially when he is getting open. 

BTW, "targeted" does not always mean catchable --- please tell me you understand this. He did have the 1 drop last year and that's his fault. 

Seems to be open on a number of routes and Wentz either makes wrong read or can't get ball to him.

Not sure why Wentz doesn't throw to him on a number of the highlighted routes?

Would be interesting to see a cut up of his snaps this season.

Odd that after reagor and desean got hurt doug says we're going to rely on JJaw more then gives hightower more reps then elevates fulgham and decreases JJaw snap to around 15% a game.

I'm not sure what Wentz and coaches are seeing but it's obviously not JJAW.

Too bad eagles could use the help but seems fulgham has flown past him on snaps as has hightower, though high tower hasn't done much either.

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Seems to be open on a number of routes and Wentz either makes wrong read or can't get ball to him.

Not sure why Wentz doesn't throw to him on a number of the highlighted routes?

Would be interesting to see a cut up of his snaps this season.

Odd that after reagor and desean got hurt doug says we're going to rely on JJaw more then gives hightower more reps then elevates fulgham and decreases JJaw snap to around 15% a game.

I'm not sure what Wentz and coaches are seeing but it's obviously not JJAW.

Too bad eagles could use the help but seems fulgham has flown past him on snaps as has hightower, though high tower hasn't done much either.

Judging by snap counts JJAW’s snaps have dropped significantly from the time DP declared that he would be a major part of the offense this season. He’s also been nicked up so that could be part of it too. With that being the case at least Wentz knows Fulgham will go out there and fight to bring down a catch. He can’t say they same for JJAW or Hightower right now. On a side note Hightower has had a significantly high snap count for him to be a struggling rookie so far. I’m sure that will drop when the other guys get back, but even though Hightower is struggling his snap count is higher than JJAW’s. So it isn’t just Wentz that is doubting him. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Judging by snap counts JJAW’s snaps have dropped significantly from the time DP declared that he would be a major part of the offense this season. He’s also been nicked up so that could be part of it too. With that being the case at least Wentz knows Fulgham will go out there and fight to bring down a catch. He can’t say they same for JJAW or Hightower right now. On a side note Hightower has had a significantly high snap count for him to be a struggling rookie so far. I’m sure that will drop when the other guys get back, but even though Hightower is struggling his snap count is higher than JJAW’s. So it isn’t just Wentz that is doubting him. 

Yup. I've been surprised at hightowers high snap count. He's looked at best like a rookie,he seems to be getting better week to week.

As for JJAW wonder if he has any value at all in a trade???

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Odd that after reagor and desean got hurt doug says we're going to rely on JJaw more then gives hightower more reps then elevates fulgham and decreases JJaw snap to around 15% a game.

JJAW got hurt in the Bengals game, missed the 49ers game and then returned last week. Fulgham really stepped up and took away a lot of snaps from JJAW, and rightfully so. Hightower is more or less filling in for Jackson / Reagor.

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

As for JJAW wonder if he has any value at all in a trade???

There may be some teams that were high on him in the draft that would like to take a look at him, but at this point, you won't get much in trade value. This is the kind of thing where one team would trade their disappointing prospect for another team's disappointing prospect. I'd rather hold on to him and hope there's a normal offseason and preseason next year where we can actually get him a ton of work and find out what's there. 

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup. I've been surprised at hightowers high snap count. He's looked at best like a rookie,he seems to be getting better week to week.

As for JJAW wonder if he has any value at all in a trade???

Maybe with Joe Douglas and that depends on how much input he had in that pick to begin with. I don’t think the Eagles could find any trade value in him just like Rasul, Jones, and all the other guys they buried.

Maybe our 2nd round pick just needs a 3rd offseason to have more than a few catches.  

Meanwhile practice squad guys signed from other teams are making impact immediately, and rookies with the same COVID offseason as their only prep are making plays.  

Just stop with the excuses for JJ-AWFUL already.  

"JJAW has trade value."

 

Folks, that's call that an oxymoron 

46 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Maybe our 2nd round pick just needs a 3rd offseason to have more than a few catches.  

Maybe he just needs to be thrown the ball on 1 or 2 of his 8 snaps. Oh ... wait, that did happen and he caught the pass. 

Let's project, for the sake of argument, that Fulgham is the real deal and is our new X for the next few years. Reagor will likely now go back to playing Z as he was projected to. Assuming the Eagles move on from Jeffery and Jackson after this season ... the depth chart should look like this:

X: Fulgham -- JJAW

Z: Reagor -- Hightower

Slot: Ward -- Watkins

Why is it so terrible to get "our 2nd round pick" a heavy dose of work in the offseason in case something happens to Fulgham? Or is it that one should automatically lose their spot on the roster when a player drafted later than them or poached off another team's practice squad actually proves to be a better player?

Fulgham made a big play vs the 49ers that helped us win that game. It filled him with confidence, gave Wentz confidence in him, and gave the team confidence in him. Something like that probably wouldn't hurt JJAW. Or we can just root against him ..." whaaa ... whaaa ... Howie picked him ... whaa .. they both need to go ... whaaaaaaa... Metcalf!!! ... whaaaaaa..." IDK, it just seems kind of stupid to me not to root for him. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Maybe he just needs to be thrown the ball on 1 or 2 of his 8 snaps. Oh ... wait, that did happen and he caught the pass. 

et "our 2nd round pick" a heavy dose of work in the offseason in case something happens to Fulgham? Or is it that one should automatically lose their spot on the roster when a player drafted later than them or poached off another team's practice squad actually proves to be a better player?

Fulgham made a big play vs the 49ers that helped us win that game. It filled him with confidence, gave Wentz confidence in him, and gave the team confidence in him. Something like that probably wouldn't hurt JJAW. Or we can just root against him ..." whaaa ... whaaa ... Howie picked him ... whaa .. they both need to go ... whaaaaaaa... Metcalf!!! ... whaaaaaa..." IDK, it just seems kind of stupid to me not to root for him. 

He needs to get open first.

Also, there is a huge difference between rooting against and not rooting for. Its the difference between caring and apathy. Listen, I hope he turns it around, but I am not holding my breath. 

Just poppin’ off here but the guy had 10/169 w 1 TD as a rook. I get it. He blocked, a lot. Isn’t it a bit much to hate on this guy in his 2nd year? No..that’s what we do.
 

Some receivers take years, some don’t. The rest of the league ( not just us ) passed on DK because of his neck injury and supposed 1 dimension game. Seattle didn’t pass. We suck at drafting WR’s, it’s the curse.

With that said, J.J. has the tools of which you can’t teach. What he lacks can be taught ( getting open, running routes ) & practiced a couple years. 

Put this thread in a time capsule until the playoffs. Start, play & keep a healthy Alshon, Jackson, Ward, Fulghum, Hightower & Watkins. Move on. 
 

Another thought more stimulating to me is...if Alshon and Jackson are healthy..we put Fulghum in, one of the 3 plays slot and we tear it up. 

 

 

On 10/13/2020 at 8:37 AM, brkmsn said:

That's a false conclusion based on limited targets. He's a 2nd year player trying to get better. He may have better players in front of him now (thanks to Fulgham) when Jeffery returns. So there will be a challenge getting him snaps. He'll have to make the most of them. His lack of production to this point, does not define his future. 

The guy has one more catch than me this season. When the year is over he likely won’t have an NFL future anymore.

6 hours ago, Jsvand12 said:

The guy has one more catch than me this season. When the year is over he likely won’t have an NFL future anymore.

Barring a trade, he'll still be on the Eagles' roster next year. He's coming off a strong camp and has only been targeted 3 times this year. 

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Barring a trade, he'll still be on the Eagles' roster next year. He's coming off a strong camp and has only been targeted 3 times this year. 

I’d take that bet. He has been targeted 3 times because he can’t get open, can’t run routes, and can’t get snaps over an undrafted former QB at WR. Maybe he’ll get picked up for a look from someone on waivers but if he’s on this team next season it means that  Roseman had another terrible offseason.