Just now, Ride the Walrus said:

The only good thing is that states regulate the elections and their EC votes, so it makes it more difficult. You'd think places with Ds in control like PA, WI, MI, NC it'd be harder to toss out all the mail ins. I mean they are failing pretty good on the suits within PA from what I see. I can't see the military standing with President Snowflake either if he loses or starts trying to. I'm more worried about the Trumpbots that believe their Dear Leader that if Trump isn't declared winner then it is rigged. Those nutbags have guns, which their mental stability says they shouldn't, and are dumb and crazy enough to follow their hero.

Maybe. That's the only chance. If the states you mentioned certify their elections, can the SC rule that their electoral votes don't count? Wouldn't surprise me. Agree on your second point. No matter what happens there will be violence and death.

10 minutes ago, Ride the Walrus said:

The only good thing is that states regulate the elections and their EC votes, so it makes it more difficult. You'd think places with Ds in control like PA, WI, MI, NC it'd be harder to toss out all the mail ins. I mean they are failing pretty good on the suits within PA from what I see. I can't see the military standing with President Snowflake either if he loses or starts trying to. I'm more worried about the Trumpbots that believe their Dear Leader that if Trump isn't declared winner then it is rigged. Those nutbags have guns, which their mental stability says they shouldn't, and are dumb and crazy enough to follow their hero.

They also have micro-P's for the most part, so really what do they have to lose?

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The trend line decreased.  It didn't "happen to".  It just did.  You can credit magic or the underwear gnomes if you want, but the President gets credit and blame for the economy.  In terms of jobs, in no way shape or form did Obama "not support the working class" unless you have some weird definition that somehow excludes him from supporting them but includes Trump, despite Trump creating less jobs than Obama.

Based upon their voting trends in 2016 and since they would overwhelmingly disagree with you.  I suppose that's just because they're uneducated Trumpbots though, hunh?

Just now, Gannan said:

Maybe. That's the only chance. If the states you mentioned certify their elections, can the SC rule that their electoral votes don't count? Wouldn't surprise me. Agree on your second point. No matter what happens there will be violence and death.

That I do not know, but at that point it then becomes a complete collapse of our government as who is going to listen to the SC? Everything is based upon our faith in the system and once that is completely gone then well. Our hope is military leaders, which in reality would be the only ones capable of enforcing anything, would because refuse to listen to this and overthrow the illegitimate attempts to pervert our system. The Constitution and laws are just a concept and words on paper. If there is no faith in the system and enforcement then none of that matters. I fear it is going to get ugly. The best hope is Trump gets trounced, so even the Bots realize he lost.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Bottom line from today...get used to this face on the bench and a 5-4 Trump 2nd term when the BS recounting votes case comes before them.

 

This chick looks like she was probably pretty hot in her hay day. I wouldn't have minded to have been Brett Kavanaugh'ed by her at a party back in high school.

10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

They also have micro-P's for the most part, so really what do they have to lose?

Hahah true you look at the Trumpbots here or watch any of his rallies. These people are loonies. They're people that certainly should not be allowed to own weapons. It is amazing they can even function in life let alone be responsible with a deadly weapon.

20 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Based upon their voting trends in 2016 and since they would overwhelmingly disagree with you.  I suppose that's just because they're uneducated Trumpbots though, hunh?

A lot of white working class people voted for Trump in 2016.  They fell for his BS.  And a lot of them have changed course since then once they realized Trump's a conman.

And of course none of this has anything to do with your statement that Obama didn't "support the working class".  So, again, do you take that statement back?

2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I acknowledged that the unemployment trend decline started under Obama.  I'm just saying Trump still deserves credit for driving it lower.  What more do you want?

Ok, but you simply pointed out that in one moment in time he had a low unemployment number. It's less clear how much of an impact Trump had when you look in context at the long term trends. 

I'm not saying he gets zero credit. But I am saying it's not so cut and dry as to say "it's because of what he did"

Think of it this way. A CEO comes in to a widget making company during a crisis in the widget-making industry. Over the next 8 years that company sees steady growth around say 2% each year. After 8 years that CEO steps aside and a new one comes in. No major crises happen in the widget-making industry, and growth more or less stays the same over the next 3 years.

How much credit should the latter get? Some to be sure, but how much? Credit for not making a mess of things? How much did what the 2nd CEO did actually make an impact?

These are the detail that matter. There is no great growth in areas that Trump promised growth in (manufacturing for example) to point to, farmers are worse off than they were 4 years ago, coal is still dead, real wages haven't really changed that much (see below, and https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2020/real-weekly-earnings-up-3-point-9-percent-for-year-ended-august-2020.htm) ...

This is for production and non-supervisory employees - working class more or less. They were flat 2017-2019, looked better in 2019, and 2020 is all over because of COVID. Obama wasn't great here either, his first term especially was weak. Looked good later in his 2nd term for a bit. M

My point being there was not some tremendous economic shift under Trump despite the rhetoric.

Facts are not matching the rhetoric. Trends are not matching the rhetoric.

He was handed a very good economy, and it kept going in the direction it was. That's not nothing, but it doesn't match the rhetoric. 

 

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

This chick looks like she was probably pretty hot in her hay day. I wouldn't have minded to have been Brett Kavanaugh'ed by her at a party back in high school.

I'll never find jokes about assaulting women funny. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I'll never find jokes about assaulting women funny. 

That implies you actually believed Blasey Ford. Nice try though.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That implies you actually believed Blasey Ford. Nice try though.

No, it implies you have a sick mind that just joked about how you would liked to have raped a woman. You can't spin out of that disturbing post and what happened to Ford is irrelevant. You don't joke about assaulting women. Period.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, it implies you have a sick mind that just joked about how you would liked to have raped a woman. You can't spin out of that disturbing post and what happened to Ford is irrelevant. You don't joke about assaulting women. Period.

Read it again, you dingleberry. I never said anything of the sort.

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Read it again, you dingleberry. I never said anything of the sort.

You are correct I read that wrong and apologize. 

big difference...he would like to have BEEN RAPED!  that's different!

 

rapee....not raper!    

 

 

    

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Bottom line from today...get used to this face on the bench and a 5-4 Trump 2nd term when the BS recounting votes case comes before them.

 

hit

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

big difference...he would like to have BEEN RAPED!  that's different!

 

 

    

Still don't find it funny. I don't believe Ford but that isnt a topic you joke about either way. When you have multiple female friends who have been raped it isnt something that I will ever find funny.

59 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't know why I even tried

Banging your head against the wall.  I stopped over a year ago.  Never again.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

big difference...he would like to have BEEN RAPED!  that's different!

 

rapee....not raper!    

 

 

    

I like how not only did he imply that he believes Blasey-Ford, but also that he thinks Kavanaugh raped her. Classic trumpbot self-own.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't know why I even tried. Your mind is closed.

 

44 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Ok, but you simply pointed out that in one moment in time he had a low unemployment number. It's less clear how much of an impact Trump had when you look in context at the long term trends. 

I'm not saying he gets zero credit. But I am saying it's not so cut and dry as to say "it's because of what he did"

Think of it this way. A CEO comes in to a widget making company during a crisis in the widget-making industry. Over the next 8 years that company sees steady growth around say 2% each year. After 8 years that CEO steps aside and a new one comes in. No major crises happen in the widget-making industry, and growth more or less stays the same over the next 3 years.

How much credit should the latter get? Some to be sure, but how much? Credit for not making a mess of things? How much did what the 2nd CEO did actually make an impact?

These are the detail that matter. There is no great growth in areas that Trump promised growth in (manufacturing for example) to point to, farmers are worse off than they were 4 years ago, coal is still dead, real wages haven't really changed that much (see below, and https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2020/real-weekly-earnings-up-3-point-9-percent-for-year-ended-august-2020.htm) ...

This is for production and non-supervisory employees - working class more or less. They were flat 2017-2019, looked better in 2019, and 2020 is all over because of COVID. Obama wasn't great here either, his first term especially was weak. Looked good later in his 2nd term for a bit. M

My point being there was not some tremendous economic shift under Trump despite the rhetoric.

Facts are not matching the rhetoric. Trends are not matching the rhetoric.

He was handed a very good economy, and it kept going in the direction it was. That's not nothing, but it doesn't match the rhetoric. 

 

 

So you stopped for 15 minutes and then promptly starting banging your head against the wall yet again.  Take your own advice and stop.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Still don't find it funny. I don't believe Ford but that isnt a topic you joke about either way. When you have multiple female friends who have been raped it isnt something that I will ever find funny.

it certainly was an off-color remark...but i was only laughing at your misinterpretation of what he said. with today's pc culture of the snowflake right, you have to be careful  joking about stuff like that. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I like how not only did he imply that he believes Blasey-Ford, but also that he thinks Kavanaugh raped her. Classic trumpbot self-own.

boofed, for sure!   

44 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Ok, but you simply pointed out that in one moment in time he had a low unemployment number. It's less clear how much of an impact Trump had when you look in context at the long term trends. 

I'm not saying he gets zero credit. But I am saying it's not so cut and dry as to say "it's because of what he did"

Think of it this way. A CEO comes in to a widget making company during a crisis in the widget-making industry. Over the next 8 years that company sees steady growth around say 2% each year. After 8 years that CEO steps aside and a new one comes in. No major crises happen in the widget-making industry, and growth more or less stays the same over the next 3 years.

How much credit should the latter get? Some to be sure, but how much? Credit for not making a mess of things? How much did what the 2nd CEO did actually make an impact?

These are the detail that matter. There is no great growth in areas that Trump promised growth in (manufacturing for example) to point to, farmers are worse off than they were 4 years ago, coal is still dead, real wages haven't really changed that much (see below, and https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2020/real-weekly-earnings-up-3-point-9-percent-for-year-ended-august-2020.htm) ...

This is for production and non-supervisory employees - working class more or less. They were flat 2017-2019, looked better in 2019, and 2020 is all over because of COVID. Obama wasn't great here either, his first term especially was weak. Looked good later in his 2nd term for a bit. M

My point being there was not some tremendous economic shift under Trump despite the rhetoric.

Facts are not matching the rhetoric. Trends are not matching the rhetoric.

He was handed a very good economy, and it kept going in the direction it was. That's not nothing, but it doesn't match the rhetoric. 

 

Fine, but how does that make him any different than any other political leader since the dawn of time?  Unemployment is one of our key economic measurements and probably has a tighter correlation to votes than any other.  It is better under Trump than it has been in almost 70 years.  Is that ALL due to him?  Of course not.  But if he can't speak the the economic numbers under his presidency in a re-election campaign what can he speak to?  It's no more 'rhetoric' than any other politician uses in a re-election bid, is it?

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

boofed, for sure!   

Ya, all the high schoolers I know write witty one-liners in their friends yearbooks like "did you boof yet?"

I mean, if that's not a hilarious fart joke, then I just don't know funny when I see it.

5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

it certainly was an off-color remark...but i was only laughing at your misinterpretation of what he said. with today's pc culture of the snowflake right, you have to be careful  joking about stuff like that. 

I read it wrong and apologized for saying he wanted to. Being a victim of rape still isn't funny and when you have witnessed  the trauma they go through you understand. I was wrong for reading it incorrectly for sure. Just a sensitive subject for me. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I read it wrong and apologized for saying he wanted to. Being a victim of rape still isn't funny and when you have witnessed  the trauma they go through you understand. One tried to kill themselves to get away from it. I was wrong for reading it incorrectly for sure. Just a sensitive subject for me. 

Dude, you do realize she never accused him of rape, right?