9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Well ive been a season ticket holder for over 27 years, Im doing my part at the games in person. (a) Id loved to hear what you do to make them better??? (b) All I see is you busting peoples chops for having a view on a message board that they need change and what they are doing is not working which by our play is a very clear view. I honestly dont see what you do to make the team better. 

That's good, man. 

B is (in a sense) my answer to A, although I would word it differently. "That" they need change is not in question. Of course they do. They would if they were undefeated. That our beaching about it constantly, and crying out for particular people to be fired or cut or benched or whatever, is going to make the change come, or make it better when it comes, is the question. The answer to that question is clearly no. 

We love to think we're like Rocky. Remember all that "it's not how hard you can hit, it's how hard you can get hit" stuff? 

There's a reason we like to pretend we're like Rocky. We should actually try to be more like him. 

Rocky? lol your comparing this team to the Rocky quote? This team is coached by marshmallows who wont even let the players have contact in practice. They run for ice cream after practice. Rocky, lol now thats funny. Well lets just say they havent been hit hard and they still havent got up

Come on, man. We both know I'm comparing the fans to the Rocky quote. 

The team itself, I'm pretty sure, is still fighting as hard as they can. They've taken a lot of punches this season and they're still fighting. We don't hear them whining the way so many of the fans are. 

2 minutes ago, wyote said:

Come on, man. We both know I'm comparing the fans to the Rocky quote. 

The team itself, I'm pretty sure, is still fighting as hard as they can. They've taken a lot of punches this season and they're still fighting. We don't hear them whining the way so many of the fans are. 

Have you ever even been to Philly??? Something tells me thats a no. Listen we get it, your a newer Eagles fan, prob since 2017 and a half. Your new to the football world and the Eagles world. Welcome. But yea the Eagles world is not for you. Honestly dont think any football team is for you. Sounds like your more of a Disney World kinda guy. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Have you ever even been to Philly??? Something tells me thats a no. Listen we get it, your a newer Eagles fan, prob since 2017 and a half. Your new to the football world and the Eagles world. Welcome. But yea the Eagles world is not for you. Honestly dont think any football team is for you. Sounds like your more of a Disney World kinda guy. 

That's pretty funny. 

Anyway, keep doing your part, man. I won't criticize a season-ticket holder. 

39 minutes ago, wyote said:

maybe better because I'm not blinded by hatred for anyone in the organization. 

I'm telling you that our judgments do not help the team perform better. You know they don't. 

So what does? 

Another way of looking at it -- why does home field advantage exist? Why do some teams have more of it than others? 

So we can see the problems but not comment on them?

Firstly, I'm not able to get to the games so I'm not in the stadium jeering or booing. Secondly even if I was then I wouldn't boo, I'd get behind the team fully on game day.

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So we can see the problems but not comment on them?

Firstly, I'm not able to get to the games so I'm not in the stadium jeering or booing. Secondly even if I was then I wouldn't boo, I'd get behind the team fully on game day.

"Comment." 

Whatever. The point is, be part of the solutions, not the problems. You know how to do that. You make a difference. A tiny, tiny difference -- one voice out of millions -- but it's a difference. 

If you really, really are committed to tearing a team down, to getting people to repeat and repeat and repeat how much various people and players suck, to perpetuating narratives that will create distractions and drag a team down, why not go troll the Cowboys or the "Football Team?" They suck too, plenty of problems for you to evaluate, plenty of people to insult, and tearing them down could actually be a constructive way for an Eagles fan to spend their time. Good old trash talking. No harm in that. 

3 hours ago, wyote said:

If you really, really are committed to tearing a team down, to getting people to repeat and repeat and repeat how much various people and players suck, to perpetuating narratives that will create distractions and drag a team down, why not go troll the Cowboys or the "Football Team?" They suck too, plenty of problems for you to evaluate, plenty of people to insult, and tearing them down could actually be a constructive way for an Eagles fan to spend their time. Good old trash talking. No harm in that. 

Firstly, I'm not committed to tearing a team down. I call it how I see it. If others see it that way then fine. If they don't then cool. I don't really see what you're getting at with that. I don't think Howie is a good GM at all, I am now undecided on Doug and Carson. Guess what? Those guys currently work for the team I passionately support but also get this... They will be long gone when I'm still supporting the Eagles. Just because they play for the team or coach the team or control the team doesn't mean they are the right guy. 

Secondly, the Cowboys are garbage no doubt. But I don't care about the Cowboys. They suck now, they have sucked for years and I guess they'll continue to suck for a bit longer. They will eventually turn it around because most teams do but I will always hate them. 

On 11/18/2020 at 5:26 AM, wyote said:

How about we see if we lose the actual games before giving up? 

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Firstly, I'm not committed to tearing a team down. I call it how I see it. If others see it that way then fine. If they don't then cool. I don't really see what you're getting at with that. I don't think Howie is a good GM at all, I am now undecided on Doug and Carson. Guess what? Those guys currently work for the team I passionately support but also get this... They will be long gone when I'm still supporting the Eagles. Just because they play for the team or coach the team or control the team doesn't mean they are the right guy. 

Secondly, the Cowboys are garbage no doubt. But I don't care about the Cowboys. They suck now, they have sucked for years and I guess they'll continue to suck for a bit longer. They will eventually turn it around because most teams do but I will always hate them. 

Well, the circle's complete now. 

You are who you choose to be. 

1 minute ago, wyote said:

Well, the circle's complete now. 

You are who you choose to be. 

You obviously choose to be a complete melt.

Each to their own I suppose.

49 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You obviously choose to be a complete melt.

Each to their own I suppose.

Still engaging eh? 

Banging your head against the wall??  

You know what, he IS right ... everyone else is wrong!!   

 

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

Still engaging eh? 

Banging your head against the wall??  

You know what, he IS right ... everyone else is wrong!!   

 

I don't intend to win a popularity contest with the "bench McNabb, fire Reid, tank for a pick" crowd. 

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

Still engaging eh? 

Banging your head against the wall??  

You know what, he IS right ... everyone else is wrong!!   

 

Yeah I couldn't resist.

I mean to be fair, it's talking utter rubbish. He says we don't make a difference then he says we do make a difference. He says we hurt the team by being negative but he says we don't have to be positive about everything. 

In truth I think he's a bit confused bless him. 

11 hours ago, wyote said:

I don't intend to win a popularity contest with the "bench McNabb, fire Reid, tank for a pick" crowd. 

You are obviously a much better man/fan than (most of) the rest of us.  Kudos to you.  

Some folks like to anoint themselves the Arbiter of proper fandom. They are terribly wrong to do so, because in truth, they are the Arbiter of nothing, thankfully.

Now, what was this thread about again??? Oh yeah, blowing it all up and beginning a true rebuild into a dynasty. I think they should, and I think it does start with the GM position.

20 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Some folks like to anoint themselves the Arbiter of proper fandom. They are terribly wrong to do so, because in truth, they are the Arbiter of nothing, thankfully.

Now, what was this thread about again??? Oh yeah, blowing it all up and beginning a true rebuild into a dynasty. I think they should, and I think it does start with the GM position.

Welcome to the discussion bud!

Yeah I mean I agree with you there. It needs to start with the GM because this roster needs to get better. I mean the roster construction this year has been pretty shambolic let's be honest. I mean Jeffrey has wasted a roster spot all year when he could have been on PUP. Players have been hurt and on the injured list and then after a period of time put on IR. The roster management has been pretty shocking to be honest. 

19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Welcome to the discussion bud!

Yeah I mean I agree with you there. It needs to start with the GM because this roster needs to get better. I mean the roster construction this year has been pretty shambolic let's be honest. I mean Jeffrey has wasted a roster spot all year when he could have been on PUP. Players have been hurt and on the injured list and then after a period of time put on IR. The roster management has been pretty shocking to be honest. 

Yes. All valid points, especially the injury issues. For my part, when I think about the GM, I believe that job goes well beyond the roster.

I've always felt that the GM constructs the overview of what kind of team they are going to be philosophically. Once that's done and the Owner approves, the GM then puts the entire Football Ops portion of the organization together to make that vision a reality. That means, hiring the coaching staff, F.O. personnel (player evaluators, medical staff, training staff, capologist contract attorneys, analytics personnel, etc.), and putting them together in a way that they all fit the vision. Once that's in place, player selection follows and they should fit the vision like a glove. The end game is that all of these things come together and are sustainable over a relatively long period of time. 

Roster building may be the most critical component, but it's not the only one. Failing in the other areas, like the coaching staff for example, could potentially nullify the roster build. Depleting the salary cap before it's all built (including proper depth) could do the same. To me, it's the most important position in any professional sports organization. I don't think Howie has proven able to create a sustainable big picture football team. Time for an upgrade IMO.

12 hours ago, time2rock said:

You are obviously a much better man/fan than (most of) the rest of us.  Kudos to you.  

But obviously I'm nowhere near the GM the rest of you are. 

12 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

I've always felt that the GM constructs the overview of what kind of team they are going to be philosophically. Once that's done and the Owner approves, the GM then puts the entire Football Ops portion of the organization together to make that vision a reality. That means, hiring the coaching staff, F.O. personnel (player evaluators, medical staff, training staff, capologist contract attorneys, analytics personnel, etc.), and putting them together in a way that they all fit the vision.

I certainly agree with this. I do think the GM sets the vision and the direction and then has to go about putting the people in place to carry that out. We thought in 2017 Howie had achieved that. I think what he actually achieved was a fluke.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I certainly agree with this. I do think the GM sets the vision and the direction and then has to go about putting the people in place to carry that out. We thought in 2017 Howie had achieved that. I think what he actually achieved was a fluke.

We caught lightning in a bottle that year as every move Howie made worked out well:

• trading for Ajayi
• signing Blount in FA
• signing Jeffery in FA
• signing Long in FA
• signing Robinson in FA
• trading for Jernigan

All of those players were major contributors to a roster that was already pretty solid but has gone down hill since (whether due to player's leaving or just declining due to age or health concerns) and the talent not properly replenished due to poor drafting and FA acquisitions.  

I think Don makes a great point when he mentioned adding talent in a way that makes sense (that they all fit a vision).  How Howie adds talent these days seems so random and not very well thought out.  Adding NRC when we already had plenty of slot CBs on the roster never made an ounce of sense to me, especially considering we still had a need at outside corner even after adding Slay considering our top 3 outside corners were either jettisoned (Jones, Douglas) or re-signed and moved to a new position (Mills).  Hargrove is a talented player but perhaps not in a scheme that best fits his skill set - perhaps that money would have been better spent on LB?  Such a long list of roster mismanagement since that 2017 season it is ridiculous.  

Again, everyone forgets the gamble that the team has made over the past 3 years -- just trying to squeeze one more good year out of the vets so that they don't waste Carson Wentz's prime rebuilding. 

It's not that the front office is filled with chuckleheads who don't even know as much about the roster as a drunken froth-mouthed TATEr. It was an understandable gamble, and while the cascades of tears here would lead you to believe that they've been nothing but awful, it's worth thinking about the fact that they won 18 games, a division title, and a playoff game with it. And they might still win the division this year, even though the injuries finally caught up with them and Wentz is having a bad year.  

NFL football is hard, boys. Half your seasons are going to be losing seasons. You take your chances, you take your hits, you celebrate your luck when it works out, but you know going in that it's usually not going to, and when it doesn't, you take it with your head held high like a goddamn man. 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

All of those players were major contributors to a roster that was already pretty solid but has gone down hill since (whether due to player's leaving or just declining due to age or health concerns) and the talent not properly replenished due to poor drafting and FA acquisitions.  

I think Don makes a great point when he mentioned adding talent in a way that makes sense (that they all fit a vision).  How Howie adds talent these days seems so random and not very well thought out.  Adding NRC when we already had plenty of slot CBs on the roster never made an ounce of sense to me, especially considering we still had a need at outside corner even after adding Slay considering our top 3 outside corners were either jettisoned (Jones, Douglas) or re-signed and moved to a new position (Mills).  Hargrove is a talented player but perhaps not in a scheme that best fits his skill set - perhaps that money would have been better spent on LB?  Such a long list of roster mismanagement since that 2017 season it is ridiculous.  

You're absolutely right. This team hit on every move in 2017 and that was unsustainable. 

I mean look at those moves, how many have moved on and played at that high level since 2017? I'd suggest none of them. 

Howie seems to think he's the smartest man in the room. This isn't something that we fans have made up this is something I hear a lot. I think the Reagor pick shows that? I mean hey I was team Reagor but most analysts thought the smart move there was Jefferson. Now look it is way too early to say Jefferson is going to be the better player. I love the potential of Reagor and both can go on to be top NFL Players. But when you're drafting is already criticised and you then make a move like this? And it plays out early on like it has then you are going to face questions. 

19 minutes ago, wyote said:

Again, everyone forgets the gamble that the team has made over the past 3 years -- just trying to squeeze one more good year out of the vets so that they don't waste Carson Wentz's prime rebuilding. 

The gamble was wrong though. The gamble was to try and maximise an ageing roster sure and hey it didn't pay off. But they acknowledged that during the last off season and then what did they do? Oh yeah that's right they brought back Peters. They restructured Cox. They brought in Slay who is nearly 30. They brought in NRC. They kept Jeffrey and they relied heavily on DeSean staying healthy. So they didn't actually go about addressing their issues. They drafted a back up QB in the second round. They drafted a developmental LB in the third when they needed someone at the position to contribute. Bone headed move after bone headed move. 

2 hours ago, wyote said:

Again, everyone forgets the gamble that the team has made over the past 3 years -- just trying to squeeze one more good year out of the vets so that they don't waste Carson Wentz's prime rebuilding. 

It's not that the front office is filled with chuckleheads who don't even know as much about the roster as a drunken froth-mouthed TATEr. It was an understandable gamble, and while the cascades of tears here would lead you to believe that they've been nothing but awful, it's worth thinking about the fact that they won 18 games, a division title, and a playoff game with it. And they might still win the division this year, even though the injuries finally caught up with them and Wentz is having a bad year.  

NFL football is hard, boys. Half your seasons are going to be losing seasons. You take your chances, you take your hits, you celebrate your luck when it works out, but you know going in that it's usually not going to, and when it doesn't, you take it with your head held high like a goddamn man. 

There's so much wrong here, it begs the poster fact check himself and reevaluate his position on all of it. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Howie seems to think he's the smartest man in the room. 

The gamble was wrong though. The gamble was to try and maximise an ageing roster sure and hey it didn't pay off. But they acknowledged that during the last off season and then what did they do? Oh yeah that's right they brought back Peters. They restructured Cox. They brought in Slay who is nearly 30. They brought in NRC. They kept Jeffrey and they relied heavily on DeSean staying healthy. So they didn't actually go about addressing their issues. They drafted a back up QB in the second round. They drafted a developmental LB in the third when they needed someone at the position to contribute. Bone headed move after bone headed move. 

I mean you're clearly the smartest man in the room, not Howie. You see all of this perfectly, but he's just a complete dope who doesn't even know as much as an ordinary fan like you. 

Send your resume to Lurie, man. Maybe a record of your recommendations here on TATE if that's all you've got. When he sees how much better you are at this than Howie, you'll get that job.