Arm strength can be worked on over time. I mean for cripes sake when Tom Brady was drafted he had the following negatives ;

- Lacks a really strong arm

- Can't drive the ball downfield

- Does not throw a tight spiral

- Could have problems if forced to throw the ball downfield

- Does not have the total package of skills to be an NFL QB

For the first few years of Tom Brady in the NFL people said he was a product of the system and did not have an NFL arm. He built that up over time. Not saying that he is Tom Brady or could ever be Tom Brady. Just saying that a QB just starting out is never a finished product and can be worked on over time. It all depends on how much that QB wants to learn and adjust, how good/willing the coaching team is to coach the kid and how much time the front office is willing to give him.

I think Hurts is a leader and is willing to learn. Whether this coaching staff can teach him or the front office has the patience is a whole different story.

20 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Arm strength can be worked on over time. I mean for cripes sake when Tom Brady was drafted he had the following negatives ;

- Lacks a really strong arm

- Can't drive the ball downfield

- Does not throw a tight spiral

- Could have problems if forced to throw the ball downfield

- Does not have the total package of skills to be an NFL QB

For the first few years of Tom Brady in the NFL people said he was a product of the system and did not have an NFL arm. He built that up over time. Not saying that he is Tom Brady or could ever be Tom Brady. Just saying that a QB just starting out is never a finished product and can be worked on over time. It all depends on how much that QB wants to learn and adjust, how good/willing the coaching team is to coach the kid and how much time the front office is willing to give him.

I think Hurts is a leader and is willing to learn. Whether this coaching staff can teach him or the front office has the patience is a whole different story.

Same for Drew Brees but those 2 were extremely accurate . He has a lot to overcome when you have a not so strong arm and accuracy issues. 

It can be done but, like I said those 2 combine is a lot to overcome 

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Same for Drew Brees but those 2 were extremely accurate . He has a lot to overcome when you have a not so strong arm and accuracy issues. 

It can be done but, like I said those 2 combine is a lot to overcome 

Maybe. Just saying that you never know and patience, while hard, is something that has to happen when we are talking about Hurts.

39 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Maybe. Just saying that you never know and patience, while hard, is something that has to happen when we are talking about Hurts.

And the same will be true of the next QB that comes in if they are a young rookie. Patience is absolutely key. 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

We've seen him under throw deep plenty this season.

There is more to arm strength than how far he can throw a ball.

Fine, let‘s agree then that his arm is strong enough to make all the throws in the world in terms of pure strength.

I would also agree that the usage of said arm on deep throws can be improved quite a bit.

8 hours ago, rrfierce said:

Neither is watson or cam newton

I didn't know Watson did it also but I've always thought Newton was an arsehole for doing it.

As I recall, Hurts went into the endzone untouched and he flashes superman?  And what about the Olinemen, and the play caller, should they flash the superman BS also??

3 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

I didn't know Watson did it also but I've always thought Newton was an arsehole for doing it.

As I recall, Hurts went into the endzone untouched and he flashes superman?  And what about the Olinemen, and the play caller, should they flash the superman BS also??

How does that take away anything?

I bet you are the life of parties.. 😆

On 10/11/2021 at 5:39 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And I think if Hurts can be good enough to make this team competitive (not contenders) then that's enough. If he can be good enough to allow this roster to be rebuilt around him. 

Basically he needs to be good enough to mean we don't go for a QB in next year's draft. 

I wouldn't mind seeing a day 3 running QB backup drafted, instead of Flacco andor Minshew.  I don't know where they're going to fall in the draft,  but Willis from Liberty,  Ridder from Cincy,  King from Miami.   Not the expensive ones who are expected to start but a day 3 backup with a lot of size, speed, sparq.   Like Tyree Jackson.   Florida has a tall heavy and fast QB, Anthony Richardson, but he's still a FR, also Emory Jones.  Brian Williams should know both of them, as well as D'Eriq King.  

3 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I wouldn't mind seeing a day 3 running QB backup drafted, instead of Flacco andor Minshew.

But... If you draft a running back up QB then you are sort of saying that going forwards your starter is going to be a running QB? I know it isn't quite that simple but logically you'd want your back up to have a similar style to your starter? And yes I know our current set up is not that way.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But... If you draft a running back up QB then you are sort of saying that going forwards your starter is going to be a running QB? I know it isn't quite that simple but logically you'd want your back up to have a similar style to your starter? And yes I know our current set up is not that way.

I think it is. Minshew can take over this offense for a while. The one that doesn‘t fit in is Flacco, whom we should never have signed in the first place.

3 hours ago, Infam said:

I think it is. Minshew can take over this offense for a while. The one that doesn‘t fit in is Flacco, whom we should never have signed in the first place.

Yeah I agree with you there which is what I was referring to. The offense would have to change a lot for Flacco to come in. Well actually I'm not sure with this offense right now it would so I take that back. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But... If you draft a running back up QB then you are sort of saying that going forwards your starter is going to be a running QB? I know it isn't quite that simple but logically you'd want your back up to have a similar style to your starter? And yes I know our current set up is not that way.

Yes 100% go with Hurts until the end of his contract in 2023, build around him,  add other QBs to the roster who can do what Hurts can do.  Hurts can go after 2023.  The replacement, who is on the bench, or is used as a SuperWeapon, can take over when Hurts goes.  These day 2 or 3 QBs would be cheap and replaceable in a run first offense with running QBs.  With a great runner like Hurts,  this would work.  Tyree Jackson and Greg Ward Jr are both available to be backup QBs in addition to TE and WR.  SuperWeapons.  Keep adding those guys every year. 

18 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I didn't know Watson did it also but I've always thought Newton was an arsehole for doing it.

As I recall, Hurts went into the endzone untouched and he flashes superman?  And what about the Olinemen, and the play caller, should they flash the superman BS also??

While I agree the whole thing is stupid along with virtually every other single play celebration out there, I think what we saw was just a simple tribute to Cam Newton at Carolina. Don't get your panties in a bunch unless he starts making a habit of it (which I doubt).

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

While I agree the whole thing is stupid along with virtually every other single play celebration out there, I think what we saw was just a simple tribute to Cam Newton at Carolina. Don't get your panties in a bunch unless he starts making a habit of it (which I doubt).

OK, I can get with that, that's nice if that's what it was about, anything else......

On 10/12/2021 at 10:06 AM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Same for Drew Brees but those 2 were extremely accurate . He has a lot to overcome when you have a not so strong arm and accuracy issues. 

It can be done but, like I said those 2 combine is a lot to overcome 

I’d rather see him work mostly on his accuracy. I think he’s closer than some think, but in a way all of this throwing could help him in the long haul I do wonder if it’s possible by the mid or late part of the season he could get a tired arm from all of this overwork. 

Hurts in well on his way to smashing the Eagles single season passing record.

His 16 game pace is 4,368.

17 game total is projected to be north of 4,600.

His limitations are clear and I don't think he is the kind of QB you can win a SB with, but he is a lot better than I thought he was going to be on draft night.

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’d rather see him work mostly on his accuracy. I think he’s closer than some think, but in a way all of this throwing could help him in the long haul I do wonder if it’s possible by the mid or late part of the season he could get a tired arm from all of this overwork. 

After seeing that Lurie BS and him basically calling the run game a joke and it isnt needed i dont  have much hope for any QB 

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

After seeing that Lurie BS and him basically calling the run game a joke and it isnt needed i dont  have much hope for any QB 

It is just so unrealistic for any QB to be expected to succeed without a run game. The run game doesn't have to be dominant and it doesn't have to be a 60/40 split but a QB needs a run game. Every single QB needs that. I don't understand why Lurie thinks he knows better than everyone else just because they won 1 SB... And they did so with a pretty good, reliable run game. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It is just so unrealistic for any QB to be expected to succeed without a run game. The run game doesn't have to be dominant and it doesn't have to be a 60/40 split but a QB needs a run game. Every single QB needs that. I don't understand why Lurie thinks he knows better than everyone else just because they won 1 SB... And they did so with a pretty good, reliable run game. 

I agree. I wonder what portion of his throws are screens specifically. Several of those passes last week were super short screens, which were almost pitches and clearly extensions of run game. Those are tilting the numbers a little

47 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree. I wonder what portion of his throws are screens specifically. Several of those passes last week were super short screens, which were almost pitches and clearly extensions of run game. Those are tilting the numbers a little

Yeah I mean for sure they are an extension of the run game... But because they are so predictable teams are easily able to shut it down a lot of the time. I think it's harder to stop the run especially when it is mixed in.

20 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I mean for sure they are an extension of the run game... But because they are so predictable teams are easily able to shut it down a lot of the time. I think it's harder to stop the run especially when it is mixed in.

I was bored, so I went back and watched the 1st half offense for passing.  8 were behind the line (5 that were just a side arm flip; very short; almost a pitch)   7 more within 5 yards.  6 downfield ( but only 2 beyond 10 yards and only on last drive).  2 throwaways.  At 2:35, he was only at 1.8 yards per attempt.  First pass beyond 10 yards (that wasn't a throwaway) was at :35 in 2Q.  19 passes within 10 yards of LOS and 15 within 5 yards of LOS.

I agree with your theory.  I suspect that our coach has the Andy Reid philosophy of screens are just extended pitches (which 5 of them really were) and he would argue that there should have been 8 more "carries" and 8 less "passes" than the stats say.  That changes the run/pass ratio in his mind.  I remember how frustrating it was with Andy, but his screens were also better designed and much more successful, so we overlooked it.

It's shocking how short and safe he/they were keeping his throws in the first half.  It's no wonder that his completion percentage is so high and turnovers so low. They didn't take any risk.

On 10/13/2021 at 4:33 AM, Random Reglar said:

I wouldn't mind seeing a day 3 running QB backup drafted, instead of Flacco andor Minshew.  I don't know where they're going to fall in the draft,  but Willis from Liberty,  Ridder from Cincy,  King from Miami.   Not the expensive ones who are expected to start but a day 3 backup with a lot of size, speed, sparq.   Like Tyree Jackson.   Florida has a tall heavy and fast QB, Anthony Richardson, but he's still a FR, also Emory Jones.  Brian Williams should know both of them, as well as D'Eriq King.  

Willis isn't making it to the 3rd Rd, and no NFL team is going to use Ridder as a running QB, a thin WR is one thing but there's no way you risk a small build lanky QB as a dual threat guy.

King isn't getting to the NFL as a QB, he's an inconsistent QB who doesn't run that much, HE MAY BE AS SHORT AS FIVE FEET EIGHT INCHES TALL FOR GODS SAKE and is done for the season, he's a black Tim Tebow, Emory Jones has a shot at being a UDFA camp arm.

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That changes the run/pass ratio in his mind. 

It certainly seems to be the case yes. But it's ridiculous because it isn't working. The screen game can be really effective if it is used properly but they are over doing it. Teams are reading it and stuffing it. They need to mix in the run to keep the defense honest. To keep the box somewhat loaded otherwise teams will have more players in coverage and will be able to stuff it very quickly. 

28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It certainly seems to be the case yes. But it's ridiculous because it isn't working. The screen game can be really effective if it is used properly but they are over doing it. Teams are reading it and stuffing it. They need to mix in the run to keep the defense honest. To keep the box somewhat loaded otherwise teams will have more players in coverage and will be able to stuff it very quickly. 

That's a scheme problem more than over usage, IMO.  Like I said earlier, when Reid did the same things (and still does), his play design allowed it to be continuously effective.  Steichen and Siri needs to figure that out, because you are 100% right that many of them were immediately stuffed.

Part of the problem with the screens is the lack of continuity on the O-line. Had we been able to keep everybody playing at one spot, the blocking would likely be more consistent. Still, the biggest factor is predictability. I'm guessing that since this whole scheme is new to the team that it's still a work in progress. I thought there were games where we tried to force "stretching the field" to open things up, but we just haven't been connecting enough to get defenses to react. Sirianni needs to keep adding elements to the offense every week and the players need to execute them effectively. If those two things don't happen, we will just see more of the same from opposing defenses.