41 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Not many qbs besides brady & rogers can show success with a shutdown run game.. 

Id love to see more quick passes and slants. I swear we never do them.

You don't like the wr screens? 😂😂

16 minutes ago, Heavywchamp said:

You don't like the wr screens? 😂😂

It’s time to pretty much stop everything RPO related.

Despite what Swoop is saying the majority of every team that threw over 30 passes today loss. More than double the teams that threw more than ran today loss. This idea a quarterback has to throw the ball 40+ times a game to win is bull crap. Now would I like to see Hurts become more consistent? Sure, but I also like the fact he is making plays, moving the chains, protecting the football, and mostly winning football games. I don’t need to see Hurts chuck it 40-50 times a game and the truth of the matter is most of the time those teams don’t win.

I’ve been pessimistic on Hurts most of the year. But he’s showing something the last few games. He can absolutely be a dynamic player when our offense is running the ball effectively. At this point you can clearly win games with the guy, and if he develops a bit as a passer you have a potential long term starter. 
 

It’s hard to root against the guy at this point, he’s fun to watch and he’s all in on getting better. I get the concerns but you have to be encouraged from the last few weeks. After the raiders game I was basically out on him, probably prematurely. But now I’m truly impressed and excited to see what he can do rest of the way. 

59 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s time to pretty much stop everything RPO related.

RPO helped ice the game today....JJAW play

6 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

RPO helped ice the game today....JJAW play

He was so wide open. 😂🤣🤣 Was the run by Hurts RPO too? Either way it still irks me. Seems like way more negative than positive plays. 

48 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Despite what Swoop is saying the majority of every team that threw over 30 passes today loss. More than double the teams that threw more than ran today loss. This idea a quarterback has to throw the ball 40+ times a game to win is bull crap. Now would I like to see Hurts become more consistent? Sure, but I also like the fact he is making plays, moving the chains, protecting the football, and mostly winning football games. I don’t need to see Hurts chuck it 40-50 times a game and the truth of the matter is most of the time those teams don’t win.

There were 13 games played today. 7 of those 13 were won by a QB who threw the ball 30 times (Burrow and Baker 29. Sue me). Some of the loses by QBs that threw it 30 times were to other QBs who threw 30 times.

You said one QB did it. You were wrong. You are still wrong.  

No one said Hurts or any other QB needs to throw the ball 50 times. This is an arbitrary number that you pulled out of your ass to try and move the goal posts and exaggerate what those of us criticizing him are actually saying. 

What has been said a number of times is that he needs to be more consistent as a passer. He does. The team is winning the more we run, because he is throwing the ball less. Hence, he needs to be a more proficient and consistent passer.

That does not mean that I hate him or want to tank for a draft pick. That does not mean I don't understand he is an asset to our run game and can make plays with his legs. It does mean that he needs to be more consistent as a passer. Why? So that the Eagles are an even better team and so that we have a guy moving forward.

First 15 starts

266 / 453

58.7 percent

3,225 yards passing

29 total TD's - 18 passing and 11 rushing 

8 INT's and 3 lost fumbles

890 rushing yards

26 minutes ago, Swoop said:

There were 13 games played today. 7 of those 13 were won by a QB who threw the ball 30 times (Burrow and Baker 29. Sue me). Some of the loses by QBs that threw it 30 times were to other QBs who threw 30 times.

You said one QB did it. You were wrong. You are still wrong.  

No one said Hurts or any other QB needs to throw the ball 50 times. This is an arbitrary number that you pulled out of your ass to try and move the goal posts and exaggerate what those of us criticizing him are actually saying. 

What has been said a number of times is that he needs to be more consistent as a passer. He does. The team is winning the more we run, because he is throwing the ball less. Hence, he needs to be a more proficient and consistent passer.

That does not mean that I hate him or want to tank for a draft pick. That does not mean I don't understand he is an asset to our run game and can make plays with his legs. It does mean that he needs to be more consistent as a passer. Why? So that the Eagles are an even better team and so that we have a guy moving forward.

You’re saying I’m wrong when you’re padding your stats with BS. 😂🤣😂 Who should be the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles right now?

Defenses in today's NFL are mostly built to counter passing offenses. That gives a run-heavy offense a bit of an advantage in most matchups. I'm fine with doing whatever it takes to win games now. We should strive to find balance offensively, though. With the way we are running, we should really see opportunities opening up in the passing game. If we can get that on track too, it will only help the run continue to be efficient. 

There's no reason to be too negative right now. This team just ran down the throats of 2 of the NFL's better defenses. They are gaining a lot of confidence. We already have more wins than we had last year (when we averaged 37.4 pass attempts per game + a little over 4 sacks allowed per game). 

No question that soon some team is going to mush rush and keep Hurts in the pocket.  Then they are going to roll the coverage to Hurt’s right to force him to throw left and to be accurate as well.  There’s enough tape out there now of his running that you have to make him pass.  Good job Jalen.  He is forcing teams to change their game plan.

4 minutes ago, Miami said:

No question that soon some team is going to mush rush and keep Hurts in the pocket.  Then they are going to roll the coverage to Hurt’s right to force him to throw left and to be accurate as well.  There’s enough tape out there now of his running that you have to make him pass.  Good job Jalen.  He is forcing teams to change their game plan.

Yep. It’s only a matter of time until he starts consistently seeing 8 man boxes (if not already). 
 

This league exposes weakness and we’ll find out about him soon enough. For now, I’m just trying to enjoy this ride.

4 minutes ago, Miami said:

No question that soon some team is going to mush rush and keep Hurts in the pocket.  Then they are going to roll the coverage to Hurt’s right to force him to throw left and to be accurate as well.  There’s enough tape out there now of his running that you have to make him pass.  Good job Jalen.  He is forcing teams to change their game plan.

Even if you take away Hurts running they still have to stop the regular runs which have been murdering teams as well. Teams basically have 4 runners to worry about now.

I'm confident enough in Hurts as of right now ( it could change) that he can throw good enough to still get wins as long as it doesn't go back to the way it was before. 

I know Hurts is the worst quarterback in the history of football and all, but I just thought I’d point out he’s averaging 265 total yards and two touchdowns a game. Carry on.

I'm not going to beat up on Hurts today.  He's an exciting player to watch and was a major part of putting points up today.  There are clearly some things to work on to make him more well rounded, but we have several games to go this year to see evolution.

From a team standpoint, I just don't believe that it is a sustainable offensive philosophy to have him run around so much. That last TD run was incredible, but he is one trailing DE away from being broken in half on that cutback.  Siri has some work to do, as well.

 

 

9 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

At this stage of his development, he needs to run to be effective. His ability to create with his legs and the threat of it on any given play is what makes him special and separates him from say the bottom third QBs in the league (generally the guys we have been playing in recent weeks and will continue to do so the rest of the way given the schedule). That last ankle breaking TD run was just sick. The entire offence is based around Hurts running - and this includes many of our run play designs. Hurts makes the rushing attack far more successful than it would be without it. Reminds me of Vick in the Chip system - just opens up running lanes.

I am not sure his passing game is at level that is developed up enough yet for him to be able to dial down the run and still be effective. The first half last week was the best he has looked as a passer but its not consistent enough yet. We didn't need to pass much today so don't want too read too much into it but he missed a couple of key throws - reading the defence, ball placement, repetitive accuracy and decision making are still areas for him to work on.

I am pretty confident that Hurts can consistently beat teams with average/bad QBs. Where I don't think he is at yes is being able to match up with a high powered passing attack in a shoot-out. But the guy is young and improving. Lets see - we all had similar doubts about Lamar and Josh Allen at one point, and those guys managed to make quantum leaps with their passing games now vs when they entered the league. 

 

I had no doubts about a great running QB who runs a lot winning a lot.

Lamar's passing is getting better.  But the Ravens aren't winning more.  Lamar ran most often in his first year,  and had a 6-1 record.  His passer rating was fairly low.   The next year the record improved to 13-2 as did the passer rating.  The next 2 years there were a few extra losses.  Lamar is 6-3 this year as opposed to 6-1 in 2018.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I know Hurts is the worst quarterback in the history of football and all, but I just thought I’d point out he’s averaging 265 total yards and two touchdowns a game. Carry on.

as of this point, the Eagles are #8 in points per game.

Brady
Allen
Prescott
Murray
Wentz
Mac Jones
Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Burrow
Tannehill

6 hours ago, Thrive said:

Yep. It’s only a matter of time until he starts consistently seeing 8 man boxes (if not already). 
 

This league exposes weakness and we’ll find out about him soon enough. For now, I’m just trying to enjoy this ride.

this 8 man box, does it have magic properties, allowing it to beat 10 blockers and 1 runner?   I'm of the opinion that people talk as if these 8 man boxes have some magic property, which automatically make rushing impossible and passing necessary, but easy.    You don't need any wide receivers at all or to throw at all, really.    If you do like throwing,  you don't need short, quick, fast WRs who require superior speed and quickness and route running ability to get open, a requirement for catching the ball.  You can throw short passes to tall and heavy people aren't going to run for 80 yard tds but win size matchups.   They don't have many dbs who can cover Tyree Jackson or Mailata. 

Most teams have seemed to enter into some sort of agreement.  The offense agrees that they'll put players on the field that they're physically able to defend.    It would be pretty easy to figure out what to do if half of their defense is 5'11 200 pound dbs.   You can pound them into the ground with vastly superior size.   Usually that means running,  but it can work with passing as well. 

As an aside the Eagles offense could score enough points in the playoffs to win games.   I mentioned the versatile weapons the Eagles have and haven't done a whole lot with.  Tyree Jackson and Mailata.  Tyree Jackson is typically doing the one thing that he's never done probably before this year,  which is blocking.  He's always been a QB.  So,  he's probably only going to get better at that.  Throwing and running is what he did all through high school and college.   Route running is new,  but he understands it from a QB perspective.  QBs who take mostly shotgun snaps are catching the ball more than anyone else on the field, they have to have good hands.  Tyree Jackson can run catch block and throw,  he's very tall, very fast, with a massive arm.   Being 6'7 and only 249 pounds probably isn't the best pound per inch for a TE for run blocking.  His TE pass blocking would likely be ok,  a rangy LT type, and WR run blocking,  he'd be better than a WR at that.  But I'd have to think that if you want the top of the line run blocking from the TE position,  that's what you use a 6th OL for. 

Like Mailata.    I've heard the Mailata must stay LT at all times argument.  And him next to Landon seems to be working very well, especially in the run game.  And maybe you get your best run blocking punch out of Mailata if he's LT.  Maybe.   But I can't help but think that there's a fairly decent chance that "wow, I guess they can't stop him" happens if they have Mailata do the rugby stuff on occasion.  Like,  the playoffs,  when it's needed. 

So, in the playoffs,  everything normal,  are the Eagles winning, scoring enough points?  continue as normal.  If no,  the Eagles have 2 advanced, versatile weapons to use.  Mailata + Tyree Jackson, speed option.  Mailata, perhaps somewhat easy to slow, perhaps quite difficult to stop forward progress.  The other team is probably going to need a number of players to stop him.   6'8 Mailata laterals to 6'7 Jackson.  Everyone is trying to tackle Mailata.  Do these need to be plays that you repeat over and over again until they figure out a way to stop them?   No.  you just need to score more points than the other team every single game.

I watched all the Ravens playoff games with Lamar.  Typically what has been happening is that the Ravens would run a ton in the regular season, almost never lose, then get to the playoffs,  Lamar generally seemed a little bit jittery, and the Ravens would typically switch to a passing offense.  And they've won 1 playoff game and lost 3.    I would always suggest - add new run wrinkle.   Something new that they haven't prepared for.  But they never did that.    In the only playoff win,  Lamar ran for a 49 or 50 yard TD.    At this pace,  Jalen is going to have one of the all time high rushing yardage seasons for a QB.   Lamar was over 1200,   Vick was 1039.   Hurts is on pace for 955.   The Eagles can put a lot of potent running weapons on the field at the same time.  With these never before seen superweapons, the Eagles can win playoff games if they can get there.  If average Americans remember the Eagles Super Bowl win,   it's Philly Special that they remember. 

 

If they start to throw 8 people in the box consistently, Smith will win the ORoY award.

31 minutes ago, Infam said:

If they start to throw 8 people in the box consistently, Smith will win the ORoY award.

Hard to argue that. He's that damn good. I mean he's not going to win ORoY at this point because Mac Jones has been superb and Chase is way ahead of him. But yeah I agree if he had a full year where teams were stacking the box to stop our run he’d be up there with him. 

13 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

At this stage of his development, he needs to run to be effective. His ability to create with his legs and the threat of it on any given play is what makes him special and separates him from say the bottom third QBs in the league (generally the guys we have been playing in recent weeks and will continue to do so the rest of the way given the schedule). That last ankle breaking TD run was just sick. The entire offence is based around Hurts running - and this includes many of our run play designs. Hurts makes the rushing attack far more successful than it would be without it. Reminds me of Vick in the Chip system - just opens up running lanes.

I am not sure his passing game is at level that is developed up enough yet for him to be able to dial down the run and still be effective. The first half last week was the best he has looked as a passer but its not consistent enough yet. We didn't need to pass much today so don't want too read too much into it but he missed a couple of key throws - reading the defence, ball placement, repetitive accuracy and decision making are still areas for him to work on.

I am pretty confident that Hurts can consistently beat teams with average/bad QBs. Where I don't think he is at yes is being able to match up with a high powered passing attack in a shoot-out. But the guy is young and improving. Lets see - we all had similar doubts about Lamar and Josh Allen at one point, and those guys managed to make quantum leaps with their passing games now vs when they entered the league. 

He had 18 carries, which lead even the RB's. I don't mind him running, but he shouldn't have that many attempts, nor should he be consistently leading in attempts when you have guys like Sanders and Howard.   

 

For all the people saying Jalen Hurts should be judged only on his stats yesterday, I would counter with the following points.

1. The Saints have the best run defense in the league. The fact that we were able to run on them is indicative that Hurts elevates our run game. This also indicates that we will be able to run the ball against anyone. We have climbed to the top of Mt. Everest. There's no higher mountain to climb.

2. The Saints are set up to stop our passing game, which is focused on two players. Lattimore on Smith and Jenkins on Goedert is a plus matchup for the Saints. Watkins is a nice find for a sixth-round draft pick, but he isn't a top-tier wr by any stretch of the imagination. Look at the Saints-Bucs game. I didn't watch the tape, but Gronk, Brate and Howard combined for 16 yards. Evans had two catches. Godwin did all of the damage in that game, and I imagine he was against the rookie. Watkins and Reagor don't consistently get open, so it makes it hard for Hurts to get them the ball.

3. The coaching staff is learning on the fly. They are still figuring out what works and what doesn't. The play to JJAW is a great example. Why aren't we doing that more? There were a few times where Hurts had oodles of time to throw, but no one was open. I have to watch the coaches film, but my gut feeling is that we have timing routes called that are useless when the other team drops eight into coverage. The offense is still young, and everyone needs to get on the same page when that happens. Should Hurts throw a pass there just to throw it?

4. The single most important attribute of a qb is playing winning football. In Tom Brady's first Super Bowl win, he threw for 145 yards. Does that mean he is a terrible qb? He threw for 236 yards against us in the first Super Bowl against him. Does that mean he isn't a franchise qb? Yesterday, we let the Saints back in the game, and while I don't participate in the gameday thread, I am sure there was plenty of doom and gloom in there in the fourth quarter. But Hurts won the game. He made the throw he needed to make, and scored on a highlight-reel run. That's winning football. Against the Chargers, he put us in position to win. Football is a team sport, but at the end of the day, you have to have a qb he can play under pressure. We can talk all we want about what Hurts lacks, but his most important attribute may be playing well under pressure.

Hurts was OK throwing the ball yesterday. Missed a few, but also had a couple of drops. It wasn’t his best day as a passer, but he wasn’t erratic like he had been earlier in the season. Kid is at least showing progress, and the things he can do with the running game are rare to find. 
 

Still need to see more consistency through the air, but in my mind he’s close to securing his position for at least one more season. It’s a weak QB class and I’d rather not blow multiple first rounders on an old Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. 

35 minutes ago, nipples said:

Hurts was OK throwing the ball yesterday. Missed a few, but also had a couple of drops. It wasn’t his best day as a passer, but he wasn’t erratic like he had been earlier in the season. Kid is at least showing progress, and the things he can do with the running game are rare to find. 
 

Still need to see more consistency through the air, but in my mind he’s close to securing his position for at least one more season. It’s a weak QB class and I’d rather not blow multiple first rounders on an old Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. 

This.  Hurts is improving every week and the team clearly sees him as it's focal point.  I'm not suggesting he's Lamar Jackson but this kid is showing he can play.  If he continues to trend up, the Eagles will be able to use their transformational 2022 draft class on positions other than QB, seriously improving the roster.