1 hour ago, nipples said:

Hurts was OK throwing the ball yesterday. Missed a few, but also had a couple of drops. It wasn’t his best day as a passer, but he wasn’t erratic like he had been earlier in the season. Kid is at least showing progress, and the things he can do with the running game are rare to find. 
 

Still need to see more consistency through the air, but in my mind he’s close to securing his position for at least one more season. It’s a weak QB class and I’d rather not blow multiple first rounders on an old Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. 

Agreed. I’m moving on from what I expected from him and just enjoying what he is doing.

It is also encouraging to keep in mind that he is truly still young at the position and folks that know the game believe he is making great strides as a passer. So long as he keeps improving (and winning), think it makes sense to let him ride this thing out.

Fascinating turn of events indeed.

I’ll add to this: agree or disagree with his decision but I’m convinced that this was the kind of offense Kyle Shannahan envisioned when he drafted Lance over Mac Jones. And to be fair, when it is working, it is devastating. 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

Hurts was OK throwing the ball yesterday. Missed a few, but also had a couple of drops. It wasn’t his best day as a passer, but he wasn’t erratic like he had been earlier in the season. Kid is at least showing progress, and the things he can do with the running game are rare to find. 
 

Still need to see more consistency through the air, but in my mind he’s close to securing his position for at least one more season. It’s a weak QB class and I’d rather not blow multiple first rounders on an old Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. 

 

34 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

This.  Hurts is improving every week and the team clearly sees him as it's focal point.  I'm not suggesting he's Lamar Jackson but this kid is showing he can play.  If he continues to trend up, the Eagles will be able to use their transformational 2022 draft class on positions other than QB, seriously improving the roster.  

I agree with this. I think Hurts is close to earning another year. I think he could definitely do with another veteran weapon at WR, but the team looks good with him at QB.

I’d still be looking to pick up some extra ammunition for 2022 draft in case we need a QB then, but I really hope they focus on adding some desperately needed young talent on the D and finding Hurts some help in free agency.

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

This.  Hurts is improving every week and the team clearly sees him as it's focal point.  I'm not suggesting he's Lamar Jackson but this kid is showing he can play.  If he continues to trend up, the Eagles will be able to use their transformational 2022 draft class on positions other than QB, seriously improving the roster.  

Lamar Jackson isn’t good enough.  So Hurts isn’t as good as someone who isn’t good enough.

7 hours ago, MF POON said:

He had 18 carries, which lead even the RB's. I don't mind him running, but he shouldn't have that many attempts, nor should he be consistently leading in attempts when you have guys like Sanders and Howard.   

 

If the Eagles used only 1 running back over and over,  that running back would have led the Eagles in carries.

The Running Backs, combined,  had 32 carries.   Hurts had 18,  and the 2 at the end of the game were kneel downs,  so there was really 16.   Basically,  twice as many running back runs as quarterback runs.

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Lamar Jackson isn’t good enough.  So Hurts isn’t as good as someone who isn’t good enough.

Both Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts are good enough.

The Defense isn't good enough.

The average quarterback who is drafted in the first round isn't good enough.

The average set of football players,  the average team,  is not good enough 31 times out of 32.

Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts are not the problems.

Basically,  nobody in the NFL is really good enough.  Except Tom Brady.

So,  what do you do?   The only QB that's really good enough is Tom Brady.  The QB you have is not good enough, and you know that whoever you replace him with is not good enough either.   Fold the team?  You make do with a QB who is below Tom Brady in quality,  a QB who hasn't won 4 of the last 7 Super Bowls.

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Lamar Jackson isn’t good enough.  So Hurts isn’t as good as someone who isn’t good enough.

Isn't good enough for what?

Hurts isn't yet the player he should become, but he's a pretty darn good leader out there. His teammates believe in him and are behind him. Football will always be a team sport. Implying Hurts isn't good enough to be on a Super Bowl winning team is dumb.

Is it me or does Hurts looks faster than Lamar now, maybe not Lamar from two years ago.....but we have a window of opportunity here for a year or two......we can load up next season with some good talent with all those picks hopefully and make something happen. Also look at Wentz lately, he has everything around him.....he hardly has to do much lol

17 minutes ago, Doyoubelieve#20 said:

Is it me or does Hurts looks faster than Lamar now, maybe not Lamar from two years ago.....but we have a window of opportunity here for a year or two......we can load up next season with some good talent with all those picks hopefully and make something happen. Also look at Wentz lately, he has everything around him.....he hardly has to do much lol

It’s you.

I think Hurts is a great runner,  but needs to keep working on that passing game. Do I think he runs too much? Yes...BUT...I like winning, so....

31 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

I think Hurts is a great runner,  but needs to keep working on that passing game. Do I think he runs too much? Yes...BUT...I like winning, so....

That seems to me like the logically conclusion here: I like winning too…

 

 

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

That would really be cool, because they could spend those 1st round picks on something other than the Rotating Floor QB Factory. 

15 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

If the Eagles used only 1 running back over and over,  that running back would have led the Eagles in carries.

The Running Backs, combined,  had 32 carries.   Hurts had 18,  and the 2 at the end of the game were kneel downs,  so there was really 16.   Basically,  twice as many running back runs as quarterback runs.

I don't care about the combined attempts, Hurts still lead when you factor in attempts per player.  Give Howard and Sanders more carries

3 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I don't care about the combined attempts, Hurts still lead when you factor in attempts per player.  Give Howard and Sanders more carries

That‘s not how it works. For our run game to be that dominant you have to make them fear these QB runs. That‘s how we ran all over the Saints twice while all the other teams completely failed doing that.

12 hours ago, Talonblood said:

I think Hurts is a great runner,  but needs to keep working on that passing game. Do I think he runs too much? Yes...BUT...I like winning, so....

Hurts is going to become a better passer the more time he gets, but also as the talent around him improves as well. Heck Trevor Lawrence is out there looking like hot doo do right now, because he’s a rookie and he’s on a bad football team. The more time Hurts gets to play the less he will rely on his legs, but that doesn’t mean his legs will suddenly disappear and he will just become an even better weapon than he already is. Truth of the matter is young quarterbacks tend to struggle especially one who has had to be put in two different systems in less than two years. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Truth of the matter is young quarterbacks tend to struggle especially one who has had to be put in two different systems in less than two years. 

Try at least four different systems in four years..

Put aside other arguments and evaluations of Hurts for a moment.  One aspect I'm enjoying about Hurts is that it's FUN to watch him make plays.  I'm rooting for the guy and enjoying seeing effort on the field.  I appreciate that he has very solid work ethic and there's no question he will put the work in and take it serious...but then he can go out there and make great plays and have fun doing it.  He's a guy that makes it easy to root for him to succeed.  

7 minutes ago, Infam said:

Try at least four different systems in four years..

I didn’t want to add the college stuff to the argument, but yes. The kid has gone through a lot of change in a small amount of time. Give this coach/quarterback combo time to grow together.

44 minutes ago, Infam said:

Try at least four different systems in four years..

The problem though is that it isn't the system that makes him get happy feet, fail to read the field for multiple reads and spin in circles in a clean pocket. That's all between the ears. These things need to get cleaned up. Maybe they will with time.

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

The problem though is that it isn't the system that makes him get happy feet, fail to read the field for multiple reads and spin in circles in a clean pocket. That's all between the ears. These things need to get cleaned up. Maybe they will with time.

You do beat a dead horse. The comparison with the "between the ears" part of what Hurts has shown is where the comparison with running QBs breaks down. For quite of few of the running QBs that were naturally superior athletes, Vick, Cunningham, Newton, the head part of why they aren't successful is because they are not coachable. They are not coachable. Every play is subject to become their play and Wentz suffered from this as well as an Eagle. Too much ego at the position. Then you have running QBs who use their ability to scramble but pretty much play the system that the coach has designed, Young, Stauback, Rodgers, etc. The issue with a gifted runner at QB is if they will execute the called play the majority of the time or do they hang on to the ball because "their play" is always the backup play. Hurts should be evaluated on his efficiency to execute an offense. His ability to go deep into his reads is still in question but scrambling is not by default a bad quality as long as it is not hero ball. A few weeks ago the opinion was that he couldn't throw to the left side of the field. Now he has shown that he can. He is also clearly getting better at reading defenses. He is a work in progress and if you watch a lot of games, he is playing better than at least half the QBs in the league. He looks to be learning and improving. Can you say that about Reagor or Sanders? I don't think so and if he were presenting as a blockhead like those two it would be visible

 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts is going to become a better passer the more time he gets, but also as the talent around him improves as well. Heck Trevor Lawrence is out there looking like hot doo do right now, because he’s a rookie and he’s on a bad football team. The more time Hurts gets to play the less he will rely on his legs, but that doesn’t mean his legs will suddenly disappear and he will just become an even better weapon than he already is. Truth of the matter is young quarterbacks tend to struggle especially one who has had to be put in two different systems in less than two years. 

You know, I believe he will get better with his passing game. He works too hard for it NOT to happen. He is a real leader- a hard to find quality. Players around him follow his lead willingly. He isn't arrogant, but has a strong confidence. He is strong mentally...mental toughness is crucial, and he has it in spades. I am 100% behind this guy right now. If he proves me wrong, that's on him, but I see him becoming a top notch, champion QB. And when he stuck his foot in the ground Sunday, and embarrassed the entire #1 NFL defense (especially poster boy #96), I threw my support 100% behind him, my doubts be damned. An Allen Iverson crossover on an NFL field? Are you kiddin me!?

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

You do beat a dead horse. The comparison with the "between the ears" part of what Hurts has shown is where the comparison with running QBs breaks down. For quite of few of the running QBs that were naturally superior athletes, Vick, Cunningham, Newton, the head part of why they aren't successful is because they are not coachable. They are not coachable. Every play is subject to become their play and Wentz suffered from this as well as an Eagle. Too much ego at the position. Then you have running QBs who use their ability to scramble but pretty much play the system that the coach has designed, Young, Stauback, Rodgers, etc. The issue with a gifted runner at QB is if they will execute the called play the majority of the time or do they hang on to the ball because "their play" is always the backup play. Hurts should be evaluated on his efficiency to execute an offense. His ability to go deep into his reads is still in question but scrambling is not by default a bad quality as long as it is not hero ball. A few weeks ago the opinion was that he couldn't throw to the left side of the field. Now he has shown that he can. He is also clearly getting better at reading defenses. He is a work in progress and if you watch a lot of games, he is playing better than at least half the QBs in the league. He looks to be learning and improving. Can you say that about Reagor or Sanders? I don't think so and if he were presenting as a blockhead like those two it would be visible

 

Strike a nerve? 

I'm just saying that the system itself isn't the biggest issue. Scrambling in it of itself isn't bad, but scrambling is bad when he has a perfectly clean pocket and spins in circles and holds the ball. Sometimes it works, other times he does it and holds the ball and misses a wide open Sanders for a walk in TD.

His ability to go through his progressions has been an issue since college. We're now towards the end of his second season in the NFL and he's still struggling. That's not encouraging. 

The irony is that I would love for Hurts to become an amazing passer to go along with his ability to buy time. People (stupidly) think I'd rather waste time hoping the next guy is the answer. No, I'd rather the answer be in house, but he needs to show it. At the very least, he bought himself next season, but he needs to become a more consistent and reliable passer. 

I beat a dead horse because people are legitimately arguing his passing is fine, he's indestructible and that his running ability is the best in football. Someone just today said his third TD was the best move he's ever seen an NFL player do. 

Come on now.

 

18 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I beat a dead horse because people are legitimately arguing his passing is fine, he's indestructible and that his running ability is the best in football. Someone just today said his third TD was the best move he's ever seen an NFL player do. 

Come on now.

His passing is fine, he‘s indestructible and his running ability is the best in football.

44 minutes ago, Infam said:

His passing is fine, he‘s indestructible and his running ability is the best in football.

Yo, gimme my sarcasm back.... 😄