22 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Yeah that particular part of the comment wasn’t aimed as you. 
 

Hurts is still developing and he may not make it, but the people calling for his head because he had a qb rating of 17.5 against the Giants are ignoring that he had the highest QBR in the league over the last five weeks or that his PFF rating after the Giants game is still 80 for the season, which is better than "proper QBs” like Wentz and Wilson.

Yes but he was also throwing a lot less the last 5 weeks.  This game they needed him to pass more and he fell apart. 

Wentz has nothing to do with this at all. Yes I'm sure some still prefer Wentz but, most of the people that have problems with Hurts isn't because they want Wentz back. 

54 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

He was maybe open for the first down, but there was a safety over the top

False

 

 

Hurts is a 15 to 20 pass a game QB. It works because our run game masks it well and he can make enough plays when he isn't the focal point.

 

As for Wentz, the Colts are having the same problem with him. Jordan Taylor has been their JoHo. Such a copycat league.

Done with him at this point, we will have to draft one.

Just for some context, Lamar Jackson also threw 3 INTs yesterday. But he had a better team so they still won.

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The problem with a team full of young players is that they are all developing --- and at different rates. 

That’s why they need to get a veteran receiver in here. No more Howie draft choices.

8 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Just for some context, Lamar Jackson also threw 3 INTs yesterday. But he had a better team so they still won.

Lamar Jackson has also been largely criticized for his inability to pass, particularly in the playoffs against top competition. He has also been on a steady decline for 3 straight seasons in literally every statistical way when it comes to throwing the football.

Yet he still has an MVP and a 37-10 record. Of course the team helps, but it just goes to show that as bad as his decline is, he's still infinitely better than Hurts.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Does it matter, we screwed the pooch by winning some games, and the Dolphins and Colts have won enough to push those picks out of the top 10.

I mean yeah that's one way of looking at it. But hey it's still 3 first round picks. 

People debate "the running QB" vs pocket passer.  The reality is that QBs that win championships are either pocket passers (Brady, Brees, Big Ben, both Mannings, Foles, Flacco), or passers with ability to be mobile as a plus, not their primary talent (Rogers, Wilson).  

Every couple of years or so, a new crop of QBs enter the league and there are always guys who are dual threat and for years people have said this time it's different, the game is evolving, you can't be a statue, pocket passers who can't run are obsolete...

Yet it's still been proven that the primary job of the QB is to read the defense and distribute the ball to the play makers.  Being able to make quick decisions, move on to other reads, and make accurate throws is the most important.  Part of that is being able to move around in the pocket and step into a throw, to scramble and make a throw on the run or to tuck it and run.  

It actually helps those QBs that don't run often to take the defense by surprise.  We've seen defenses key on QBs that run too much and take that away and force them to throw.  Kyler Murray seems to be a good combo of these as well, although I haven't seen him play that much.  They should be a playoff team this year and he'll have a chance to prove himself.

Right now Hurts lacks a lot in the passing aspect and accuracy, and he has much to prove there.  He's shown some flashes in the passing game but has a lot to improve on.

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

People debate "the running QB" vs pocket passer.  The reality is that QBs that win championships are either pocket passers (Brady, Brees, Big Ben, both Mannings, Foles, Flacco), or passers with ability to be mobile as a plus, not their primary talent (Rogers, Wilson).  

Every couple of years or so, a new crop of QBs enter the league and there are always guys who are dual threat and for years people have said this time it's different, the game is evolving, you can't be a statue, pocket passers who can't run are obsolete...

Yet it's still been proven that the primary job of the QB is to read the defense and distribute the ball to the play makers.  Being able to make quick decisions, move on to other reads, and make accurate throws is the most important.  Part of that is being able to move around in the pocket and step into a throw, to scramble and make a throw on the run or to tuck it and run.  

It actually helps those QBs that don't run often to take the defense by surprise.  We've seen defenses key on QBs that run too much and take that away and force them to throw.  Kyler Murray seems to be a good combo of these as well, although I haven't seen him play that much.  They should be a playoff team this year and he'll have a chance to prove himself.

Right now Hurts lacks a lot in the passing aspect and accuracy, and he has much to prove there.  He's shown some flashes in the passing game but has a lot to improve on.

I don’t think anyone who feels like Hurts needs time to develop is thinking he’s going to be a run only guy. The better he gets with his accuracy and the better talent they surround him with will improve the offense as a whole. Maybe I’m wrong, but honestly Hurts ability to run actually makes these backs on the roster better than they really are. His ability to force ends not to crash down gives these guys holes that wouldn’t be there if he’s not there. So maybe with a pass only quarterback he gets a a few more completions, but the run game would suffer unless the Eagles got themselves a legit special back. 

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

We've seen defenses key on QBs that run too much and take that away and force them to throw.  Kyler Murray seems to be a good combo of these as wel

I haven't seen Murray much this year but, I know last year when they took his running away he had a hell of a time and looked like any other run first QB that had his running taken away from him which isn't so good. Maybe this year he has improved

How many passing touchdowns  this season now that have been dropped, a receiver stepping out of bounds before he catches the ball, and called back due to a penalty are we up to now? that doesn't even include the called back running scores. 

Just want to remind everyone, Hurts still sucks

22 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Just want to remind everyone, Hurts still sucks

Watch it 😎

6 minutes ago, It Hurts said:

Watch it 😎

Lamar is much more explosive than Jalen with a better arm and passing numbers. I doubt Hurts ever comes close to winning MVP.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Yet it's still been proven that the primary job of the QB is to read the defense and distribute the ball to the play makers.  Being able to make quick decisions, move on to other reads, and make accurate throws is the most important.  Part of that is being able to move around in the pocket and step into a throw, to scramble and make a throw on the run or to tuck it and run.  

IDK, kinda sounds like double talk to me.

37 minutes ago, PhiEaglesWin07 said:

Lamar is much more explosive than Jalen with a better arm and passing numbers. I doubt Hurts ever comes close to winning MVP.

And as it's been pointed out, he's seeing a pretty sharp decline. QBs that rely too much on running always falter.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

And as it's been pointed out, he's seeing a pretty sharp decline. QBs that rely too much on running always falter.

Ravens challenged Jackson to get better in the pocket and he has worked to do that but, when the bullets start flying he makes critical mistakes throwing because he rather run. 

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes but he was also throwing a lot less the last 5 weeks.  This game they needed him to pass more and he fell apart. 

Wentz has nothing to do with this at all. Yes I'm sure some still prefer Wentz but, most of the people that have problems with Hurts isn't because they want Wentz back. 

 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think anyone who feels like Hurts needs time to develop is thinking he’s going to be a run only guy. The better he gets with his accuracy and the better talent they surround him with will improve the offense as a whole. Maybe I’m wrong, but honestly Hurts ability to run actually makes these backs on the roster better than they really are. His ability to force ends not to crash down gives these guys holes that wouldn’t be there if he’s not there. So maybe with a pass only quarterback he gets a a few more completions, but the run game would suffer unless the Eagles got themselves a legit special back. 

Hurts was legitimately bad yesterday, but it wasn’t a silly balance. He’s had games where he has thrown it more and done a lot better. 
 

But yes the Eagles are currently a lot better when they focus on the run. But Hurts running and the threat of Hurts running is a big part of that. He had also made strides with his accuracy and pocket movement.

He was awful yesterday but people are too quick to say he sucks after a really good run. Let’s see how he responds.
 

 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think anyone who feels like Hurts needs time to develop is thinking he’s going to be a run only guy. The better he gets with his accuracy and the better talent they surround him with will improve the offense as a whole. Maybe I’m wrong, but honestly Hurts ability to run actually makes these backs on the roster better than they really are. His ability to force ends not to crash down gives these guys holes that wouldn’t be there if he’s not there. So maybe with a pass only quarterback he gets a a few more completions, but the run game would suffer unless the Eagles got themselves a legit special back. 

I agree Hurts does add a dimension to the run game.  However, with a QB who can throw over the middle (more than 5 yards) or read the D well pre-snap or anticipate routes coming open instead of reacting to them doing so (too late, btw) that the D would have to respect that and the LBs wouldn't be up near the LoS. They would have to always be concerned with play action passes so their first reactions to the snap of the ball would be hesitant allowing the RB to gain an extra yard or two unless the LB just sells out to the run.  It cuts both ways, but IMO the degree to which the run game would 'lessen' in its efficiency would be outweighed by how much the pass game would improve and it is a passing league now.

Besides, IMO it's our OL that is wreaking havoc run blocking along with a good blocking scheme by Stoutland, who could tweak it for a more traditional QB.  Overall the O should be better. 

 

Anyone mention the 3rd and 2 incompletion Hurts threw, then barked at the sidelines and pushed the punt team back, only to throw another incompletion on 4th and 2?

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Anyone mention the 3rd and 2 incompletion Hurts threw, then barked at the sidelines and pushed the punt team back, only to throw another incompletion on 4th and 2?

ah, the failed slant to Reagor

Hurts is hurt. 

38 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I agree Hurts does add a dimension to the run game.  However, with a QB who can throw over the middle (more than 5 yards) or read the D well pre-snap or anticipate routes coming open instead of reacting to them doing so (too late, btw) that the D would have to respect that and the LBs wouldn't be up near the LoS. They would have to always be concerned with play action passes so their first reactions to the snap of the ball would be hesitant allowing the RB to gain an extra yard or two unless the LB just sells out to the run.  It cuts both ways, but IMO the degree to which the run game would 'lessen' in its efficiency would be outweighed by how much the pass game would improve and it is a passing league now.

Besides, IMO it's our OL that is wreaking havoc run blocking along with a good blocking scheme by Stoutland, who could tweak it for a more traditional QB.  Overall the O should be better. 

 

Well he’s got to the end of the season to figure it out I guess. In any case I’m not as convinced a traditional quarterback can be all that successful here with basically two weapons thanks to Howie’s receiver drafts. 

26 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts is hurt. 

Well now maybe people can get their wish. Let’s see what a passing quarterback can do.