11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well he’s got to the end of the season to figure it out I guess. In any case I’m not as convinced a traditional quarterback can be all that successful here with basically two weapons thanks to Howie’s receiver drafts. 

Well now maybe people can get their wish. Let’s see what a passing quarterback can do. 

I hope not. I can see Minshew beating up on the Jets then people demanding he starts for the rest of the year.

37 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts is hurt. 

IR the scrub

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well he’s got to the end of the season to figure it out I guess. In any case I’m not as convinced a traditional quarterback can be all that successful here with basically two weapons thanks to Howie’s receiver drafts. 

Well now maybe people can get their wish. Let’s see what a passing quarterback can do. 

Agree that it would be nice to add a vet WR with some savvy.  One who knows to come back to the ball and find the soft spots in zones.  As far as RB, having that north-south power runner to move the chains and help wear down the D along with change of pace quicker back who can also be effective in the pass game is pretty all that's needed.  Sure, having a dynamic RB would be great, but those guys are getting more rare each season. 

IMO, Quez has some skills and definitely the speed so he's useful at times.  Smith is going to be very good.  Getting that vet guy would really help.  Good OL and RB depth is important.  We're OK on the former, but the latter could be a bit better. 

 

49 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts is hurt. 

But he's built different!

16 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I hope not. I can see Minshew beating up on the Jets then people demanding he starts for the rest of the year.

Doesn’t matter. The peanut gallery wants its pound of flesh. Give it to them. Let’s see what this offense can do with allegedly a good quarterback. 

3 hours ago, EagleVA said:

IDK, kinda sounds like double talk to me.

Well let me clarify.  A pocket passer still has to move somewhat even if just taking a quick step or 2 to avoid a hit and step into the throw.  They might also need to leave the pocket and move away safely and then deliver the ball.  At times, a QB might also tuck and run.  Some QBs rely on quick release and don't run hardly at all.  Some will move around and make plays from behind the pocket but not run around very much.  Others will use their legs a lot more if they have that ability.  There are sometimes designed runs for the QB as well.

But regardless, the primary job is to deliver the ball to the playmakers.  The QB keeping the ball and running isn't the primary role of the QB.  

Hurts may not play against the Jets with an ankle sprain.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts is hurt. 

Can't just throw that out there without a link man!  I had to search but Siri said Hurts has some soreness in his ankle.

 

 

22 minutes ago, NOTW said:

But regardless, the primary job is to deliver the ball to the playmakers.  The QB keeping the ball and running isn't the primary role of the QB.  

No doubt.

26 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Hurts may not play against the Jets with an ankle sprain.

Just one? Hell there was a certain former qb here who played on two sprained ankles earlier this season. Suck it up Sally 

32 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Can't just throw that out there without a link man!  I had to search but Siri said Hurts has some soreness in his ankle.

 

 

Thanks man - did my work for me!

21 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Thanks man - did my work for me!

Don't let it become a habit.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Can't just throw that out there without a link man!  I had to search but Siri said Hurts has some soreness in his ankle.

 

 

Good. Hope he has to sit the rest of the season. With any luck a team may be dumb enough to trade for him. Either way I hope he never puts on an Eagles jersey again in his life. We won't be that lucky though. 

1 hour ago, It Hurts said:

Just one? Hell there was a certain former qb here who played on two sprained ankles earlier this season. Suck it up Sally 

Yeah, but Hurts is a running back

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts was legitimately bad yesterday, but it wasn’t a silly balance. He’s had games where he has thrown it more and done a lot better. 
 

But yes the Eagles are currently a lot better when they focus on the run. But Hurts running and the threat of Hurts running is a big part of that. He had also made strides with his accuracy and pocket movement.

He was awful yesterday but people are too quick to say he sucks after a really good run. Let’s see how he responds.

 

Agreed re. Hurts adding to our running game. That cant be understated in his evaluation and definitely been big part of our success.

But I don't see the same strides in the passing game that you mention. He had an excellent game against Atlanta and an excellent first half against the Broncos but outside of that there are still the same mistakes being repeated - missed reads, bad decision making, poor accuracy and ball placement, and questionable arm strength. Those have been a feature with Hurts all year long.

Our success was rather driven by how great the run game has been (in which he plays an important part) plus playing inept offensive oppositions has simply meant we have not needed to rely on the passing game where he has continued to struggle 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well now maybe people can get their wish. Let’s see what a passing quarterback can do. 

I wouldn't count on it. Minshew ain't all that. He may have a really good or two but isn't the guy long term 

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

But regardless, the primary job is to deliver the ball to the playmakers.  The QB keeping the ball and running isn't the primary role of the QB.  

Its amazing this needs to be said

Playing through an ankle injury is tough for a running back.

5 hours ago, NCTANK said:

ah, the failed slant to Reagor

Yea the "Let’s blame Sirianni’s play calling because Hurts couldn’t gain 2 yards on 2 pass plays”

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea the "Let’s blame Sirianni’s play calling because Hurts couldn’t gain 2 yards on 2 pass plays”

Not to mention Hurts is the one that wanted to go for it and told the punt team to stay off the field. If you are gonna do that sheet you better convert!

6 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Not to mention Hurts is the one that wanted to go for it and told the punt team to stay off the field. If you are gonna do that sheet you better convert!

To be honest, going for it was the right call. Why we did two straight passes when passing isn’t what we / our QB is good two straight plays from that situation is beyond me

7 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

 

Agreed re. Hurts adding to our running game. That cant be understated in his evaluation and definitely been big part of our success.

But I don't see the same strides in the passing game that you mention. He had an excellent game against Atlanta and an excellent first half against the Broncos but outside of that there are still the same mistakes being repeated - missed reads, bad decision making, poor accuracy and ball placement, and questionable arm strength. Those have been a feature with Hurts all year long.

Our success was rather driven by how great the run game has been (in which he plays an important part) plus playing inept offensive oppositions has simply meant we have not needed to rely on the passing game where he has continued to struggle 

I've been saying the same thing and the only retort people have is: 

"Hurts isn't playing against said QB. He's playing their defense" 

As if a top shelf QB on the other side doesn't radically change the game.

1 hour ago, kiwieagle said:

To be honest, going for it was the right call. Why we did two straight passes when passing isn’t what we / our QB is good two straight plays from that situation is beyond me

It was the right call I agree there. However, if we cant count on a QB to get 2 freaking yards by throwing it which is the QBs main job then he isn't a QB period. 

21 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes but he was also throwing a lot less the last 5 weeks.  This game they needed him to pass more and he fell apart. 

Wentz has nothing to do with this at all. Yes I'm sure some still prefer Wentz but, most of the people that have problems with Hurts isn't because they want Wentz back. 

I disagree with the Wentz part. There is a sizeable minority on this board who wish Wentz was still our QB and that definitely influences their view on Hurts. 

22 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I just think at this point we probably know what Hurts is. He's going to get a lot of plays using his legs and he is capable of making plats with his arm. But ultimately he's going to struggle if he has to win games with his arm. The big question then becomes... Are any of the QBs in next year's draft categorically going to be better than him? 

We have no idea really what Hurts is. We want to believe that we do, but we really don't. How many players started out fast and fizzled after three years? How many started slow and then became great players?

The first 3 years only lay down a foundation for what a player will and won't be. Saying that Hurts, who has had zero stability in his college and NFL career, at 23 years old is finished product after 16 games starting and two completely different coaching staffs and philosophies, is ludicrous. 

Look, this may be exactly who he is. He maybe a career backup who provides a spark off the bench. He also may become a much better passer in year two of the same coaching staff, with the same players at the same skill position, with hopefully some veterans WR help in the future. We really do not know, regardless of all the hot takes from everyone out there.