15 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

You may very well be right, but one thing I’m not buying is that the Giants had any kind of blueprint to stop him. He ran for 77 yards and it should have been over 100 if Herbig didn’t have a stupid holding penalty. 
 

Hurts and the Eagles beat themselves, there was no great blue print from the Giants.

I do think he has showed some development from the pocket, but I agree it may not be enough. 
 

He has 5 games left. Let’s see how he does.

I don't think they put out a blueprint or anything but I did notice them being much more physical with Hurts on the option handoffs. He was crushed on one of them, several others they would still give him a little shove or hit. I expect this to happen more going forward. Hit him every possible opportunity you can and get him rattled and wear him down, it's not like you can get a penalty for it unless you make it an obnoxious personal foul. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think they put out a blueprint or anything but I did notice them being much more physical with Hurts on the option handoffs. He was crushed on one of them, several others they would still give him a little shove or hit. I expect this to happen more going forward. Hit him every possible opportunity you can and get him rattled and wear him down, it's not like you can get a penalty for it unless you make it an obnoxious personal foul. 

Yeah that’s fair. He’ll have to adapt to that. Lamar has learned to cope.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

No amount of work ethic is going to help him process what he is seeing any faster. That's his biggest flaw, you can make up for the weak ass arm if he could anticipate and read what is going on . Since he can't it only makes having a weaker arm even worse. He makes fear throws when the first read is there. When it's not you can instantly see the panic set in. 

I'm saying all of this after just saying last week he is headed in the right direction but, we all knew a game was going to come up where he was going to have to throw to win and there was zero improvement in that area and again it's not so much his arm as it is him not being able to process what he is seeing. 

Dak Prescott had a lot of those same issues coming out of college as well as the first couple of years in the league. He was able to learn and process things faster as he learned to be more of a passing QB instead of running all the time.

I just can't wrap my head around how a 24 year old project QB has already hit his ceiling and can't improve.

Say Hurts ankle keeps him out Sunday.  Is running game still effective ?  Can Minshew execute Sirianni’s offense better ?   Don’t think it’ll happen, but it’d sure be interesting.

5 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

Say Hurts ankle keeps him out Sunday.  Is running game still effective ?  

Yes, running game is effective because the O-Line is playing well.

6 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

Can Minshew execute Sirianni’s offense better ?   Don’t think it’ll happen, but it’d sure be interesting.

Yes, because Minshew has an NFL caliber arm, and can throw to all parts of the field.

7 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

Say Hurts ankle keeps him out Sunday.  Is running game still effective ?  Can Minshew execute Sirianni’s offense better ?   Don’t think it’ll happen, but it’d sure be interesting.

If Hurts is hurt the running game will be as effective as anyone else back there. Minshew would probably be better in the passing game. 

O-Line is playing well, but Kelce might not play, and who is playing RG??

IF there is no Sanders, no Hurts, no Howard, no Kelce, a backup/backup at RG, this team, this week, might be in trouble.

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean it would be interesting to see how that compares to other QBs. The further the throw the lower completion % you'd expect.

Mainly, his accuracy is lower across the board but falls off greatly the further the ball travels. (53% 10-20 Yards and 31% 20+ yards) He's pretty accurate on shorter throws so maybe they need to have him focus on comeback routes and short yardage. He can still take deep shots from the pocket where he can set his base but outside of that I wouldn't let him go beyond 10 yards.

4 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

Mainly, his accuracy is lower across the board but falls off greatly the further the ball travels. (53% 10-20 Yards and 31% 20+ yards) He's pretty accurate on shorter throws so maybe they need to have him focus on comeback routes and short yardage. He can still take deep shots from the pocket where he can set his base but outside of that I wouldn't let him go beyond 10 yards.

Hiding him by using the run game and then limiting him when he does throw to 10 yards or shorter feels so dirty. You are right, but I still need to take a shower after reading that one.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean it would be interesting to see how that compares to other QBs. The further the throw the lower completion % you'd expect.

According to pro football reference, Hurts is 12th in on-target throws and has the 5th-lowest bad throw percentage.

I think accuracy was an issue early on, but that is no longer the case. His mechanics seem to be a lot better.

On his first two interceptions Sunday, the ball was where it needed to be, but both times our receivers got outmuscled. On the first one, Watkins should have made an easy catch but ended up behind the play either due to a lack of strength or a missed PI call. We can't say we want Hurts to see the field better and throw with anticipation, and then lose our minds when he does that, and the receiver can't beat one on one coverage when he knows where the ball is going to be and the defender doesn't.

On the goal line INT. Scott is kind of covered by definitely is open when the ball is released. The fact that he ends up flat on his back when the ball gets there isn't really on Hurts. I guess the argument is just throw it away, but the other argument is catch the ball and don't get outmuscled.

The all 22 is up and I haven't gone through every throw, but from first glance Hurts is really being let down by the play calling and his receivers. Smith and Goedert were constantly double teamed. The running backs didn't do much with their limited targets. Watkins made a nice play, but, as noted, lost to the db on the int. Ward had a drop on a perfectly thrown ball. Reagor's struggles were obvious.

The argument many people are making is that if we had a different qb in there, the outcome would be different. They are right in that the running game would be far less effective. As far as the passing game, I can agree that a better qb might hit one or two throws Hurts is missing. But it's not like you are going to see Reagor start putting up huge numbers since he is literally never open, and can't catch it when he is.

The arm strength concerns are valid. You can tell there are some windows that are open for other qbs and closed for him. But I watch a lot of NE's offense, and Jones has the same issue. They just run different routes than we do to offset it. So for anyone who thinks coaching isn't an issue, you aren't watching enough film. Sure, getting a great qb would make us better. But if Hurts was on NE, I would imagine their record would be the same, and if Jones was on our team, so would ours.   

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

Dak Prescott had a lot of those same issues coming out of college as well as the first couple of years in the league. He was able to learn and process things faster as he learned to be more of a passing QB instead of running all the time.

Dak never ran all the time as a professional, he did in college because they were called QB keepers.

I'll say it again, whenever you have  a lot of QB keepers called it's the coach saying I don't have a clue as to what call to make.  

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You come back and let us know when this happens.  I'm not going to wait around though.

Where are you going to go?

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

You may very well be right, but one thing I’m not buying is that the Giants had any kind of blueprint to stop him. He ran for 77 yards and it should have been over 100 if Herbig didn’t have a stupid holding penalty. 
 

Hurts and the Eagles beat themselves, there was no great blue print from the Giants.

I do think he has showed some development from the pocket, but I agree it may not be enough. 
 

He has 5 games left. Let’s see how he does.

We'll just disagree on that.  They let him run around some between the 20's and then made him pass it for scores (2 red zone INTs).  Until the 4th quarter, he still had less yards passing than rushing and his whopping 129 yards total is downright embarassing. Not to mention they kept beating on him on every fake.  That's a blueprint in my mind.  It's damn hard to argue that he isn't being controlled more and more.

If his ankle is tweaked for this week, his wheels are compromised and his arm isn't taking us anywhere. I'll be glad to watch, but I expect more of the same.  

Minshew time?

3 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Dak Prescott had a lot of those same issues coming out of college as well as the first couple of years in the league. He was able to learn and process things faster as he learned to be more of a passing QB instead of running all the time.

I just can't wrap my head around how a 24 year old project QB has already hit his ceiling and can't improve.

 Arm strength can be improved, Brady and Breeze both did but they did it with their throwing mechanics they were born with, Hurts already has an elongated wind up, but when he throws past 30 yards it becomes even more exaggerated, so when Hurts is late throwing the ball, that windup just adds time to an already late throw.  That and now teams expect QB’s to complete passes at 65-68%, that may be something Hurts isn’t capable of except against teams with terrible defenses like the Falcons and the Jets

Dak completed passes at a higher rate in his rookie year, than he did in college, that’s super rare, but his rate in college was less than Jalen’s. His biggest flaw like McNabbs was locking his left leg, which almost forces you throw passes in the dirt and that flaw is a lot easier to fix than a bad throwing motion you’ve used your entire life.  Hurts has always had a hard time seeing the entire field, he’s 6’1” but he plays like he’s 5’8”, Goedert’s and Smith’s targets last game are proof of this. 

 Tua would be the opposite of Hurts, he’s mobile, but not a running QB, his arm strength might be slightly better but his throwing mechanics, including his release are Marino like.  If Miami had to a decent O line, Tua’s numbers would be a 100% better. 

From this week's QB ranking on ESPN:

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Philadelphia's Jalen Hurts took a step back on Sunday. He made some bad decisions against the Giants. According to NFL Next Gen Stats, he attempted a career-high 39% of his passes into tight windows (1 yard or less of separation) on Sunday and went 2-of-12 with an interception on such throws. He has now completed a league-low 20% of his tight-window throws for the season. Hurts had a chance to still win the game but was hit with some untimely drops. I'm sure the Eagles were hoping for a more consistent performance, and in my opinion, the jury is still out on his viability as a starting NFL QB.

 

Hurts has enough arm to get it done but he's going to have to anticipate better.  I don't understand why people keep breaking their legs jumping on and off his wagon, give him the full 17 game season and then we talk.

Honestly kind of hoping he sits this week. At least get a small glimpse of what Minchew can do with this offense. 

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Hurts has enough arm to get it done but he's going to have to anticipate better, read defenses better, stand strong in the pocket better, stop holding the ball, be able to pass to the left side of the field, deliver deep balls in stride, and be more accurate to the edges.  I don't understand why people keep breaking their legs jumping on and off his wagon, give him the full 17 game season and then we talk.

FYP.

Only thing Hurts does well is suck at being a qb

5 minutes ago, nipples said:

Honestly kind of hoping he sits this week. At least get a small glimpse of what Minchew can do with this offense. 

Doesn't sound like that is the plan from what he said earlier.  Bad leg and depending on his arm...what could go wrong?

If he does sit, I hope they decide early, so Minshew gets all the practice reps.

42 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Doesn't sound like that is the plan from what he said earlier.  Bad leg and depending on his arm...what could go wrong?

To be honest I can't understand their logic there. If his ankle is less than 80% then he should not play on Sunday. We have a bye week straight after so it makes no sense. 

54 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Doesn't sound like that is the plan from what he said earlier.  Bad leg and depending on his arm...what could go wrong?

If he does sit, I hope they decide early, so Minshew gets all the practice reps.

Doesn’t make sense for Hurts to play with a leg that is less than 100%. It pretty much renders him useless. 
 

 

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

Only thing Hurts does well is suck at being a qb

Easy there.  Hurts is an NFL quality Qb, hands down.  The dude will make tens of millions over the next 10 years as a pro Qb.  The question to be answered is weather he is good enough to captain a perennial contender.  Probably not, he's very probably a fringe starter or top tier backup.  But that type of player can surprise you if you take the time to develop him.

I swear I thought Hurts was concussed as I watched him throw, soft, wobbly passes after soft wobbly pass. I was on this forum while the game was live, and I said as much. Then I said he is going to have multiple picks, and I think I said 3-5 picks or whatever. That was easy to see- it was going to happen, not might happen. It was that bad. I thought if he is hurt or concussed, why the hell is the coach leaving him in the game. Then it hit me... he isn't hurt, he just can't throw a damn football. 

I was backing him 100% before I saw this sheet show, and realized how bad he actually is. Then the seriously bad QB IQ- throwing to RockHandsReagor TWICE, instead of his wide open #1 WR. He couldn't even get the ball to his wide open FIRST READ, #1 WR. That was the straw that broke this fans back. Stupid and no arm? Won't even throw to his wide open 1st read?? I can't back this guy anymore- I saw it all Sunday. He has had plenty of time to be smarter and develop his arm. Dude is so strong, yet throws wet noodle passes, one after another after another? Next.