On 12/2/2021 at 6:00 AM, Perforator said:

The Eagles aren't going to sit around and wait for Hurts to get better. If, at the end of the season, there are as many questions then as there are now, they will look for a replacement.

 

Jalen does seem to have Lurie's "emotional intelligence" and the team seems to like him. I'm not sure he's going to be replaced unless he clearly demonstrates he's not capable.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Correct we would not be contenders with either of those. We wouldn't be a contender with Mahomes or Brady, Herbert or Rodgers. 

LOL! You are a hoot, UK.  The Eagles would be in serious playoff discussions with Jones, Burrow, and Herbert and likely leading our division with Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers.  I'd feel confident headed into the playoffs with those last three every time.  Either way, that's 6 QBs better than what we have and those last three make everyone way better around them.

1 minute ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen does seem to have Lurie's "emotional intelligence" and the team seems to like him. I'm not sure he's going to be replaced unless he clearly demonstrates he's not capable.

Having "winning talent" will surpass "emotional intelligence" for the organization very soon.

37 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Anyone else catch that stat this morning when Jalen Hirts passes the ball to any receiver not named Reagor his QBR is around 65, but when he passes to Reagor his QBR is 5.8? Jalen Reagor is like a quarterback black hole right now. 

That may actually be two offensive black holes colliding.

55 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen does seem to have Lurie's "emotional intelligence" and the team seems to like him. I'm not sure he's going to be replaced unless he clearly demonstrates he's not capable.

In Jalen's most recent game, he clearly demonstrated he's not capable.

Now we can move on to our next quarterback with a clear conscience, knowing he's not capable.

27 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

In Jalen's most recent game, he clearly demonstrated he's not capable.

Now we can move on to our next quarterback with a clear conscience, knowing he's not capable.

That last game was just the exclamation point.  

On 12/2/2021 at 7:28 AM, dawkins4prez said:

I think he can be in the fringe starter class with guys like Bridgewater, Tannehill and Daniel Jones.

agreed... he is a priority backup (guaranteeing a long career) with fringe starter ability/potential. 

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That may actually be two offensive black holes colliding.

The 2 of them are just one giant black hole

On 12/2/2021 at 5:00 AM, Perforator said:

The Eagles aren't going to sit around and wait for Hurts to get better. If, at the end of the season, there are as many questions then as there are now, they will look for a replacement.

 

And that’s what scares a lot of us: the notion that management is gonna try to patch the gaping holes with what’s presently on the shelf instead of waiting for a superior product to come in stock.

We’re better off using the high-value picks and money we have addressing other positions of need (worst case, trading back one of those picks for a 1st next year to address the QB position), than we are taking a retread or high-mileage vet that will cost a small fortune in assets.

 

59 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

agreed... he is a priority backup (guaranteeing a long career) with fringe starter ability/potential. 

If Geno Smith can carve out a 10 yr career, Hurts will be around for a long while.  He's a great locker room guy which helps that cause.

On 12/2/2021 at 2:30 PM, EagleVA said:

I know, it's fun to kick those when their down and constructive criticism can be good but I'm reading too many mean spirited posts.....I guess it's a Philly thing. 

They only seem mean when whoever it is on the team or in the org SUCK at what they do- at even basic tasks. We don't feel sorry for  gazillionaires who aren't earning their $$, and keep making mistakes over and over and over again. No- if you are a gazillionaire, that tells me you should be a freekin expert at whatever you do. I have no pity for rich, coddled athletes who can't do their jobs. Nothing personal towards you or your post, though. It's just how I am, and many like me are. I would have a TON of pity and help and "regular" person on the street who is struggling, but not spoiled, rich people who play a game for a living.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Anyone else catch that stat this morning when Jalen Hirts passes the ball to any receiver not named Reagor his QBR is around 65, but when he passes to Reagor his QBR is 5.8? Jalen Reagor is like a quarterback black hole right now. 

And yet Hurts chooses to throw to him instead of his #1 WR. High QB IQ there. And a noodle arm. Awesome combo for a franchise QB.

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

The 2 of them are just one giant black hole

Imma start playing "Black Hole Sun" by Soundgarden before every game Hurts and Reagor play- as the theme song. 🤟🏻

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

He's the most targeted player on the Eagles by a wide margin. In other words, he's Hurts' favorite target. I doubt he's hurting the rookie's development. 

The rookies development is being hurt by a condition called "Rock Hands." There is no known cure for it as of right now.

4 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen does seem to have Lurie's "emotional intelligence" and the team seems to like him. I'm not sure he's going to be replaced unless he clearly demonstrates he's not capable.

Oooooooo- a crappy QB keeps his starting position because he is qualified he is nice to people. "Hi, I am nice to you, so I get to start as a QB for the Philadelphia Eagles!"

4 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

LOL! You are a hoot, UK.  The Eagles would be in serious playoff discussions with Jones, Burrow, and Herbert and likely leading our division with Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers.  I'd feel confident headed into the playoffs with those last three every time.  Either way, that's 6 QBs better than what we have and those last three make everyone way better around them.

With this team? I really don't think so. This team isn't good enough on both sides of the ball. 

23 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

With this team? I really don't think so. This team isn't good enough on both sides of the ball. 

I think you’re underestimating the massive impact that a legit QB has. The D isn’t great but they are average at least. 

Exclusive New Doug Pederson Interview on Life after the Eagles, Jalen Hurts, His time off this last year, the lost of his Brother and becoming a Grandfather:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaRzLtIf1cA

*Say this is basically Jalen's Rookie Season

*Says he's been 4 Offensive Systems in 4 Years

*Says he's agrees with Nick's "Flower" Analogy and that the Media and fans were being too hard on both of them.

*Says mistakes with Young QB's are normal and expected.  

*Says he's been impressed with Jalen's growth this season and is excited to see him play in Year 2 in the same system

 

It was a really good interview and he also go in depth about Reagor and other issues.  He gave Nick props too and didn't say anything wild.  Also says he would like to coach in 2022.  He didn't harp on Jalen's mistakes but focused more on how Jalen is learning each and every game.   Jalen will continue his development and growth.   

 

In looking at the team's options, I think it boils down to this.

1. Draft a rookie.

2. Acquire a vet.

3. Stick with Hurts.

Is 3 the best option? Here's the argument. Right now the team is 18th in offensive yards per game at 351. They need about 40 more yards of offense a game to get in the top 5. They are also 11th in total defense ay 340, and need to reduce that total by about 40 to get in the top 5.

Smith is their leading receiver at around 60 yards a game. Reagor is at 16. On paper, replacing Reagor with another Smith gets you the 40 yards you need. Obviously it's not a perfect equation, but drafting a solid receiving prospect seems like the easiest way to get that extra 40 yards you need without hurting the run game or expending other resources.

It also allows four other top 100 picks to address the defense.

I think it is hard to argue that any option is better than sticking with Hurts. If he can simply throw for 40 more yards a game, our offense goes into the top 5. He has already shown he can be productive with Smith, so why not give him another similar target? Plus, you fix the defense, so even if adding the wideout fails, you have at least addressed one of the problems.

The problem with drafting a rookie is that the success rate is low, and you still have him throwing to Reagor. Plus, the run game gets worse. It is really easy to see a scenario where we draft a qb and get way worse on offense.

The same with adding a vet, except the cost is higher, so not only does the offense risk getting worse, we also still have an average defense that is trending down instead of up because we spent the draft capital on a qb.

The argument, in my mind, is pretty much over. The numbers don't lie. We need 40 more yards on offense and 40 less yards on defense to be an elite team. And we have a clear path to getting there. Draft a wr early and spend the rest of the picks on defense.     

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

In looking at the team's options, I think it boils down to this.

1. Draft a rookie.

2. Acquire a vet.

3. Stick with Hurts.

Is 3 the best option? Here's the argument. Right now the team is 18th in offensive yards per game at 351. They need about 40 more yards of offense a game to get in the top 5. They are also 11th in total defense ay 340, and need to reduce that total by about 40 to get in the top 5.

Smith is their leading receiver at around 60 yards a game. Reagor is at 16. On paper, replacing Reagor with another Smith gets you the 40 yards you need. Obviously it's not a perfect equation, but drafting a solid receiving prospect seems like the easiest way to get that extra 40 yards you need without hurting the run game or expending other resources.

It also allows four other top 100 picks to address the defense.

I think it is hard to argue that any option is better than sticking with Hurts. If he can simply throw for 40 more yards a game, our offense goes into the top 5. He has already shown he can be productive with Smith, so why not give him another similar target? Plus, you fix the defense, so even if adding the wideout fails, you have at least addressed one of the problems.

The problem with drafting a rookie is that the success rate is low, and you still have him throwing to Reagor. Plus, the run game gets worse. It is really easy to see a scenario where we draft a qb and get way worse on offense.

The same with adding a vet, except the cost is higher, so not only does the offense risk getting worse, we also still have an average defense that is trending down instead of up because we spent the draft capital on a qb.

The argument, in my mind, is pretty much over. The numbers don't lie. We need 40 more yards on offense and 40 less yards on defense to be an elite team. And we have a clear path to getting there. Draft a wr early and spend the rest of the picks on defense.     

We still need the heir to Kelce, without him the offense will not produce as it has been. And if you ask me, we should go with a drafted and a FA receiver.

But agree with your general direction!

1 hour ago, Talonblood said:

Oooooooo- a crappy QB keeps his starting position because he is qualified he is nice to people. "Hi, I am nice to you, so I get to start as a QB for the Philadelphia Eagles!"

There's more than being nice but I wouldn't be surprised if Hurts gets a longer trial period than someone else might, he's probably safe next year. Of course if Howie decides the Quarterback factory is running low on raw material next April, he might have a real competition next year. I doubt Minshew is going to get a fair evaluation.

1 hour ago, Talonblood said:

And yet Hurts chooses to throw to him instead of his #1 WR. High QB IQ there. And a noodle arm. Awesome combo for a franchise QB.

Reagor was targeted earlier in the season and when Howard and the run game took off he was used less until this game. Funny thing is people were complaining "Hurts never uses the whole field,” but now maybe we see why. He and Reagor just aren’t connecting. 

6 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That may actually be two offensive black holes colliding.

I’d agree if it weren’t for how much better he is NOT throwing to Reagor, but I know it’s difficult for some of you to give him any credit, we know why. 

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Reagor was targeted earlier in the season and when Howard and the run game took off he was used less until this game. Funny thing is people were complaining "Hurts never uses the whole field,” but now maybe we see why. He and Reagor just aren’t connecting. 

The thing is Reagor does get open he is just horrible at everything else from the time he is targeted till the ball hits the ground. He puts himself out of position once the ball is up almost every time. Its insanity

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hurts benched?

Nope