31 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Lots of success there.

Yeah, I bet Mac Jones would trade QB rating for #1 seed in the conference.

33 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

That Tom Brady has been a real disappointment.

2003

47 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

That Tom Brady has been a real disappointment.

Comparing stats from the early 00s to today as if they mean anything is bonkers - the game has changed substantially to make passing easier.

For example: In 2002: 12/32 QBs had ratings below 80 and in 2003 it was 16/32. Last year it was 4 (one of whom of course was our QB!)

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Yeah, I bet Mac Jones would trade QB rating for #1 seed in the conference.

 

Mac Jones getting it done in the toughest of places being forced to play with the GOAT HC and the best defense in the NFL.  

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

2003

 

4 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Comparing stats from the early 00s to today as if they mean anything is bonkers - the game has changed substantially to make passing easier.

For example: In 2002: 12/32 QBs had ratings below 80 and in 2003 it was 16/32. Last year it was 4 (one of whom of course was our QB!)

2013, 2019

12 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He does though.  He has made strides to improve as a passer this year and he is only going to get better the more he develops.  He is still younger now than Carson Wentz was when he played his first game as a pro for example. 

But he's had how many years as quarterback in premier FBS college programs? Or don't you count that?  Alabama & Oklahoma coaching/teaching >> N.D. State for example. Or are all College Quarterbacks the same when they enter the NFL?

39 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

But he's had how many years as quarterback in premier FBS college programs? Or don't you count that?  

What exactly should we count that toward? Certainly college helps prepare the players that are good enough to interest NFL scouts, but it isn't NFL experience. In college coaches only have a limited time to work on a player's development and often they choose to let coachable issues (like mechanics) linger to focus more on immediate results.  I don't think you'll get the same results inundating an 18 year old kid leaving home for the first time, entering college, with every aspect of becoming a future NFL HOFer at his position while he's in your program for 3-4 years. A 21-23 year old adult leaving college (and college sports) will have a lot less on his table when entering professional sports and can dedicate himself fully to his new career. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

What exactly should we count that toward? Certainly college helps prepare the players that are good enough to interest NFL scouts, but it isn't NFL experience. In college coaches only have a limited time to work on a player's development and often they choose to let coachable issues (like mechanics) linger to focus more on immediate results.  I don't think you'll get the same results inundating an 18 year old kid leaving home for the first time, entering college, with every aspect of becoming a future NFL HOFer at his position while he's in your program for 3-4 years. A 21-23 year old adult leaving college (and college sports) will have a lot less on his table when entering professional sports and can dedicate himself fully to his new career. 

I don't know what kind of course load Jalen carried at Alabama and Oklahoma. 'Football schools' - and I think Alabama and Oklahoma qualify - don't necessarily require their football scholarship holders to  complete a degree in nuclear engineering or something equally rigorous in addition to their football 'studies'. I know that some college football players graduate with 'real' degrees but some graduate with degrees in 'I was enrolled in school for as long as I was football eligible'.

8 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I don't know what kind of course load Jalen carried at Alabama and Oklahoma. 'Football schools' - and I think Alabama and Oklahoma qualify - don't necessarily require their football scholarship holders to  complete a degree in nuclear engineering or something equally rigorous in addition to their football 'studies'. I know that some college football players graduate with 'real' degrees but some graduate with degrees in 'I was enrolled in school for as long as I was football eligible'.

https://www.seniorclassaward.com/athletes/jalen_hurts/

 

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Jalen Hurts is currently enrolled as a master’s level student in human relations. A graduate transfer, Hurts received his bachelor’s degree in communication from the University of Alabama in December of 2018. He originally enrolled at Alabama in January 2016 and finished his undergraduate degree in three years. Since enrolling at OU in January 2019, Hurts has completed 15 hours of graduate credit with another 9 enrolled in for the fall of 2019. He has a 3.40 cumulative GPA in his graduate degree work.

He was named a Sooner Scholar and was selected for the Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll in the spring of 2019. At Alabama, he received the 2018 Commitment to Academic Excellence Award, given to the player who has demonstrated the greatest commitment and achievement in his academic endeavors during the previous year. He showed that as he worked to graduate in three years. He was in a degree that had five phases and each is a prerequisite for the next. He worked hard to complete his degree in three years and, on a campus where football players typically stand out, Hurts found a way to blend in.

 

 

4 hours ago, eglz1 said:

But he's had how many years as quarterback in premier FBS college programs? Or don't you count that?  Alabama & Oklahoma coaching/teaching >> N.D. State for example. Or are all College Quarterbacks the same when they enter the NFL?

 

QBs don't enter the NFL from college as finished products.  

33 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

QBs don't enter the NFL from college as finished products.  

Of course not. But I'd expect a QB from a 'football school' to be further along than a QB from NC State or Northern Iowa for instance.

17 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

His completion % took a big jump this year from 52.0% to 60.1%.  His interception % went down, his sack % went down, his QB rating went up, his QBR went up.  He has made undeniable strides and it will be exciting him continue to improve over the years.

 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Undeniable. Strides. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Undeniable. Strides. SWAG.

FYP

16 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

More analysis please. Sounds horrible, but give me more data about completion percentage beyond 3 yards. 8yards? 15yards?

And how does Jalen compare to other starting QBs? Can you plot his numbers on the distribution curve for all starting QBs at each completion percentage?

And, can you ask Howie and Sirianni what they think of the data and what it means? 

16 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

More analysis please. Sounds horrible, but give me more data about completion percentage beyond 3 yards. 8yards? 15yards?

And how does Jalen compare to other starting QBs? Can you plot his numbers on the distribution curve for all starting QBs at each completion percentage?

And, can you ask Howie and Sirianni what they think of the data and what it means? 

I mean, you could click on the tweet, and click on the story, and then go and see all the analysis.

 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I mean, you could click on the tweet, and click on the story, and then go and see all the analysis.

 

Which does not have anything in it that supports what Domo tweeted btw.

Next story by Domowitch - "The Eagles have the 10th best offense in the NFL. Here's why that's a problem for Jalen Hurts."

 

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I mean, you could click on the tweet, and click on the story, and then go and see all the analysis.

 

So the Eagles are the 3rd worse team at completion percentage (56.1%) of passes that aren't a screen, after the Panthers (55.5%) and Jaguars (54.7%). 😞

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

Terrible.

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

Terrible.

This is actually really good 

FINAL NUMBERS 1st 16 STARTS:

Record: 6-10

Passing 57.7% Comp.  3,496 Yards  19 TD 12 INT

Rushing  1,049 Yards, 11 TDS

Total = 4,545 Yards 30 TD's, 12 INTS

 

Let's be seriously honest here.  That's a lot of production for a young QB.   This is a solid first 16 starts.    Yes the Win Total could be better but that will come with time.   I believe Carson was 7-9 his first 16.  Donovan went 8-8 his 1st 16 Starts. 

 

1 hour ago, KINGnabb said:

FINAL NUMBERS 1st 16 STARTS:

Record: 6-10

Passing 57.7% Comp.  3,496 Yards  19 TD 12 INT

Rushing  1,049 Yards, 11 TDS

Total = 4,545 Yards 30 TD's, 12 INTS

 

Let's be seriously honest here.  That's a lot of production for a young QB.   This is a solid first 16 starts.    Yes the Win Total could be better but that will come with time.   I believe Carson was 7-9 his first 16.  Donovan went 8-8 his 1st 16 Starts. 

 

How did the team's rush attack fare during that 16 game stretch? Let's be honest. He is a good RB in the league, but his passing is subpar. The two combined don't make a good QB. They make an average QB that won't have a lengthy career.

30 minutes ago, Devaster said:

How did the team's rush attack fare during that 16 game stretch? Let's be honest. He is a good RB in the league, but his passing is subpar. The two combined don't make a good QB. They make an average QB that won't have a lengthy career.

Is he though? Do you really think if he just lined up at RB he’d be a good RB? I’m not so sure.

50 minutes ago, Devaster said:

How did the team's rush attack fare during that 16 game stretch? Let's be honest. He is a good RB in the league, but his passing is subpar. The two combined don't make a good QB. They make an average QB that won't have a lengthy career.

Stop trying to minimize his skillset.   All his yards and TDS's passing or running count towards his production, period. That's like saying Lamar's MVP season don't count cause he had 1,000 yards rushing.   That's how you sound.   Your other comments are just projection and not based on facts.