9 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Exactly.  Wentz had a 60% completion % during his MVP like season in which he got hurt. Hurts is sitting at 60% right now.  

He also set the Eagles franchise record for passing TD's that year with 33 with only 7 interceptions.

Hurts has 13 passing TD's with 8 interceptions this year.

8 interceptions with in 89 less pass attempts.

For his career, Hurts has thrown 12 interceptions on 499 passing attempts, Minshew has 11 interceptions on 824 passing attempts.

The more you look at Hurts, the worse it is.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He also set the Eagles franchise record for passing TD's that year with 33 with only 7 interceptions.

Hurts has 13 passing TD's with 8 interceptions this year.

8 interceptions with in 89 less pass attempts.

For his career, Hurts has thrown 12 interceptions on 499 passing attempts, Minshew has 11 interceptions on 824 passing attempts.

The more you look at Hurts, the worse it is.

Hurts - 3,100 total yards, 21 TDs, 9 TOs (12 games)

Wentz - 3,100 total yards, 23 TDs, 9 TOs. (13 games)

Some other qbs.

Bridgewater - 3,000 yards, 20 TDs, 8 TOs in 13 games.

Wilson, Russell - 2,450 total yards, 17 TDs 4 TOs in 10 games.

Mac Jones - 2,900 total yards, 16 TDs, 10 TOs in 13 games.

So which of these qbs are top 15 and which aren't?

And how much better do Hurts' numbers have to get to be in the top 15?

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He also set the Eagles franchise record for passing TD's that year with 33 with only 7 interceptions.

Hurts has 13 passing TD's with 8 interceptions this year.

8 interceptions with in 89 less pass attempts.

For his career, Hurts has thrown 12 interceptions on 499 passing attempts, Minshew has 11 interceptions on 824 passing attempts.

The more you look at Hurts, the worse it is.

You're just cementing his point even further. Completion percentage isn't as important as you claim it to be. In 2018 Wentz had a 69% completion percentage, yet was doing worse statistically in every other area. 

11 minutes ago, MF POON said:

You're just cementing his point even further. Completion percentage isn't as important as you claim it to be. In 2018 Wentz had a 69% completion percentage, yet was doing worse statistically in every other area. 

It is definitely important.  There was a stat a week or two ago that Hurts completes 45% of his passes 3 or more yards down the field.  So his completion percentage is inflated ( using that term very loosely ) to 60% with a bunch of passes within 3 yards and behind the line of scrimmage.

Yes, some stats can look good while others are not as good, but Jalen Hurts has no stats that point to him being a top 15, or even top 20 QB.

Just now, downundermike said:

It is definitely important.  There was a stat a week or two ago that Hurts completes 45% of his passes 3 or more yards down the field.  So his completion percentage is inflated ( using that term very loosely ) to 60% with a bunch of passes within 3 yards and behind the line of scrimmage.

Yes, some stats can look good while others are not as good, but Jalen Hurts has no stats that point to him being a top 15, or even top 20 QB.

😂

happy friday man. bye

21 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Hurts - 3,100 total yards, 21 TDs, 9 TOs (12 games)

Wentz - 3,100 total yards, 23 TDs, 9 TOs. (13 games)

Some other qbs.

Bridgewater - 3,000 yards, 20 TDs, 8 TOs in 13 games.

Wilson, Russell - 2,450 total yards, 17 TDs 4 TOs in 10 games.

Mac Jones - 2,900 total yards, 16 TDs, 10 TOs in 13 games.

So which of these qbs are top 15 and which aren't?

And how much better do Hurts' numbers have to get to be in the top 15?

All of those QB's I would take over Hurts.

Mac Jones is poised to have the Pats be the 1 seed in the AFC, and Mac Jones has 8 TO's, not 10.

Colts 7-6 in the playoff hunt, and Carson Wentz does not have 9 turnovers, he has 6.

Denver 7-6 in the playoff hunt

Wilson is Wilson, and light years ahead of Hurts.

Jalen Hurts while in the playoff hunt, has a 5-7 record, and the team is winning his recent starts due to an all pro line and running game.

9 minutes ago, MF POON said:

😂

happy friday man. bye

At least one of you Hurts humpers has enough pride to take the L and move on.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

All of those QB's I would take over Hurts.

Mac Jones is poised to have the Pats be the 1 seed in the AFC, and Mac Jones has 8 TO's, not 10.

Colts 7-6 in the playoff hunt, and Carson Wentz does not have 9 turnovers, he has 6.

Denver 7-6 in the playoff hunt

Wilson is Wilson, and light years ahead of Hurts.

Jalen Hurts while in the playoff hunt, has a 5-7 record, and the team is winning his recent starts due to an all pro line and running game.

At least one of you Hurts humpers has enough pride to take the L and move on.

Mac Jones has 8 INTs and two fumbles.

2021 NFL QB Statistics | Fantasy Football | FantasyPros

Last time I checked, that is 10.

Carson Wentz has six INTs and three fumbles. Last time I checked, that is 9.

Wilson is having a bad year. So do we only count what players have done in the past? Also, his team is worse than the Eagles. So we give Wentz credit for the Colts, even though his numbers are worse than what they got from Rivers last year, but give Wilson a pass.

That's downunderidiot in a nutshell. Can't look up basic facts, then uses contradictory logic in the same post. 

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Mac Jones has 8 INTs and two fumbles.

2021 NFL QB Statistics | Fantasy Football | FantasyPros

Last time I checked, that is 10.

Carson Wentz has six INTs and three fumbles. Last time I checked, that is 9.

My apologies.  I looked at ESPN, but did not scroll all the way down.  Unlike you, I can admit a mistake.

What I am not mistaken about, is Jalen Hurts will never be a good enough passer to succeed in the NFL.

The fact that his stats are in the same group as Bridgewater, Heinicke and Tannehill tells you all you need to know.

Now please tell us again how a team ranking 12 th and 14 th in two categories rounds to 10.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

My apologies.  I looked at ESPN, but did not scroll all the way down.  Unlike you, I can admit a mistake.

What I am not mistaken about, is Jalen Hurts will never be a good enough passer to succeed in the NFL.

So we just gloss over the fact that Jones had 25 percent more turnovers than you thought he had? That's a pretty big mistake, considering you lost your mind over the difference between 10th and 11th place, a mistake that is a 3 percent difference.

As far as Hurts, you may be right that he might never be a good enough passer to succeed in the NFL, but he may be a good enough player to succeed in the NFL. And I think that's your biggest problem. You have been blinded by what you think is the roadmap to success in the NFL (completion percentage, qbr, etc.) that you don't actually know what it takes to succeed in the NFL (yards, points, limiting turnovers.)

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

As far as Hurts, you may be right that he might never be a good enough passer to succeed in the NFL, but he may be a good enough player to succeed in the NFL. And I think that's your biggest problem. You have been blinded by what you think is the roadmap to success in the NFL (completion percentage, qbr, etc.) that you don't actually know what it takes to succeed in the NFL (yards, points, limiting turnovers.)

As Lamar Jackson has proven in the playoffs, you have to pass to win.  Take away his running, and you have a 1-3 playoff record scoring an average of 13 points per game.

This is the 3rd wave of the running QB fad, and it failed the first two times.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

As Lamar Jackson has proven in the playoffs, you have to pass to win.  Take away his running, and you have a 1-3 playoff record scoring an average of 13 points per game.

This is the 3rd wave of the running QB fad, and it failed the first two times.

I debunked this argument pretty thoroughly a few days ago. Go find that post and read it. I have nothing more to add, so if that doesn't change your mind, so be it.

This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. 

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I debunked this argument pretty thoroughly a few days ago. Go find that post and read it. I have nothing more to add, so if that doesn't change your mind, so be it.

This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. 

First of all, I had never even discussed any topic with you until yesterday, so not sure how it was debunked several days ago.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

First of all, I had never even discussed any topic with you until yesterday, so not sure how it was debunked several days ago.

You're a big boy. I am sure you are able to go back a few pages ITT and find it on your own.

I have no interest in getting into a multi-day "running qbs can't win a Super Bowl" argument with you. My position is clear, concise and well researched. If it doesn't convince you, which I already know it won't, I will still be able to sleep at night.

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I have no interest in getting into a multi-day "running qbs can't win a Super Bowl" argument

That has never been the discussion.  The discussion has been that Hurts is not a top 10 QB, by any metric.

But fact is, the next running QB to win a Super Bowl will be the first.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

As Lamar Jackson has proven in the playoffs, you have to pass to win.  Take away his running, and you have a 1-3 playoff record scoring an average of 13 points per game.

This is the 3rd wave of the running QB fad, and it failed the first two times.

Yeah i don't believe it either.  Lamar Jackson is capable of winning a SB.  I'd take him over say, a young Eli manning in a heartbeat.  Russel Wilson won a SB , so did Steve Young.  Capable from the pocket but both guys who played their best outside of it.

 

BTW, Lamar's current issues are not really on him.  Villanueve and Tyre Phillips are probably the straight up worst pass blocking tackle duo in the league right now.  It's also a running offense with no running backs.  Davonta Freeman shouldn't even be in the league at this point much less a RB1.

Hurts is top 10 in intangibles and swag.

I hope like hell Hurts turns into a top-10, or even top-15 QB.

But  at anyone who thinks his play this year has already been at that level.

2 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

I hope like hell Hurts turns into a top-10, or even top-15 QB.

But  at anyone who thinks his play this year has already been at that level.

I genuinely hope he's the greatest QB to ever play the game. Just as I hope anyone who puts on the uniform becomes a first ballot HoFer.

But let's call a spade a spade.

8 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Hurts - 3,100 total yards, 21 TDs, 9 TOs (12 games)

Wentz - 3,100 total yards, 23 TDs, 9 TOs. (13 games)

Some other qbs.

Bridgewater - 3,000 yards, 20 TDs, 8 TOs in 13 games.

Wilson, Russell - 2,450 total yards, 17 TDs 4 TOs in 10 games.

Mac Jones - 2,900 total yards, 16 TDs, 10 TOs in 13 games.

So which of these qbs are top 15 and which aren't?

And how much better do Hurts' numbers have to get to be in the top 15?

See, you have to keep going with total yards and TDs to ignore the fact that Hurts is a bad passer.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

See, you have to keep going with total yards and TDs to ignore the fact that Hurts is a bad passer.

This is the world we live in. People base QUARTERBACK PLAY on how well the guy can run.

12 hours ago, MF POON said:

Look at all those excuses for why Wentz stunk.  

I think you read that wrong. Those weren't "excuses" for Wentz' play. They were reasons we should have been passing less. 

Mac Jones and Carson Wentz combine for 45 first quarter passing yards, and 8 of those were essentially a hand off by Wentz, but these two are top 15?

And Wentz with two really bad misses as well.

It is nice to see the Hurts Haters actually have to watch some non-Eagles football to see what the rest of the league actually looks like.

 

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Mac Jones and Carson Wentz combine for 45 first quarter passing yards, and 8 of those were essentially a hand off by Wentz, but these two are top 15?

And Wentz with two really bad misses as well.

It is nice to see the Hurts Haters actually have to watch some non-Eagles football to see what the rest of the league actually looks like.

 

Look at the records of those teams

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Look at the records of those teams

They win because they run the ball well.

Or are you waving the white flag and agreeing with me?

It's hard to tell because your posts often support the points I am trying to make.

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

They win because they run the ball well.

Or are you waving the white flag and agreeing with me?

It's hard to tell because your posts often support the points I am trying to make.

We run the ball well, 2nd in the league well, but because our QB sucks we have a losing record