1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

The quarterback is in his second season. You’re expecting perfection from a developing player. Despite his imperfections he still has his team winning. The issue is people are ridiculously impatient. 

The gap between perfection and the slop Hurts puts on the field as a passer is cavernous.  Cavernous.  There are so many things he could be, beneath perfection, that are vastly superior to what he is.

Just now, eagle45 said:

The gap between perfection and the slop Hurts puts on the field as a passer is cavernous.  Cavernous.  There are so many things he could be, beneath perfection, that are vastly superior to what he is.

Funny, cause the Eagles are 8-7 with this "runningback” playing quarterback, and all these quarterbacks you think are better don’t seem to be going anywhere. I know you all seem to foolishly think Pat Mahomes is easy to find, but they aren’t. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Funny, cause the Eagles are 8-7 with this "runningback” playing quarterback, and all these quarterbacks you think are better don’t seem to be going anywhere. I know you all seem to foolishly think Pat Mahomes is easy to find, but they aren’t. 

Hurts is one of the select few worst rated passers in the entire NFL.  There are a lot of options between Hurts and Pat Mahomes.

And yes, it's a real miracle and accomplishment that they managed 8-7 with a true runningback under center.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts is one of the select few worst rated passers in the entire NFL.  There are a lot of options between Hurts and Pat Mahomes.

And yes, it's a real miracle and accomplishment that they managed 8-7 with a true runningback under center.

You mean like Kirk Cousins? Career record 58-59-2 but who cares if he wins!

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts is one of the select few worst rated passers in the entire NFL.  There are a lot of options between Hurts and Pat Mahomes.

And yes, it's a real miracle and accomplishment that they managed 8-7 with a true runningback under center.

It says alot about Siri to possibly get10 wins and into the playoffs with the passing limitations that he has on offense.  

12 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

It says alot about Siri to possibly get10 wins and into the playoffs with the passing limitations that he has on offense.  

Agreed

Btw, I'd take Cousins over Hurts

Just now, Godfather said:

Agreed

Btw, I'd take Cousins over Hurts

So wouldn't most objective posters....and likely Siri himself.

24 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Funny, cause the Eagles are 8-7 with this "runningback” playing quarterback, and all these quarterbacks you think are better don’t seem to be going anywhere. I know you all seem to foolishly think Pat Mahomes is easy to find, but they aren’t. 

They are 8-7 after feeding on the top 10 worst teams in the NFL and talking the ball out of the QB’s hands.

5 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So wouldn't most objective posters....and likely Siri himself.

I get optimistic/excited thinking about Siri's offense with a qb under center and not a rb. Unfortunately we will have to wait on that

Did you guys hear Hurts' comment concerning thinking Watkins is due for a big game.

I was like well duh....throw him the ball and you'll see many big games from him.

Just now, EagleVA said:

Did you guys hear Hurts' comment concerning thinking Watkins is due for a big game.

I was like well duh....throw him the ball and you'll see many big games from him.

He said it because the game plan early in the week was to throw the ball. After Siri realized Hurts wasn't capable of it, they went back to what was working the past few weeks

33 minutes ago, downundermike said:

They are 8-7 after feeding on the top 10 worst teams in the NFL and talking the ball out of the QB’s hands.

Minshew threw the ball 25 times and you creamed your pants. Wentz beat a bunch of bad teams in 2019 to make the playoffs and you creamed your pants. The Eagles threw the ball 26 times against WTF, and 29 against the Giants, but they’re "taking the ball out his hands?” Seems like your take is filled with biased rubbish. 

3 hours ago, Godfather said:

He said it because the game plan early in the week was to throw the ball. After Siri realized Hurts wasn't capable of it, they went back to what was working the past few weeks

I don't know, I think everybody should cool out with Hurts' passing, just look at how Josh Allen looked his first year as a starter, I would have never thought he'd turn into what what we saw last year and this year.

40 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Agreed

Btw, I'd take Cousins over Hurts

 

38 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So wouldn't most objective posters....and likely Siri himself.

If he was a rookie I might. I have no desire to take on his contract. I would live with Hurts first honestly

19 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

I don't know, I think everybody should cool out with Hurts passing, just look at how Josh Allen looked his first year as a starter, I would have never he'd turn into what what we saw last year and this year.

I've said this a few times, Josh Allen's first two season's were bad, sub 60% completion, barely broke 3000 yards year 2, third season the light clicked on, 4500 yards and 37 TD's and now he's easily a top 10 QB in the league.

I'm not saying Hurts is definitely going to do that, what I'm saying is that less than a full season as starter isn't a time to make a decision, especially when a replacement who is any sort of shot to be better out of the box is likely going to cost you the first day of the 2022 draft.

Also a lot of people that were pissed we traded the guy who took us to 4-11-1 last year now know for absolute definite that we have to change the new guy who has doubled that win number.

4 minutes ago, greend said:

If he was a rookie I might. I have no desire to take on his contract. I would live with Hurts first honestly

The theory that I am working with there is that to get any similarly competent and experienced passer is going to pull a difficult contract along.  Cousins wouldn't be my first choice at all, but he is certainly an upgrade in talent over where we are...but so aren't plenty of others.  

3 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I've said this a few times, Josh Allen's first two season's were bad, sub 60% completion, barely broke 3000 yards year 2, third season the light clicked on, 4500 yards and 37 TD's and now he's easily a top 10 QB in the league.

I'm not saying Hurts is definitely going to do that, what I'm saying is that less than a full season as starter isn't a time to make a decision, especially when a replacement who is any sort of shot to be better out of the box is likely going to cost you the first day of the 2022 draft.

Also a lot of people that were pissed we traded the guy who took us to 4-11-1 last year against now know for absolute definite that we have to change the new guy who has doubled that win number.

I just wanted to point out that guy only won three games last year. I’d also find it funny the defenders of said guy are saying the Eagles are "taking the ball out of the hands” of Hurts while defending that guy. That guys last three games Texans 22 passes, Patriots 12 passes, and the Cardinals 28 passes. All are less than Jalen’s high over that same span. So if the Eagles are "taking the ball” out of Jalen’s hands what in the world do these dopes think the Colts are doing to Wentz? 

7 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Minshew threw the ball 25 time and you creamed your pants. Wentz beat a bunch of bad teams in 2019 to make the playoffs and you creamed your pants. The Eagles threw the ball 26 times against WTF, and 29 against the Giants, but they’re "taking the ball out his hands?” Seems like your take is filled with biased rubbish. 

Honestly, the Hurts hate on this board gets silly at times. 

I appreciate some will think he isn't the guy. He may well not be. But there are too many on this board who have written him off, despite the fact he is winning games and has shown some real upside.

Here's what I saw from the Giants game:

1) There are definitely issues with the deep ball, both in respect of placement and reading/looking off the safety. We did see some good deep balls early in the season from Hurts, some of which were called back due to penalty. I believe he can get better on this and he needs to.

2) Other than his deep ball issues, his accuracy issues are overstated. He had a bad first half, but he had 5 drops. Most of them were right on the money. His completion percentage should have been around the 70% mark, not 58%. 

3) He does need to improve on his reading and progressions, but I'm seeing progress there. Everyone jumps all over him when he doesn't see an open guy, but it happens to all QBs. He explained why he didn't see an open Goedert very well in the press conference.

4) Guy is a baller. He stunk against the Giants. Still we should have won with his throws to Reagor in the last minute. Pressure was on him in the WFT game after the Giants game and after Minshew had beat up on the Jets. Turns in one of the best performances he has produced. Stunk it up first half against the Giants. Got it turned round in the 2nd half. He doesn't let good or bad play phase him.

5) His mobility and his running are seen as a bad thing by many on this board. They aren't. His running and threat of running have been a big part of our win streak. Just because Lamar has choked a couple of times in the playoffs doesn't mean Hurts will or there is a magical formula to shutting down a running QB. He was clearly hampered against the Giants and couldn't really take off, but played well in the second half.

I still want to see him finish the season and potentially in the playoffs, but for me, he is currently our best option for next year at least. The other options would either cost too much or not be as effective.

13 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I've said this a few times, Josh Allen's first two season's were bad, sub 60% completion, barely broke 3000 yards year 2, third season the light clicked on, 4500 yards and 37 TD's and now he's easily a top 10 QB in the league.

I'm not saying Hurts is definitely going to do that, what I'm saying is that less than a full season as starter isn't a time to make a decision, especially when a replacement who is any sort of shot to be better out of the box is likely going to cost you the first day of the 2022 draft.

Also a lot of people that were pissed we traded the guy who took us to 4-11-1 last year now know for absolute definite that we have to change the new guy who has doubled that win number.

What trait besides his running is something you can build off of?

The funny thing about the Kirk Cousins argument is that we already have him on the roster. Minshew is basically a Cousins clone. He completes a lot of passes and, if you put him behind a really good offensive line with good receivers, he can move the ball.

So why do we need to find something we already have on the roster?

Realistically, everyone should be happy. If Hurts never gets better, we have a guy who can be what everyone wants a Hurts replacement to be, a guy who can make quick decisions, read a defense and hit open receivers. And if Hurts does get better, no one should be unhappy, since we have our guy.

We are in a tails we win, heads we win situation, so everyone should be content.

 

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What trait besides his running is something you can build off of?

Pissing off Wentzamanicas. That’s clearly his best trait. 😂🤣😂

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The funny thing about the Kirk Cousins argument is that we already have him on the roster. Minshew is basically a Cousins clone. He completes a lot of passes and, if you put him behind a really good offensive line with good receivers, he can move the ball.

So why do we need to find something we already have on the roster?

Realistically, everyone should be happy. If Hurts never gets better, we have a guy who can be what everyone wants a Hurts replacement to be, a guy who can make quick decisions, read a defense and hit open receivers. And if Hurts does get better, no one should be unhappy, since we have our guy.

We are in a tails we win, heads we win situation, so everyone should be content.

 

I wonder how Hurts would perform with Cousin’s receivers. 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What trait besides his running is something you can build off of?

Well, he has that run around in circles thing in the pocket that seems to throw some players off (including our own).

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Pissing off Wentzamanicas. That’s clearly his best trait. 😂🤣😂

I wonder how Hurts would perform with Cousin’s receivers. 

Cousins performed just fine in Washington as well. It wasn't like he was surrounded by a ton of talent on offense. Cousins is a lightning rod for mediocrity for some reason, but I think he has done quite a bit considering his draft position and talent around him on many of his teams.

The Lamar Jackson criticisms for running QB's is a real thing. It isn't so much that running QB's can't succeed, but it is true that QB's need to be able to throw in the playoffs and critical moments to win games. The playoffs is when teams clamp down and get even more conservative and every yard and every throw matters. It is much tougher to run on teams in the playoffs. And so far running QB's have not been a winning formula. QB's that can throw and are also athletic enough to run is a different story (Rodgers, Luck, Wilson, etc.).

20 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Honestly, the Hurts hate on this board gets silly at times. 

I appreciate some will think he isn't the guy. He may well not be. But there are too many on this board who have written him off, despite the fact he is winning games and has shown some real upside.

Here's what I saw from the Giants game:

1) There are definitely issues with the deep ball, both in respect of placement and reading/looking off the safety. We did see some good deep balls early in the season from Hurts, some of which were called back due to penalty. I believe he can get better on this and he needs to.

2) Other than his deep ball issues, his accuracy issues are overstated. He had a bad first half, but he had 5 drops. Most of them were right on the money. His completion percentage should have been around the 70% mark, not 58%. 

3) He does need to improve on his reading and progressions, but I'm seeing progress there. Everyone jumps all over him when he doesn't see an open guy, but it happens to all QBs. He explained why he didn't see an open Goedert very well in the press conference.

4) Guy is a baller. He stunk against the Giants. Still we should have won with his throws to Reagor in the last minute. Pressure was on him in the WFT game after the Giants game and after Minshew had beat up on the Jets. Turns in one of the best performances he has produced. Stunk it up first half against the Giants. Got it turned round in the 2nd half. He doesn't let good or bad play phase him.

5) His mobility and his running are seen as a bad thing by many on this board. They aren't. His running and threat of running have been a big part of our win streak. Just because Lamar has choked a couple of times in the playoffs doesn't mean Hurts will or there is a magical formula to shutting down a running QB. He was clearly hampered against the Giants and couldn't really take off, but played well in the second half.

I still want to see him finish the season and potentially in the playoffs, but for me, he is currently our best option for next year at least. The other options would either cost too much or not be as effective.

In the end the Eagles are the ones doing the evaluation here. We can talk about what we see, like, or don’t like about Hurts. Bottom line if the Eagles don’t think he’s the guy they will move on from him. If they’re convinced he is then they keep him. As an Eagles fan I support the team. I don’t always agree with their decisions, but as far as I’m concerned no player is bigger than the team. I’m not holding grudges against the team for any players. 

1 minute ago, Devaster said:

Cousins performed just fine in Washington as well. It wasn't like he was surrounded by a ton of talent on offense. Cousins is a lightning rod for mediocrity for some reason, but I think he has done quite a bit considering his draft position and talent around him on many of his teams.

The Lamar Jackson criticisms for running QB's is a real thing. It isn't so much that running QB's can't succeed, but it is true that QB's need to be able to throw in the playoffs and critical moments to win games. The playoffs is when teams clamp down and get even more conservative and every yard and every throw matters. It is much tougher to run on teams in the playoffs. And so far running QB's have not been a winning formula. QB's that can throw and are also athletic enough to run is a different story (Rodgers, Luck, Wilson, etc.).

Cousins is 58-59-2 as a quarterback. Again you people love fluff over substance. If WTF thought he was so great they wouldn’t have let him walk out the door. Got news for you. The Vikings probably let him go too.