2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Locker room rift coming, team Wentz or team Hurts.  

There isn’t anybody on this team that can afford to take sides. Everyone is on "Team play better or your ass is next to be benched.”

1 hour ago, rstarter said:

Yup new domain and what not.  Touché.

This board started in April. He replied to Kingnabb about Carr, and you all of a sudden show up.

Hmm.

30 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

We have witnessed Wentz be trash in games. Nobody was calling him trash before he even played. Nevertheless all I see is people blame everyone but Carson for his mistakes. Well we will find out if nothing else if Hurts is coachable. According to you Hurts isn’t even worth a nickel. If he comes out and plays even half decent he would have proven he’s already more coachable than Carson who has reverted back to his collage issues.  

We aren't talking about Carson Wentz.

Jesus Christ you guys that hate his guys have his name in your mouth more than anyone.

take a poop swoop

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

This board started in April. He replied to Kingnabb about Carr, and you all of a sudden show up.

Hmm.

Maybe I'm him, or maybe I'm not. It's one or the other.

It's been years since I've been on the boards, and despite my non-consumption of NFL games I'm a sucker for QB controversy. So here I am, watching people as they trade opinions on who should be the guy. It takes me back tbh.

It's curiosity that led me to this thread and I was surprised by what seemed to be a protraction of the Carr discussion. Let it go guys lol. 

Wentz is David Carr 

On 12/6/2020 at 4:38 PM, DeathByEagle said:

Id love to Hurts play, reason why is it will confirm the QB is not the major problem, its the coaching. 

My prediction is Hurts will have a decent game his first start. Most first time QBs/backups do well since there is no real tape on them. Wont be a great game but a decent game.

But then it goes back to reality. I liked 3 throws out of his 5 completions. But you saw struggles with him finding players open like Wentz and had to take off with his legs. 5 completed passes out of 18/19 pass plays called. His benefit is his legs. He has more of chance at a bigger gain on the ground when He cant find a rec and the pocket breaks down. But like the Ravens and Jackson, teams will get tape and figure a way to stop it. 

It is not just the coaching! Wentz regressed. There is no question that Hurts is a rookie....but He also has strengths. Besides running, an ability to roll out of the pocket to extend the plays and deathly accurate touch on the fade ball. If the Eagles receivers did not drop so many balls, his stats would be a lot better. It is what it is. I am glad to see Hurts and more youth contributing.

1 hour ago, rstarter said:

Maybe I'm him, or maybe I'm not. It's one or the other.

It's been years since I've been on the boards, and despite my non-consumption of NFL games I'm a sucker for QB controversy. So here I am, watching people as they trade opinions on who should be the guy. It takes me back tbh.

It's curiosity that led me to this thread and I was surprised by what seemed to be a protraction of the Carr discussion. Let it go guys lol. 

 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

We aren't talking about Carson Wentz.

Jesus Christ you guys that hate his guys have his name in your mouth more than anyone.

Actually my original quote mentioned both players. You stuck your nose in it to rip Hurts. I have consistently discussed both players. If you didn’t want to talk about Wentz then go bash Hurts with your other crybaby buddies. 

I don't know what to think of Hurts. I just hope he uses his legs for the easy yards when they're there and possibly looks up field for open WRs while he's scrambling. I saw some good and bad from him on Sunday. Getting his "feet wet" on Sunday may take some anxiety aaway. If teams have to game plan for his scrambling, that's not a bad thing. 

I'm an Eagles fan, whoever is out there I want them to excel. 

44 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

I don't know what to think of Hurts. I just hope he uses his legs for the easy yards when they're there and possibly looks up field for open WRs while he's scrambling. I saw some good and bad from him on Sunday. Getting his "feet wet" on Sunday may take some anxiety aaway. If teams have to game plan for his scrambling, that's not a bad thing. 

I'm an Eagles fan, whoever is out there I want them to excel. 

You will know what to think Sunday.  That the point of doing this and seeing what they have.  We’ve see the best Carson. It’s rare.  Last known sighting was in 2017.  Now let’s hope the best hurts is better and shows up more often 

13 hours ago, flyerdog said:

scan youtube for a clip of Rex Ryan on Carson...and the Info is not encouraging...Ryan basically states (based on his inside sources) that Carson is a "know it all" and doesn't think he needs to better himself because he thinks he is already "there"...he also adds that Carson is quick to blame others, and holds a sense of entitlement.....but I suppose the true test would be to see what happens if Carson takes a cheap shot...would his team defend him as when Foles took a cheap shot in the WASH game...and JP (and the rest of the O Line) went after the guy and tried to take his head off....

Regardless of who said it, it's just all so believable. The whole situation has reeked of arrogance and entitlement for awhile now.

Don’t like Wentz due to his play since week 2 this year, done with him. That being said I don’t believe any of the bs about him being arrogant, blames others, bad teammate etc. I don’t know what exactly happened, probably a combo of things starting with the online week one making him gunshy, his mechanics, hero ball etc.

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Don’t like Wentz due to his play since week 2 this year, done with him. That being said I don’t believe any of the bs about him being arrogant, blames others, bad teammate etc. I don’t know what exactly happened, probably a combo of things starting with the online week one making him gunshy, his mechanics, hero ball etc.

I don't know bud. There's been reports since 2016 when Wentz was drafted that he thinks he knows best. That's arrogance if he won't listen to others because he thinks he knows best. I agree though that I can't see him being the kind of team mate who blames  others or calls others out. 

6 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

This 1000 percent. He always frustrated me so much. He also had one of the most skilled teams in history and still couldn't win a championship. (He got benched at halftime losing). Tua the Freshman had to bail him out. Teams just start paying him and make him be a pocket passer and he's not. 

 

Punk ass QB making it to the National Championship game, he ain't no FCS Div 1 Championship winner like Carson, Easton Stick, Trey Lance or <checks notes> Brock Jensen. 

North Dakota State have walked the FCS Division 1, 8 times out of 9 since 2010, they've lost 8 games in 10 years and you're accusing Hurts of being carried by Alabama and Oklahoma?

3 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Regardless of who said it, it's just all so believable. The whole situation has reeked pf arrogance and entitlement for awhile now.

Like after the Super Bowl, when he said:  "That will be me next year!"  instead of being happy for his friend and team mate, who played a game for the ages.

 

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Punk ass QB making it to the National Championship game, he ain't no FCS Div 1 Championship winner like Carson

With that Alabama team you could stumble into one. All time team. And at least Carson was able to finish his game, instead of having to have a freshmen come in to fix his mess.

11 hours ago, Swoop said:

Jalen Hurts is a one read QB and then will take off to run. Jalen Hurts makes bone headed decisions. Jalen Hurts has poor mechanics. He does not have a great arm (that's not to say it's bad, but he floats passes). A lot of his completions in college were to wide open receivers. When he was forced to through passes into tight windows he struggled. When he faced an actual defense in college, he was terrible.

I wanted absolutely no part of Hurts in any round. I have always felt he was a bum who was propped up by a good team/offense. Turn the YouTube highlight videos off and actually watch him play good teams/defenses in college. 

I truly hope he shuts me up. I truly hope he's the next Wilson. I hope he goes 4-0, wins the division and carries us right to winning the Super Bowl, but he won't. I have zero faith in him long term.

 

Yeah because no QB has ever gotten better once he started being coached by NFL coaches...

Hurts may end up sucking, but we have no clue how far he’s come by practicing and being in an environment with NFL coaches. You can talk all you want about how great of a coach Saban is and Hurts played for him, but that’s not the same. Even the great nick Saban was a sub-.500 NFL head coach. 
 

One thing that can’t be denied about Hurts since the day he was drafted is he WANTS to learn and be the best player he can. You could see it all throughout the season. Any time they show him on the sidelines, he’s standing near the coaches listening and soaking up all he can. I’ve noted all season long that whenever there’s a timeout or a drive is about to start when Pederson is talking to Wentz on the sideline, Hurts is right there listening and learning. The kid gives the impression that he WANTS to learn. That’s enough for me to want to give him a shot and see how much he is learning and improving. 

I love how so many of you are so damn sure of what kind of player Hurts is going to be.  Like with any other new, young player, give the kid a chance.  

Speaking of Hurts, I have to wonder, if he does play more than just fairly well for the remainder of the season, does that buy Howie more time (IF he is on the hotseat ... big if)?  Does Lurie consider it a genius move to land Hurts, considering how poorly Wentz played (completely ignoring the fact that Howie never should have paid him as a top 5 QB just prior to taking Hurts)?  

8 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I love how so many of you are so damn sure of what kind of player Hurts is going to be.  Like with any other new, young player, give the kid a chance.  

Speaking of Hurts, I have to wonder, if he does play more than just fairly well for the remainder of the season, does that buy Howie more time (IF he is on the hotseat ... big if)?  Does Lurie consider it a genius move to land Hurts, considering how poorly Wentz played (completely ignoring the fact that Howie never should have paid him as a top 5 QB just prior to taking Hurts)?  

I don't even think Roseman is on the hotseat..That is just people here wanting him gone. I can see DP or Wentz gone, but not him.

Say what you want about Howie, he ended up doing something I was pushing for in 2014, though the circumstances are different given Foles was coming off a 29-2 season. If he had doubts about #11, then his actions were nothing if not prudent.

From the outside, I wonder if Eagles fans believe the team would've been better off drafting another offensive weapon instead of drafting Hurts. But where would that leave the team at a point such as this where your starter is struggling? 

3 minutes ago, rstarter said:

Say what you want about Howie, he ended up doing something I was pushing for in 2014, though the circumstances are different given Foles was coming off a 29-2 season. If he had doubts about #11, then his actions were nothing if not prudent.

From the outside, I wonder if Eagles fans believe the team would've been better off drafting another offensive weapon instead of drafting Hurts. But where would that leave the team at a point such as this where your starter is struggling? 

IF the FO decides they are just going to cut bait and move on from Wentz, then our early pick could be used on a weapon like Chase since (assuming) they wouldn't use it on a QB (but with Howie, who knows?!?!).  

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

IF the FO decides they are just going to cut bait and move on from Wentz, then our early pick could be used on a weapon like Chase since (assuming) they wouldn't use it on a QB (but with Howie, who knows?!?!).  

It could be used on a weapon. It could be used to bolster the OL I guess? Could be used to give the defense a young stud talent? I guess the problem is there are so many holes on this team. 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It could be used on a weapon. It could be used to bolster the OL I guess? Could be used to give the defense a young stud talent? I guess the problem is there are so many holes on this team. 

True that.  I was only responding to the remark about drafting another offensive weapon instead of Hurts this year - I was merely pointing out we can still do that this next draft (and also have Hurts potentially as our future QB ... and on a cheaper rookie deal which will be of tremendous help cap wise to add players around him).  

 

58 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I love how so many of you are so damn sure of what kind of player Hurts is going to be.  Like with any other new, young player, give the kid a chance.  

Speaking of Hurts, I have to wonder, if he does play more than just fairly well for the remainder of the season, does that buy Howie more time (IF he is on the hotseat ... big if)?  Does Lurie consider it a genius move to land Hurts, considering how poorly Wentz played (completely ignoring the fact that Howie never should have paid him as a top 5 QB just prior to taking Hurts)?  

I sure do hope all the other mistakes overshadow if Hurts pans out. Howie still did pay Jackson, Jeffery, and Wentz. His moves have made 2021 and 2022 a cap nightmare. His drafts have been mediocre at best. Hurts playing well shouldn’t save his job. If anything it should save Pederson’s and that’s about it.