2 hours ago, Infam said:

Accuracy is fine. If we get the drops under control this non-issue is fixed. Decision making is really up and down, agreed. I think that will get better with more experience.

His accuracy is not fine. Basically anything over 20 yards is horribly under-thrown, and his accuracy on the intermediate stuff is spotty as well. 

4 hours ago, Damanick10 said:

Give Hurts one more year to see how he improves. So far he can make some good plays, and is great with the run game and making splash runs from the pocket. He severely limits the offense though when it comes to finding open receivers and delivering consistent accurate balls with some velocity. If he can improve with this then we may have something. Decision making should hopefully improve more with time, but the accuracy will take a lot of work.

Bang on

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This team had the potential to do more than the 18-19 teams. Frankly both of those teams were at some point 5-7 and won a bunch of games against bad divisional opponents. This team will likely have to face a good Cowboys team with something to play for. I still don’t get why it upsets you the Eagles have an opportunity to go to the playoffs thanks to another wildcard spot. It’s not like that spot is exclusive to the Eagles in any way so there is no difference in competitive advantage. You play the team the NFL schedules you to play. The NFL chose to have divisional opponents fight it out at the end of seasons. It make no sense as to why this bothers anyone now. And you can argue that Smith makes this team better, but let’s not kid ourselves, because the Eagles receiver position isn’t that much better than it was last year, and their offensive line has had multiple players in and out of the lineup this year too. Every starter, but Kelce has missed at least a game and every starter has missed parts of games. They were on their 4th and 5th string guards against Washington last week. This team was 2-5 at one point and fought their way back into this thing. Yeah they’re beating bad team late (just like their predecessor teams did as well), but they’re also blowing out these teams too which means they’re improving. 

Who the F said I was upset? I’m more than happy and enjoying the ride. I think we will make the playoffs and said this a month ago as well - that’s awesome. I want Hurts to be the answer at QB - I’m just not sure either way on that one yet.

I just like being measured, keeping perspective and acknowledging what I’m seeing as being part of the reason for our success. If you can’t see Smith is miles and miles better at WR than anything we have had at receiver the last two years or that OL depth improved significantly this year (and that’s the point of depth - we can withstand missed games much better now), I don’t know what to tell you. 

34 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Who the F said I was upset? I’m more than happy and enjoying the ride. I think we will make the playoffs and said this a month ago as well - that’s awesome. I want Hurts to be the answer at QB - I’m just not sure either way on that one yet.

I just like being measured, keeping perspective and acknowledging what I’m seeing as being part of the reason for our success. If you can’t see Smith is miles and miles better at WR than anything we have had at receiver the last two years or that OL depth improved significantly this year (and that’s the point of depth - we can withstand missed games much better now), I don’t know what to tell you. 

People around here were saying that Fulgham was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I certainly believe Smith is better, but the Eagles aren’t measurable better than the team the were last year. According to some the quarterback is significantly worse so how can they be better with a worse quarterback? Frankly I don’t know if Hurts is the answer. It’s too early to tell, but he’s got the Eagles in a playoff hunt. It’s still the same team with mostly a bunch of rookies. If Hurts sucks then the team should too. 

20 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

People around here were saying that Fulgham was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I certainly believe Smith is better, but the Eagles aren’t measurable better than the team the were last year. According to some the quarterback is significantly worse so how can they be better with a worse quarterback? Frankly I don’t know if Hurts is the answer. It’s too early to tell, but he’s got the Eagles in a playoff hunt. It’s still the same team with mostly a bunch of rookies. If Hurts sucks then the team should too. 

Fulgham had a decent 3 game stretch and is back on the street now for a reason.

My view is the team and offense is measurably better last year in areas other than QB (OL depth and Smith being the key). QB was clear an issue last year with Wentz having his weird confidence or whatever issues, But its still not a strength of the team - the running game is. Hurts in my view has been somewhere around the 20th best QB. You can certainly do a lot worse than him. He has been OK, not being asked to do too much and isn't losing us games but I also think he has limitation and isn't the primary reason for our success either (Redskins and Falcons games aside). But he is young and playing well enough to stay on the field and earn himself more time to improve. 

16 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Fulgham had a decent 3 game stretch and is back on the street now for a reason.

My view is the team and offense is measurably better last year in areas other than QB (OL depth and Smith being the key). QB was clear an issue last year with Wentz having his weird confidence or whatever issues, But its still not a strength of the team - the running game is. Hurts in my view has been somewhere around the 20th best QB. You can certainly do a lot worse than him. He has been OK, not being asked to do too much and isn't losing us games but I also think he has limitation and isn't the primary reason for our success either (Redskins and Falcons games aside). But he is young and playing well enough to stay on the field and earn himself more time to improve. 

Well put. My issue with the hurts haters is they seem to be convinced that the guy can’t improve. A lot of young QBs improve after their first year. 
 

If Hurts is currently good enough after 16 or whatever games he’s played to get this team into the playoffs, why would you not want to see if he can improve? 

36 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Well put. My issue with the hurts haters is they seem to be convinced that the guy can’t improve. A lot of young QBs improve after their first year. 
 

If Hurts is currently good enough after 16 or whatever games he’s played to get this team into the playoffs, why would you not want to see if he can improve? 

I think it’s because he is confusing and there isn’t a precedent like him. 

Generally successful QBs who can run and have gone onto have success (Jackson, Allen, Vick etc) had weaknesses while young in the passing game as well but they were all flashing a lot of arm talent because they had cannons.

Hurts doesn’t have that arm. Guys with his sort of arm who have generally been successful do so by superior understanding of reading defences, working through reads, accuracy etc (think Brees)

Hurts is somewhere in the middle of the two groups - he adds a lot with his ability to run that is quite rare but his long term success will depend on those softer passing skills to overcome the arm talent. Those areas aren’t really things he does well right now but he has probably bought himself some time to prove he can better in those areas. 

2 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Well put. My issue with the hurts haters is they seem to be convinced that the guy can’t improve. A lot of young QBs improve after their first year. 
 

If Hurts is currently good enough after 16 or whatever games he’s played to get this team into the playoffs, why would you not want to see if he can improve? 

What bothers me about Hurts is that he is NOT getting better at reading a defense. He just can't do it. It's one and run. That's not good enough to be a #1 QB. He MUST improve in that area. He has had enough time to show improvement, but hasn't. That is a real problem. He won't beat a good team, that's for sure.

12 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Where else would all three go?

DEN is a great roster, so that's 1 better.

Fins might be out of the sweepstakes due to Tua's resurgence.

Both NY teams are out.

CAR is a clown show.

NO doesn't have the picks or the cap space.

PIT doesn't have the picks and their O-line is terrible.

The players would stay put where they are,   Why exactly haven't the Texans played Watson this year?  Isn't there some sort of suspension due or not due?  If you try to play him,  the NFL suspends him,  that's fine,  getting that suspension over and done with.   Why isn't he playing?  Is he hurt?   Is he suspended?   Wasn't Watson 4-12 with the Texans last year?  

On 12/26/2021 at 6:03 PM, eagle45 said:

I root for our offense to have a passing game.  That means rooting for our idiotic management to have it thrown in their face that Hurts is horrible.

Didn't care when McNabb was good for a screen or worm burner. 

3 hours ago, Talonblood said:

What bothers me about Hurts is that he is NOT getting better at reading a defense. He just can't do it. It's one and run. That's not good enough to be a #1 QB. He MUST improve in that area. He has had enough time to show improvement, but hasn't. That is a real problem. He won't beat a good team, that's for sure.

If the Eagles want to crank the rushing wheel to 11, the Eagles can win that way.  Use the SuperWeapons. 

There are vast areas that can be filled with run innovations using players the Eagles are starting to use outside their OL places, plus Tyree Jackson.    When the Eagles have 3 TEs blocking, the run game goes very well.   Take it to 11,  cut down on the number of short/fast WRs on the field at the same time,  and just use the extra TEs, and/or Mailata and/or Lane  to extend the run blocking dominance.    The Eagles 5 are wiping out the other guys 5,  put, 5, 6 ,7, 8 whatever out there to win their block handily and whoever is there to run,  Jalen Hurts, whoever else,  well.  There are many players who could be used doing this stuff, probably.  

7 hours ago, Talonblood said:

What bothers me about Hurts is that he is NOT getting better at reading a defense. He just can't do it. It's one and run. That's not good enough to be a #1 QB. He MUST improve in that area. He has had enough time to show improvement, but hasn't. That is a real problem. He won't beat a good team, that's for sure.

Idk I'd have to disagree. I have seen him stand in the pocket and go through progressions and make some nice throws these last few weeks. I have most definitely seen an improvement in that area since week 1.

8 hours ago, Talonblood said:

What bothers me about Hurts is that he is NOT getting better at reading a defense. He just can't do it. It's one and run. That's not good enough to be a #1 QB. He MUST improve in that area. He has had enough time to show improvement, but hasn't. That is a real problem. He won't beat a good team, that's for sure.

First, his issue isn't "reading the defense." It's more about seeing what develops after the snap. Still, these are things that improve over time. QBs don't just get significantly better after just a couple games. It's a maturing process that takes a few seasons. While coaches are developing those areas with a QB, it's important to put the QB in a position to succeed each week. 

I dunno guys, I look around the league at dudes like Tua, Baker, Darnold & Crappopolo, all guys with more fanfare that are getting long looks as franchise Qb's.  They all do the same inconsistent stuff Hurts does as a passer and they DON'T have the 50+/yds game rushing capabilities or the leadership skills.   Of all those guys the one most worth developing is Hurts.  He's a young guy you have to develop but you can with him in the meantime, he's cheap, and if the time comes when you actually feel like he is holding back a SB contender, don't worry, one thing Howie does well is go out and get "that guy".

12 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I dunno guys, I look around the league at dudes like Tua, Baker, Darnold & Crappopolo, all guys with more fanfare that are getting long looks as franchise Qb's.  They all do the same inconsistent stuff Hurts does as a passer and they DON'T have the 50+/yds game rushing capabilities or the leadership skills.   Of all those guys the one most worth developing is Hurts.  He's a young guy you have to develop but you can with him in the meantime, he's cheap, and if the time comes when you actually feel like he is holding back a SB contender, don't worry, one thing Howie does well is go out and get "that guy".

The chances of any of them, combined, hoisting a Lombardi are 0.  Why do you want to join the purgatory club?

When the best thing you can say about your own qb is a list of bad qbs and Kirk Cousins’ record, it means you need a new qb.

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The chances of any of them, combined, hoisting a Lombardi are 0.  Why do you want to join the purgatory club?

Crappopolo was like 2 bad passes away from winning the SB.  I think Hurts is better than Crappopolo.  Tom Brady has polluted people's thinking, you absolutely can win SB's with good not great Qb's and great Qb's guarantee 1 Sb at best and you can spend decades trying to find one.  Rodgers , Wilson, Brees and Roth, like 70+ years of starting Qb and 4/6 best Qb's since turn of the century and they got 4 rings between them.  That's the same amount of rings as the quartet of Eli, Foles, Brad Johnson and Flacco.  Hell, Peyton manning won 1 SB.  The corpse of Peyton Manning also won 1 SB.

 

 

16 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Jets are not in play, they will stick with their own Wilson.

Mara family doesn't play games like that, they wanted it out there that Judge/Jones would be back, they will be.

I get it, I think a lot of fans don't want Wilson, I'm not mad at that.

Also don’t write off the Dolphins to be in the mix if you aren’t writing off the Eagles too. They have a better defense than the Eagles, it’s Miami, and they’re not enamored with their quarterback situation either. They also have cap space and could easily think they’re just a quarterback away from contending too. There’s been far more smoke coming from them not being happy with their quarterback situation than even the Eagles. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Also don’t write off the Dolphins to be in the mix if you aren’t writing off the Eagles too. They have a better defense than the Eagles, it’s Miami, and they’re not enamored with their quarterback situation either. They also have cap space and could easily think they’re just a quarterback away from contending too. There’s been far more smoke coming from them not being happy with their quarterback situation than even the Eagles. 

I agree, Fins could be in the mix, but I think they target Watson again.

They have improved with Tua in the 2nd half so there is a slightly increased possibility that they stick with him, but yeah can't pencil them out of the sweapstakes.

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Also don’t write off the Dolphins to be in the mix if you aren’t writing off the Eagles too. They have a better defense than the Eagles, it’s Miami, and they’re not enamored with their quarterback situation either. They also have cap space and could easily think they’re just a quarterback away from contending too. There’s been far more smoke coming from them not being happy with their quarterback situation than even the Eagles. 

I think the dolphins position has changed. Tua has really turned it on the last 3-4 weeks. I mean they may want more but, I think a lot rides on how Tua finishes the season

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I think the dolphins position has changed. Tua has really turned it on the last 3-4 weeks. I mean they may want more but, I think a lot rides on how Tua finishes the season

Sounds about the same for the Eagles, but the players mentioned certainly have a better chance ending up there than Philly, because they would prefer to go there. 

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I agree, Fins could be in the mix, but I think they target Watson again.

They have improved with Tua in the 2nd half so there is a slightly increased possibility that they stick with him, but yeah can't pencil them out of the sweapstakes.

In the end it’s two guys who are available (I highly doubt the Packers let Rodgers go anytime soon), but there are a lot of quarterback starved teams. 

15 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Also don’t write off the Dolphins to be in the mix if you aren’t writing off the Eagles too. They have a better defense than the Eagles, it’s Miami, and they’re not enamored with their quarterback situation either. They also have cap space and could easily think they’re just a quarterback away from contending too. There’s been far more smoke coming from them not being happy with their quarterback situation than even the Eagles. 

Tua sucks sweaty trucker balls.  I can't believe this guy was such a darling for the wannabe scouting crowd.  Miami's formula has been scoring 15 pts behind dinks and dunks and letting Flores' red hot D dominate a string of awful offenses.

2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Tua sucks.  I can't believe this guy was such a darling for the wannabe scouting crowd.  Miami's formula has been scoring 15 pts behind dinks and dunks and letting Flores' red hot D dominate a string of awful offenses.

Most of the alleged quarterbacks who want out of their situations have Miami as one of their preferred destinations as well. Two of those guys (Watson and Wilson) we know have NTCs, so they basically decide where they go. Watson seems destined for Miami, but we will see. 

18 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

In the end it’s two guys who are available (I highly doubt the Packers let Rodgers go anytime soon), but there are a lot of quarterback starved teams. 

I wouldn't call case closed on Rodgers just yet.  i still give the Pack a good 50% chance they muck it up in the NFCCG again and then he'll be pointing those fingers like the bish he is.

2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I wouldn't call case closed on Rodgers just yet.  i still give the Pack a good 50% chance they muck it up in the NFCCG again and then he'll be pointing those fingers like the bish he is.

Last two years he’s been playing at such a high level though. If Adams walks he could want out though.